Teachers to Boycott After School Programs

FAST

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Teachers have now cancelled parent/teacher nights. Have to meet the teacher during the day.
No problem,...have the meetings between 3:30 and 5:00,...then the teachers can leave when the majority of working peaple do,...instead of at 3:30 !!!

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No problem,...have the meetings between 3:30 and 5:00,...then the teachers can leave when the majority of working peaple do,...instead of at 3:30 !!!

FAST
Nope, they need that time for lesson prep. Although Euclidean Geometry hasn't changed in thousands of years and many teachers have been teaching it for decades, they need sufficient time to develop their lesson plans. It's in the contract...
 

FAST

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Nope, they need that time for lesson prep. Although Euclidean Geometry hasn't changed in thousands of years and many teachers have been teaching it for decades, they need sufficient time to develop their lesson plans. It's in the contract...
YEP,...just typical of ALL unions, they still think that being unproductive is good for....OH wait... its only good for them !!!

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GameBoy27

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No problem,...have the meetings between 3:30 and 5:00,...then the teachers can leave when the majority of working peaple do,...instead of at 3:30 !!!

FAST
Nope, they need that time for lesson prep. Although Euclidean Geometry hasn't changed in thousands of years and many teachers have been teaching it for decades, they need sufficient time to develop their lesson plans. It's in the contract...
If that's the case then why are so many teachers out the door at 3:30 everyday?
 

GameBoy27

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Most teachers aren't out the door at 330
I'm curious where you get this from?
From a friend who's a Principal at a Toronto school who watches teachers heading out the door on the security monitors at 3:30 everyday, that`s who. He says they even beat the student`s out the door half the time.
 

JohnLarue

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Oh relax john if you use advanced search you can look for all threads started by the person of your choice. Reading the titles takes secondes. Don't worry a mere few minutes was invested in looking up your posting habits. Context is important, looking at your posting habits tells us a lot about you. Combine that with the insults your are so comfortable flinging shows that this is not just about hte taxes as your like to claim.
Context?
Posting habits tells us a lot about you?
Thats rich coming from someone who blatantly misrepresented himself.

Searching for dirt on someone is low
I guess that is what simpletons do when they have been outwitted


Use whatever adjectives you want because it really doesn't bother me. In fact I think it helps to highlight your character or lack there of so keep it up. And it also helps to highlight your insistance on making this a personal topic.
And exactly what does misrepresenting yourself as a Teacher for a number of years say about your character Frank?
I may be a lot of things, but my integrity and honesty are above question
Unfortunately you will have to find a new board to haunt in order to make that claim

If you want to call your poll 83% of the general population you would be wrong.
It is a far better proxy than your opinion

Do you think the general population is as accepting of prostitution as us? So how can you assume that the views of terbites reflects the general population? Terbites also tend to be people who can afford a fairly expensive hobby so again their views might not reflect the average joe which you love to champion.
But you can not prove this sample does not represent the general population and it is certainly a better indicator than your obviously biased opinion

This is just basics of sampling, bias and survey taking.
If you had clue one about statistics you could have made a much better attempt at downplaying the significance of the results.
However you appear to have the same lack of understanding on that subject as you do wrt business, finance & education

There are biases in that you should have posted the question without your preamble. Proper surveys ask people just hte question and that's it.
I suppose you think people should make uninformed decisions when it comes to a serious matter as taking away salary or benefits?
Your preference is the general public not be totally aware of the magnitude of teachers outrageous compensation
You would just as soon slide one on by them when they are not looking, sort of like how you tied teacher compensation to the tax increase and then latter claimed it was for the deficit

But then again this is the same person who meets a few teachers at a cottage and assumes that all teachers can afford cottages.
Come on Frank, thats is a grade three level comment
I never said all teachers have cottages
However I have met more than a few who do own them
Jesus if you make $83K a year and your spouse makes a decent income a cottage is affordable
Two teachers together @ 83K a year could afford a magnificent cottage.

Two average taxpayers (46K) in Ont, unfortunate can not afford a cottage and to be honest with can ill afford another 2% on every purchase they make.

I wonder how much though you gave to the impact of a 2% HST increase would have on the average family?

My guess is you did not give it any consideration because you have an agenda

Given you lied about being a teacher, I do not believe that crapola about the MPA, turned teacher
for someone who is so blatantly biased on this issue, I would not be surprised if you have a financial interest in teachers maintaining the status quo
But since you misrepresented yourself wrt your occupation already, there will always be some doubt regardless of what you claim you do for a living.
For the record I do not want to know either
a) it is none of my business
b) I would not believe you

If you want to say 83% of the terbites that responded to your poll feel that way that's fine but to assume that the general population will vote the same way is not realistic.
It will work well until proven wrong and it is a far better proxy than your biased opinion

Lets see, I have a choice between believing what and unbiased poll of a group of people who work and pay taxes or I should believe the opinion of a self admitted liar with an obvious agenda
Difficult choice! NOT!!!!!

It is a moot point Frank
No politician is going to implement your abomination

If you don't like my posts you're welcome to put me on ignore as well. But thanks for all the advice about what I should or shouldn t say or who I should ignore.
Believe me you are not too far away from joining Woodpecker & Fuji
Nice company you keep

You would do well to take the advice to stay on topic and avoid searching for dirt to discredit someone when you lose a debate to them.
That is slimy
You will never gain my respect, however you should try and at least maintain a certain level of self-respect
 

frankcastle

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John,

Considering this is an anonymous board with people who regularly lie and pretend to be something else pretending to be a teacher is low on the scale of things that people give a shit about. Notice not one other person has posted a single comment with regards to that. Because, either they are classier than you or they just don't care. Or maybe, just maybe they are smarter than you and whether or not I was a teacher made no difference in the way they think.

Again, you can't say that anything I said about teachers is wrong. And you are welcome to challenge those comments, so is the rest of terb. No one has disputed ANY of the information I have provided about what teaching is like. And if you want to trace the history of my "lie" it would go back years ago, and if memory serves me correct you wouldn't have even known I was a teacher till someone else pointed it out (Capital Guy maybe). Once you learned that tidbit you were happy as a pig in shit to continually use that to fling shit. So please don't tell me about your integrity as personal attacks is not really the type of conduct from someone with integrity. You chose to make this a personal argument. But yeah somehow 35 mainly male hobbiests out of 115K is supposed to be representative of the general population?

And yes posting habits mean something here. It shows that you have a major beef with unions in general. It's almost exclusively what you have started threads about for the last three years.

Guys like FAST and Capital Guy while not shy about their opinions and certainly on the anti teacher side don't spend their time doing that.

As for your "poll" it's not a matter of "until we have a better one" yours stands. That's not how things work. Polls are either biased and thus ignored or unbaised. Your sample group is biased in that it is people who support prostitution and have the money to hobby not to mention largely male (that's a certain slice of the pop) and your poll is biased thanks to your preamble (proper polls ask just the question). No polling group would do what you did unless they wanted to waste their money and have their work thrown out.

Even your cottage statement is messed up. You said you met a more than a few while you were at the cottage (well there are 300K teachers..... working and retired, so what percent does that make). Well of coures in the summer time in cottage country you are going to run into what seems like more teachers with cottages. If you stood in the lobby of a MP you'd meet a lot of hobbiests. Or spend time at a Audi dealership and you'd think a lot of people drive Audis. You don't know them well enough if they are affording the cottage thanks to their job, their spouse's job, money from their family, side businesses, or sacrifices (some people love cottaging so much that they find ways to save money to be able to afford it..... be it a cheaper home in the city to afford the cottage in the country). Even if they could afford cottages who cares? If my kids are getting a good education then that's all that's important to me. I'd be much more inclined to care about changes that would imrpove education rather than the salary. In recent memory we were able to pay teachers and all gov workers with a balanced budget..... revenue is down so I'm more interested in can we find ways to improve revenue and the economy rather than cut costs.

But like most of your points. You just use the juvenile approach of "I'm right, your wrong" repeatedly. Somehow you are the man of integrity here?!???!!! IF that were the case then we wouldn't see all the personal attacks and the thinly veiled hate that you have for unions. No question some people agree with your feelings they just happen to go about it in a better way.

Put me on ignore. Like I'm supposed to care that you've chosen to ignore a few other terbites. But again this just demonstrates your poor understanding of what I would care about.

Plus we know you won't put me on ignore. You need me. Who are you going to argue with? IF you weren't enjoying this you wouldn't keep posting.... or you would have ignored me. Seeing as you've done neither. Looks like I'm right.
 

frankcastle

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From a friend who's a Principal at a Toronto school who watches teachers heading out the door on the security monitors at 3:30 everyday, that`s who. He says they even beat the student`s out the door half the time.
Contractually they are only supposed to be there shortly before and after school starts and ends. Does he know if they take work home with them? Whether they mark or prep at home or at school or make phone calls from home or send emails from home is something that he wouldn't know. A lot of women are teachers and have the ideal schedule for being able to leave work and pick up their own kids so I cant fault them for picking a job that lets them be a parent and earn good money at the same time. None of these things were a secret anybody who thinks it's so great is and was welcome to join them.
 

JohnLarue

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John,

Plus we know you won't put me on ignore. You need me. Who are you going to argue with? IF you weren't enjoying this you wouldn't keep posting.... or you would have ignored me. Seeing as you've done neither. Looks like I'm right.
Have it your way ass wipe. On ignore you go
You could not be more wrong
 

frankcastle

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Have it your way ass wipe. On ignore you go
You could not be more wrong
Puh-lease. I'm sure I'll have to hear more of his arguments that sum up as
1) insisting he is right
2) brushing off his ignorance as misquotes and inaccuracies
 

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Moving back to the main premise of the boycotting the after school programs. It would be reasonable IF non teachers were allowed to step in and do the coaching etc. But no, you have to have a teacher present which means that they are acting more like a dog in the manger. I suspect part of the issue for the school boards is the liability insurance, however when you structure a system that some paid employees must volunteer to coach or lead school clubs the expectation is that they volunteer there time as part of their duties.

Personally, the school boards might want to consider having all the extra curricular activities done by true volunteers perhaps by doing low cost leasing of their gyms, playing fields and the classrooms with true volunteers running the programs. That also put the onus on the parents and the community to step up and take responsibility for their child's activities. I understand in some places in the US, schools are a municipal asset rented by the boards but the community uses the schools or parts of the schools in the off hours.

It has irritated me for years that school gyms are empty most weekends or the cost of rental is prohibitive. Surely there is another way that we can structure the non school activities without the requirement of teachers being part of the equation. This doesn't mean that they can not volunteer, just like people who do so for summer soccer programs, hockey, etc but this would not be a bargaining chip for wage protests. It also means that some of the things that we take for granted that teachers provide now is the community/parents responsibility. Frankly, being a volunteer coach in the past, I see no reason why we can't give the kids the post school activities. It takes the will to do it by the Boards and the parents. It may even mean that similar to the good Samaritan laws, we will need to revisit how we establish liability for injuries and damage.

There is no need to beat up the teachers for having effective bargaining, although perhaps if we paid more attention at voting time we might have Board Members and MPPs that were willing to live with strikes and not back down instead of relying on Governments to legislate what we are collectively to afraid to deal with in the bargaining process. I know some wonderful committed teachers and some paycheck collectors. I would not choose to be a teacher and deal with the crap from inside the system and the children and their parents. I would happily coach certain sports and activities. It has been my fortune to be invited to speak to classes in my area of expertise. It is fun and challenging. Many employers would be thrilled to have their employees participate any of those activities for the benefit of the community. It helps to make the employers look good.

This is Ontario's opportunity to restructure how we deliver activities to our young. There are lots of excuses why we are not likely to see any action. It appears likely that communities would rather bitch than create solutions, especially ones that mean giving up power (a teacher must be present to use our facilities) and others must actually give back to the community by volunteering.
 
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