Teachers to Boycott After School Programs
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If the province thinks a hit to the teachers will turn the economy around, we really need to replace their economists.
The bullying is when the government tries to bypass labour laws and forgoe negotiations.
The bullying is looking to take away things that had been promised. In the collective bargaining agreement there's no caveat that says "you get the gratuity unless we take it away"
That's not entitlement, that's expecting to see a contract honoured.
Shows what you know about football. The reason most schools don't have it is they can't afford the upkeep. The kids pay for the equipment through fees plus fundraising. Their fees cover referees and equipment. Fields cost nothing as schools with teams typically have a home field. The cost of cutting the grass would happen regardless of if there was football, soccer or any other sport on the field. kids have the option of buying insurance but there's no extra insurance from the school. Only part the school pays for is the bus for away games and renting a yellow school bus is pretty cheap.
You really should stop. What you are doing is the good old slippery slope argument. So I'm just going to stop there.
Greed would be wanting more..... here they are fighting to keep what they were promised through contracts.
Actually, I'm not a teacher. I used to date a MPA who became a teacher and so I learned pretty much the ins and outs of the school system. Enough time has passed that I feel I can admit that whie the info I've shared is correct it's second hand information..... mind you I've actually read the collective bargaining agreement cover to cover because I was blown away by how good it is.
Proof of my objectivenss is the admission that cuts are likely to happen.
Once a teacher is paid that's really their money to do what they will with it. Be it cottages (which I still maintain they couldn't afford except for under special situations that I mentioned before....one of many topics you chose to drop).
As for screwing with students..... that is one school and their choice. Don't blow it out of proportion. There are over 150K teachers and 100 happen to be protesting this way. It;s their right to protest. It is not their obligation to do the extracurriculars. It's not in the contract. Again if you actually knew what you were talking about you'd know it's voluntary. Going back to football this is another reason why some schools don't have football as in addition to the cost that has to be generated independent of the school is the lack of coaches.
Overpaid is your opinion. Well paid absolutely.
the tax dollars of a tax increase would go to the deficit not teachers. Your a whiney bitch for not wanting to pay taxes that you used to pay. You forget that the tax drop from 15 to 13 was due to good economic times and you should understand that as a citizen when things go poorly you can't expect the same benefits as when things were good. It's the same arguement you used for teachers. So it should work for you as a taxpayer as well.
I proposed pay free plus tax increase so that the extra revenue could go towards knocking down the debt not pay teachers more.
The public already knows about the deficit, the sweet deal teachers have and work to rule has happened recently enough that none of this should be a surprise. If it was going to backfire I think the by election would have gone differently.
And there's been no whining so quit making shit up.
The bullying is looking to take away things that had been promised. In the collective bargaining agreement there's no caveat that says "you get the gratuity unless we take it away"
That's not entitlement, that's expecting to see a contract honoured.
Shows what you know about football. The reason most schools don't have it is they can't afford the upkeep. The kids pay for the equipment through fees plus fundraising. Their fees cover referees and equipment. Fields cost nothing as schools with teams typically have a home field. The cost of cutting the grass would happen regardless of if there was football, soccer or any other sport on the field. kids have the option of buying insurance but there's no extra insurance from the school. Only part the school pays for is the bus for away games and renting a yellow school bus is pretty cheap.
You really should stop. What you are doing is the good old slippery slope argument. So I'm just going to stop there.
Greed would be wanting more..... here they are fighting to keep what they were promised through contracts.
Actually, I'm not a teacher. I used to date a MPA who became a teacher and so I learned pretty much the ins and outs of the school system. Enough time has passed that I feel I can admit that whie the info I've shared is correct it's second hand information..... mind you I've actually read the collective bargaining agreement cover to cover because I was blown away by how good it is.
Proof of my objectivenss is the admission that cuts are likely to happen.
Once a teacher is paid that's really their money to do what they will with it. Be it cottages (which I still maintain they couldn't afford except for under special situations that I mentioned before....one of many topics you chose to drop).
As for screwing with students..... that is one school and their choice. Don't blow it out of proportion. There are over 150K teachers and 100 happen to be protesting this way. It;s their right to protest. It is not their obligation to do the extracurriculars. It's not in the contract. Again if you actually knew what you were talking about you'd know it's voluntary. Going back to football this is another reason why some schools don't have football as in addition to the cost that has to be generated independent of the school is the lack of coaches.
Overpaid is your opinion. Well paid absolutely.
the tax dollars of a tax increase would go to the deficit not teachers. Your a whiney bitch for not wanting to pay taxes that you used to pay. You forget that the tax drop from 15 to 13 was due to good economic times and you should understand that as a citizen when things go poorly you can't expect the same benefits as when things were good. It's the same arguement you used for teachers. So it should work for you as a taxpayer as well.
I proposed pay free plus tax increase so that the extra revenue could go towards knocking down the debt not pay teachers more.
The public already knows about the deficit, the sweet deal teachers have and work to rule has happened recently enough that none of this should be a surprise. If it was going to backfire I think the by election would have gone differently.
And there's been no whining so quit making shit up.
Since there are other ways to get the money for the deficit..... my answer to you is no.
you as the taxpayer don't want the burden so why teachers?
As you say the economy is not going to turn around any time soon
Tax increases are not going to fly
Therefore the only alternative is to get spending under control
Education spending is second only to Health care in provincial budget
So a "hit to teachers" is what is required here.
Other public service employees will also need to take a hit
The teachers contract just happens to be up at this point in time
Why not taxes then. You were still making ends meet at 15% instead of 13% hst
Again overcompensate is your opinion. There's no magic number of what a teacher is worth. So you can't say over.
They have all summer to negotiate a deal.
Oh yes , they were away at the cottage.
Things have changed
If I am not mistaken that contract has expired.
A new one is needed, hence the negociations..
Thanks for proving my point
They can not afford it because...... Teachers comp soaks up all the money available
Well if the teachers left some $ on the table...... But no
No Frank, You should stop as you are just proving my point
There will a lot of funding that will taken out of the education system if the comp costs are not corrected
This will hurt the students
No greed is demanding more than the counterpart can reasonably afford.
WTF ?
What am I suppose to say to that ?
Were you bullshitting before or are you now?
If they do not happen , a lot of really bad things will occur in about 5 years
What they do with their excess is no concern of mine
It is the excess that matters
How we got to place where a teacher makes 83 or 90K a year for 9 /12 months @ 4.5 hours of teaching / day just astounds me
Excuse me. I do not think so
That one school represents the entire lot
Again one can not have collective bargaining , yet expect to judged on a pick and choose basis
Teachers should know this school is representing them and muzzle them or stand behind them
You can not have it both ways
After-all the province only gets to negotiate with one group
What exactly are we receiving for 90K a year?
Give me a fucking break
So they choose to screw the students over trying to use them as leveage.
Can can anyone respect someone who does that?
Well paid is your opinion
Take a poll
As you say schools can not afford football yet we spend billions on education
The money is going where ???
To OVERPAID teachers
Kiss my ass you lying, decietful, son of a bitch. You have zero right to question and assume you know better when it comes to making a claim on any part of my wages. How dare you !!
You want to pay these parasites more, send them a cheque, do not expect me to dig deeper just because you fell for one of them.
Before you try and allocate a tax increase (now you are really in over your head), explain how we got into such a deficit position in the first place
No chance the big increase in teachers salaries up to 90K had anything to do this this madness
No way a tax increase will fly to ensure teachers keep this absurd level of comp
No, No and No again
Time will tell
The PS unions might be able to work a town like kitchener, but as soon as to public figures out morons like you want raise taxes to maintain the status quo for teachers. there might be a very solid shift to the right
Its a shame the PCs have such a weak leader or this would turn into a route
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watch the news.
There has been and will contiune to be whining
Just like teachers were making ends meet a few years ago on 65K
I can and will say they are grossly overcompensated
Any rational person would agree
This thread is just devolving into stupidity
Very few teachers work only 4.5 hours a day if you include lesson planning and preparation. I don`t know where you got that number. Clearly you`re not a teacher or you don`t know any teachers. They work hard, at least the majority of them do. It is not an easy job. As others have pointed out, you deal with parents, kids, administration, among others on a daily basis and it is stressful. Maybe it`s not worth 90k a year, but that`s not for you to decide. If I had kids, as long as they were getting a good education, I wouldn`t care how much their teachers made. Most teachers do not have cottages either, or if they do, the income`s from another source (family inheritance, stock market)
You need to stop blaming teachers for everything that is wrong with the province. I do think most teachers will recognize that cuts will be made, but to blame them for everything evil in the world is just ridiculous. You`ve posted literally hundreds of posts about how overpaid and generally shitty teachers are which is pretty ridiculous as well. Cuts will have to made everywhere, not just teachers. And again, the issue for most isn`t the cuts, but the government unilaterally taking away their ability to collective bargain. That is wrong, no matter how much you hate teachers.
By the way, do you have kids in the educational system John?
Very few teachers work only 4.5 hours a day if you include lesson planning and preparation. I don`t know where you got that number. Clearly you`re not a teacher or you don`t know any teachers. They work hard, at least the majority of them do. It is not an easy job. As others have pointed out, you deal with parents, kids, administration, among others on a daily basis and it is stressful. Maybe it`s not worth 90k a year, but that`s not for you to decide. If I had kids, as long as they were getting a good education, I wouldn`t care how much their teachers made. Most teachers do not have cottages either, or if they do, the income`s from another source (family inheritance, stock market)
You need to stop blaming teachers for everything that is wrong with the province. I do think most teachers will recognize that cuts will be made, but to blame them for everything evil in the world is just ridiculous. You`ve posted literally hundreds of posts about how overpaid and generally shitty teachers are which is pretty ridiculous as well. Cuts will have to made everywhere, not just teachers. And again, the issue for most isn`t the cuts, but the government unilaterally taking away their ability to collective bargain. That is wrong, no matter how much you hate teachers.
By the way, do you have kids in the educational system John?
it's clear John's feelings go well beyond that cuts need to be made. Because if that were the case he could express it with one sentense. But he feels the need to go on and add that they are overpaid, work 4.5h a day, 9.5 months of the year, and pulls out every tired old cliche like those who can't, teach etc etc etc.
He continues to talk about them being overpaid and how if 10 years ago they could make it on 65K then they should be able to do the same today. The growth in reality is close to or slightly above the rate of inflation. In fact a few tenths of a percent better than the national average. Why shouldn't a valued responsibility grow in that manner (average is between 2.4 to 2.7% from year to year..... teachers growth is 3%)? Keep in mind those were times of prosperity, the same times that the budget was balanced and dropping taxes to 13% hst were feasible. Now that those times are over, teachers are not asking for a rasie.
He refuses to see the violation of rights that took place in legislating the current conditions of the contract.
He continues to talk about them being overpaid and how if 10 years ago they could make it on 65K then they should be able to do the same today. The growth in reality is close to or slightly above the rate of inflation. In fact a few tenths of a percent better than the national average. Why shouldn't a valued responsibility grow in that manner (average is between 2.4 to 2.7% from year to year..... teachers growth is 3%)? Keep in mind those were times of prosperity, the same times that the budget was balanced and dropping taxes to 13% hst were feasible. Now that those times are over, teachers are not asking for a rasie.
He refuses to see the violation of rights that took place in legislating the current conditions of the contract.
I always find it interesting that right wingers scream about how unions are ruining Canada. You never hear them when the NHL union shut down the entire sport of hockey cause over paid babies on skates want more millions of dollars to play a fucking game for crying out loud.
Why is that righties?
Why is that righties?
And so are the teachers who refuse to show up for extracurricular programs!
So the answer is to use the kids as pawns and refuse to continue "volunteering" which they "volunteered" to do. I was listening to one student who's shot at a scholarship could be in jeopardy because teachers at his school have refused to show up for the extracurricular programs. Way to go teachers.
Well said.
The teachers have volunteered for these extracurricular programs which is the reason the kids are able to participate in them. The kids have every reason to expect these programs will continue. The fact that some teachers have decided to hang the kids out to dry because they have a beef with McGuinty just proves they're a bunch of spoiled little brats. Who are the real children?
Too many damn posts to read them all. There are two lesbos in their 50's who are in the "education" field living in our neighbourhood. Their combined salary is probably somewhere north of $300,000 and they get the Summer off. Plus, not long from now they will retire on a Cadillac pension plan and live to over 100 years old. No wonder the Province and Teachers Pension Plan are broke.
Actually, if you skip the war between frankcastle and JohnLarue there's only a handful of posts. lol
Wow 150k each what are they profs or superintendents cause teachers n principals don't make that.
Unfortunately kids are pawns just like teachers were for mcguinty in his attempt for a majority.
Problem here is that st this point stopping extracurricular s is useless as its now a matter for courts to decide if what the province did is legal.
But again the reality is that the stoppage of after school activities are st a handful of schools.
What activity was the kid counting on that a previous poster mentioned? they could compete at the community level instead.
Problem here is that st this point stopping extracurricular s is useless as its now a matter for courts to decide if what the province did is legal.
But again the reality is that the stoppage of after school activities are st a handful of schools.
What activity was the kid counting on that a previous poster mentioned? they could compete at the community level instead.
