Toronto Raptors have gone from Tanking to Spending . Raptors offseason

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Well that's clear as mud :)
I remember T-Mac when left the Raps and signed a max deal and Raps got a 1st round pic . Only in the NBA can a team like the Lakers who are way above the Cap when season ends and have the abilty to sign Steve Nash to a 27 million dollar contract and give nobody up on their roster ?
 

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Attiude problem, then it makes sense. He didn't play much in Chicago, came here and looked green but loved the effort, then last year was hot and cold. If he has an attitude he is a problem and get rid of him. To me trading him because of attitude makes more sense than clearing 2 million in cap space.
At the end of the season the Raps were starting D-League players ahead of Johnson and that may tell us that something was going on .

It got me thinking ... The draft pic we gave way for James Johnosn was part of the Chris Bosh trade and so after today we will have nothing to show
for Chris Bosh sign and trade .
 

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They are clearing 2.8 million dollars . This transaction has something to do with his attitude which I have read and the fact they need cap space cause of a transaction they are trying to do ( getting rid of Jose Calderon ) .
Source, please. Otherwise that's pretty much libelous, AB. ;)
 

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Source, please. Otherwise that's pretty much libelous, AB. ;)
Apr 04th

" Anderson got the start in place of James Johnson who was held out of the game by Dwane Casey for what both men are calling an “internal matter.”

Casey said the move was as much about getting a good look at Anderson as it was about sending a message to Johnson. Johnson, who politely declined to shed any more light on the situation


Saying that even DeRozan had a situation last year and losing seasons ( lottery bad seasons ) often causes bad situations . I didn't say his attitude got him traded but his attitude made him expendable . " attitude can also mean if his minutes or role got reduced would he adapt "
 

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Fuck, I don't know what Colangelo is doing this summer. Lowry seems a solid pickup, but reaching for Ross in a loaded draft was bad. And now trading a versatile athletic guy like Johnson for a 2nd while keeping dudes like Gray and Kleiza around? It's like he has to maintain a white boy quota of at least 5 so that he can sleep at night.
 

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Fuck, I don't know what Colangelo is doing this summer. Lowry seems a solid pickup, but reaching for Ross in a loaded draft was bad. And now trading a versatile athletic guy like Johnson for a 2nd while keeping dudes like Gray and Kleiza around? It's like he has to maintain a white boy quota of at least 5 so that he can sleep at night.
Yeah Ross seemed like a strange pick in some ways but then again

PG was going to be nash, lowry, or calderon
PF Andreas
C Jonas
SF =Klieza?
SG Derozan?

So you take a chance and draft someone for the SF or SG spot? If you are lucky maybe the draftee can fill either spot?

Anyways let's set what else colangelo has in store.
 

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Frankcastle I think when transactions like this occur it's more of a team taking 2.8 million dollars off another team and to make the salary's match a draft pic has to be put in the trade ( cause Raps taking no player or salary back ) . Heck the draft pic year isn't even determined which makes this pic even more obsecure . I will never understand this part of the NBA ? ie When Nash is traded to Lakers and the salary is 27 million ( 3 yrs ) and to make trade match a couple of draft pics are exchanged .
Picks have nothing do with the match. Zero.

The Nash deal was completed with a Traded Player Exemption the Lakers had. The Lakers received a TPE in the Lamar Odom deal that was completed right before last season. The Lakers gave up salary without taking any back, and were granted a TPE equal to the Odon salary. The TPE is good for 12 monhts, and allows you take back one player up to the amount of the exemption.

If the Lakers did not have the TPE, they would have had no way to acquire Nash unless the Suns were willing to take salary back that was within 125% of Nash's new contract.

The reason the Suns got all the picks is they still had leverage. The only way Nash could go to the Lakers was through a sign and trade for the TPE. Suns were not going to play a friendly for the Lakers wihthout at least getting some value.

The reason the Raptors received less for Bosh is that the Raptors had much less leverage. The Heat had cleared so much cap space last offseason, that Bosh could have signed with the Heat with free cap space -- making a sign and trade unnecessary. Only reason for the sign and trade was that he could get an extra year from the Raptors. So there was reason for the SnT but if BC did not want to co-operate Bosh could have simply told him to fuck off. The Suns and Nash were not in the same position.

The Johnson deal has nothing to do with either scenario above - he is not a free agent ,,, Simply put the Kings have cap space available and did not have to offer salary back in a deal.
 

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Picks have nothing do with the match. Zero.

The Nash deal was completed with a Traded Player Exemption the Lakers had. The Lakers received a TPE in the Lamar Odom deal that was completed right before last season. The Lakers gave up salary without taking any back, and were granted a TPE equal to the Odon salary. The TPE is good for 12 monhts, and allows you take back one player up to the amount of the exemption.

If the Lakers did not have the TPE, they would have had no way to acquire Nash unless the Suns were willing to take salary back that was within 125% of Nash's new contract.

The reason the Suns got all the picks is they still had leverage. The only way Nash could go to the Lakers was through a sign and trade for the TPE. Suns were not going to play a friendly for the Lakers wihthout at least getting some value.

The reason the Raptors received less for Bosh is that the Raptors had much less leverage. The Heat had cleared so much cap space last offseason, that Bosh could have signed with the Heat with free cap space -- making a sign and trade unnecessary. Only reason for the sign and trade was that he could get an extra year from the Raptors. So there was reason for the SnT but if BC did not want to co-operate Bosh could have simply told him to fuck off. The Suns and Nash were not in the same position.

The Johnson deal has nothing to do with either scenario above - he is not a free agent ,,, Simply put the Kings have cap space available and did not have to offer salary back in a deal.
I said " I think " and who knows ? So thanks for your post cause like I said I was guessing .
 

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Question ?

Is MLSE again showing how friggin cheap they are and how they aren't serious about winning ? Brian Burke only baried one contract ( Jeff Finger )
and why don't the Raps amnesty Jose Calderon ?? How many friggin free agents keep signing ( OJ Mayo for one and Brooks two yesterday ) which we could have signed with Jose's 8 million amnestied contract ????
 

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How many free agent pg's are out there that would be an upgrade? Still have to pay him minus the winning bid.
 

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How many free agent pg's are out there that would be an upgrade? Still have to pay him minus the winning bid.
Jose Calderon doesn't want to be a back up ? Couldn't the 9 million dollar in cap space be better used in getting a back up PG and another roster player ? This amnesty thing doesn't come around often and it will be another decade before another one is even allowed .
 

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Casey was on McCown's show yesterday.(McCown is on vacation for 2 weeks, Elliott Freidman hosting)
My take from the interview is Lowry and Jose are the PGs. Jose will be traded only if the right deal comes up.
Lowry and Fields bring toughness to the team that they lose with the trading of Johnson. (Not much else said about Johnson's departure).
Ross is a work in progress. According to Casey he has basketball smarts but need to work on his defensive skills as well as add strength.
It was a short interview as it was just prior to the game in LV.
 

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My first thought would have been that between Linus Kleiza and Johnson, the Raps elected to keep a sharp shooter, however Johnson shot better last year, he's much stronger going to the basket, he's a better shot blocker, better rebounder, more steals, and all year long the announcers remarked how he was improving month to month. I realize he did make mistakes, but like i said throughout the year he had an uncanny ability to make up for it with a block or steal on the very next play. They either were unable to unload Klieza, or the Raps really felt his injury hampered his performance and he will get better????...or they are still thinking of trading him...but not much product left on the market.
 

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My first thought would have been that between Linus Kleiza and Johnson, the Raps elected to keep a sharp shooter, however Johnson shot better last year, he's much stronger going to the basket, he's a better shot blocker, more steals, and all year long the announcers remarked how he was improving month to month. I realize he did make mistakes, but like i said throughout the year he had an uncanny ability to make up for it with a block or steal on the very next play. They either were unable to unload Klieza, or the Raps really felt his injury hampered his performance and he will get better????...or they are still thinking of trading him...but not much product left on the market.
Kleiza is presently a team mate of Jonas ( Raps Draft pic ) on their national team . If having Kleiza around can help with Jonas transition to the NBA then he will be an asset for the Raptors on and off the court .

On another note . Kris Humphries 2-year, $24 million deal with Nets totally guaranteed ... To think Humphries gets paid more then Bargs .
 

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Kleiza is presently a team mate of Jonas ( Raps Draft pic ) on their national team . If having Kleiza around can help with Jonas transition to the NBA then he will be an asset for the Raptors on and off the court .

Kleiza hasn't been much of an asset on the floor. In your opinion it is ok for the "friggin cheap" MLSE to pay Kleixa 4 plus million per year to babysit Jonas?

On another note . Kris Humphries 2-year, $24 million deal with Nets totally guaranteed ... To think Humphries gets paid more then Bargs .
they are both over paid
 

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they are both over paid
Who isn't overpaid ? Roy Hibbert signed a max deal ... Lin last year of his contract is 15 million dollars ... Nicolas Batum Four-Year, $46M ... Friggin Brook Lopez signed a max deal . Heck Scola was paid 21 million dollars to not play for the Rockets ... This summer the owners of the NBA have gone crazy on the chq book .
 

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Who isn't overpaid ? Roy Hibbert signed a max deal ... Lin last year of his contract is 15 million dollars ... Nicolas Batum Four-Year, $46M ... Friggin Brook Lopez signed a max deal . Heck Scola was paid 21 million dollars to not play for the Rockets ... This summer the owners of the NBA have gone crazy on the chq book .
I have never even been close to overpaid!!!!!!!!!
 

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If they don't amnesty Calderon I hope they amnesty Kleiza.. Unless Val's english is absolutely horrible.

Or maybe they'll trade Kleiza and a draft pick for cap space ;).
 
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