Will we ever find a cure for Cancer?
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Thats because there is no single cure for each cancer. Hydrogen peroxide is what cured my basal cell carcinoma, but that was only after I tried the iodine and apple cider vinegar first. They didnt work for me, but for other people they have worked.Understood, but it still isn't the whizz bang cure you would like to claim
The trick is to try each one until you find one that works best
I didn't read the whole thread but I am responding to title of the thread.
Will we find a cure to cancer? I think, yes. In fact, I think it'd be in in next 20 years or less (provided there is no war or any significant impediment to research).
What makes me think so? We've already made devices that are almost as small as a blood cell. Mechanical devices. AKA "nano devices". The reason it's so hard to cure cancer is because we do NOT know how to target and destroy cancer cells. Chemotherapy destroys ALL cells (cancer + healthy cells). We already know how to kill cancer cells. So, the problem is not killing cancer cells, the problem is targeting those specific cells (and leaving healthy cells unharmed). Curing cancer is quite simply a "drug delivery" problem. But once we get proficient in making these nano-devices that are smaller than blood-cells, we will figure out how to program them so they can go inside blood stream and specifically target and destroy cancer cells.
I think we are ALMOST there; we have already started making nanobots capable of entering blood stream and targeting some particular molecule. They are being tested on rats as of now. In couple of decades, we are likely to become very good at it.
Will we find a cure to cancer? I think, yes. In fact, I think it'd be in in next 20 years or less (provided there is no war or any significant impediment to research).
What makes me think so? We've already made devices that are almost as small as a blood cell. Mechanical devices. AKA "nano devices". The reason it's so hard to cure cancer is because we do NOT know how to target and destroy cancer cells. Chemotherapy destroys ALL cells (cancer + healthy cells). We already know how to kill cancer cells. So, the problem is not killing cancer cells, the problem is targeting those specific cells (and leaving healthy cells unharmed). Curing cancer is quite simply a "drug delivery" problem. But once we get proficient in making these nano-devices that are smaller than blood-cells, we will figure out how to program them so they can go inside blood stream and specifically target and destroy cancer cells.
I think we are ALMOST there; we have already started making nanobots capable of entering blood stream and targeting some particular molecule. They are being tested on rats as of now. In couple of decades, we are likely to become very good at it.
We know cancer cells kill cancer patients. Naturally it follows that killing........................
What makes me think so? We've already made devices that are almost as small as a blood cell. Mechanical devices. AKA "nano devices". The reason it's so hard to cure cancer is because we do NOT know how to target and destroy cancer cells. Chemotherapy destroys ALL cells (cancer + healthy cells). But once we get proficient in making these nano-devices that are smaller than blood-cells, we will figure out how to program them so they can go inside blood stream and specifically target and destroy cancer cells.
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cancer cells would cure the patient. As logical as that may sound I don't
think there has been any solid evidence that eradication of cancer cells
is a sure win. To my knowledge no treatment to this day can actually root
out what causes the mutation of normal cells to cancer cells and its
proliferation the precise mechanism
of which we don't understand. We also do not understand how the presence
of cancer cells are related to symptoms in some of the cancers. With colorectal
cancers many patients show symptoms that overlap with those of IBS, ulcerative
Colitis and Pruritus Ani which could set in *before* cancer cells are
detected. Other than hemorrhoid cream which may provide some partial relief
of anal itching there is no medicine to treat most of these symptoms. Just because
you can eliminate all cancer cells doesn't mean you can cure the patients
of their diseases.
A lot of unnecessarily pain and suffering have been caused by
treatment aimed to destroy cancer cells by toxic chemicals, radiation
and destructive surgery. I hope this new approach of using
nano-technology, successful or not as a cure, will be at least harmless.
Allow me to interject the link to this movie. It follows
the life of cancer patient from the point the doctor informed her of
terminal ovarian cancer diagnosis to her end. It is truly a gem which
is heartbreaking without being sensational. I've read that this move
is often shown in medicine school as a lesson on sensitivity to
terminally ill patients.
the life of cancer patient from the point the doctor informed her of
terminal ovarian cancer diagnosis to her end. It is truly a gem which
is heartbreaking without being sensational. I've read that this move
is often shown in medicine school as a lesson on sensitivity to
terminally ill patients.
Do you know anything about medicine? Do you happen to be Director of Medical Research Institute, or a professor of Medicine of UofT.Yes we will. We're entering a new age of medicine. Many new and exciting things are about to happen. The question is who will get there first, The Canadians, The Americans, The Russians, The Chinese, or the Brits. I'd say within the next 20 years or so, we're going to be laughing at cancers once thought unbeatable. An arrogant assumption, but with everything going so quickly, we will. We may even be able to reverse aging and send us physically and mentally back to our young twenties, once we have cancer meds in place. There's some amazing science being done in this area, it's just not talked about.
One interesting one is taking your immune cells, growing lots of them up, and then reinjecting them back into your body at the tumour site, and the cells just attack the tumour like gangbusters. without side effects. That's just one area of research. There are many really good ones right now. In fact one Harvard researcher did an analysis and predicts with all of our current technologies, if they were employed properly today, the average lifespan would be about 300 years old.
There is one difference between viruses and cancer cells that makes cancer aI fear that cancer could be like viruses. It can and probably mutates constantly. That is what is happening with anti-biotics(s) as they become ineffective because the germs/viruses are constantly mutating.
lot more deadly than most virus infections. Virus comes from outside whereas
cancer originated from the healthy cells of the patients. Viruses once they
are all gone the infection is gone. Not so with cancer. Remember Jack Layton.
announced his 'recovery' from his prostate cancer just a few months before
he died of a 'second cancer'.
Cyanide? What do you mean?What I know about Essiac tea is that it's usually used in conjunction with the tradition treatments and acts an immune booster. I've not heard of it being successful on it's own. The first thing that comes to mind when I hear Laetrile is cyanide and I know it's not as effective as you try to make us think. Steve McQueen had the laetrile course of treatments and still died. His story is not unique.
Quickly, what are natural-occurring or food sources of V B17. (Seems like an interesting video - I like the reference to scurvy as a disease that continued as a result of 'scientific arrogance' when the cure was already under their noses).Also Laetrile (vit. B17) is know to cure most cancers within a few weeks
Apricots kernels are the best source. Or you can just buy the apricot extract here:Quickly, what are natural-occurring or food sources of V B17
http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-17457...145&utm_campaign=googlebase&site=google_base&
Do not take more then 500 mg daily. Taking 3 grams daily of B17 can be toxic.
But taking 500 mg daily is actually good for you
I can tell, if you've come to that conclusion, that you're a smart individual.I like the reference to scurvy as a disease that continued as a result of 'scientific arrogance' when the cure was already under their noses
Just because a doctor spent 5 years in medical school doesnt mean he knows everything.
And just because Big Pharma says no cure for cancer, that doesnt mean a simple cure doesnt exist. Its just a matter of finding it
First of all its not my video, and I dont know who the illuminati is either.I stopped watching your laetrile video at that point. There's no illuminati conspiracy to keep cures for cancers under wraps...
But a lot of the other info in that video is spot on
Good, when you get cancer (especially pancreatic cancer) make sure to try chemotherapy and let us know how it works out for you.Give me an f'n break, you're not going to find a cure for cancer on some hippie's website. Maybe you shouldn't be getting your information from quacky videos from the 1970's where the narrator uses terms like "organized medicine". I stopped watching your laetrile video at that point
Does a 98% kill rate within 2 years sound like an effective treatment to you?!
And go ahead and use laetrile or hydrogen peroxide or anything else you want. Just make sure you DON"T take any conventional medical treatement...ie. no medicines, radiation, chemo...anything like that.First of all its not my video, and I dont know who the illuminati is either.
But a lot of the other info in that video is spot on
Good, when you get cancer (especially pancreatic cancer) make sure to try chemotherapy and let us know how it works out for you.
Does a 98% kill rate within 2 years sound like an effective treatment to you?!
And what's the survival or "kill" rate in those who forego treatment? The prognosis for many afflictions are very poor with or without treatment. Laetrile has not put anyone's cancer into remission or rid anyone of cancer, ever. The quacks who prey upon the desperation of sick people and get them to forego treatment in order to line their own pockets through the sale of their snake oils are scumbags of the worst kind. There is no conspiracy to keep some miracle cancer treatment under wraps so that so-called "big pharma" and "organized medicine" can make a tidy profit. There would be no shortage of people wanting a Nobel prize and a place in history alongside the likes of Pasteur, Jenner, or Fleming and you can be sure massive profits would be made by a pharmaceutical giant.First of all its not my video, and I dont know who the illuminati is either.
But a lot of the other info in that video is spot on
Good, when you get cancer (especially pancreatic cancer) make sure to try chemotherapy and let us know how it works out for you.
Does a 98% kill rate within 2 years sound like an effective treatment to you?!
I agree that cancer cells are not detected by the immune system and thus difficult to cure.There is one difference between viruses and cancer cells that makes cancer a
lot more deadly than most virus infections. Virus comes from outside whereas
cancer originated from the healthy cells of the patients. Viruses once they
are all gone the infection is gone. Not so with cancer. Remember Jack Layton.
announced his 'recovery' from his prostate cancer just a few months before
he died of a 'second cancer'.
But viruses can mutate which is why HIV is so hard to nail down.
Why isn't there are cure for cancer
1) our understanding of cancer is very limited...... we name cancers based on where they are found. That in itself is silly because it may not be where it originated from. More to the point just because it is found in the breast doesn't mean that it is the same cancer found in another patient with breast cancer.
2) as mentioned by others the immune system thinks these cells are part of one's "self" so it passes it by.
3) cancers work in three broad categories
a) the signal to stop cell division is gone (kinda like the breaks on your car is gone)
b) the signal to grow is constantly on (kinda like the gas pedal is stuck)
c) the mechanism for detecting mistakes in cell replication is defective (your mechanic has gone on vacation and you are not maintaining the car)
-as these three things are not fully understood attacking each problem separately is complex and time consuming
4) current treatments either can't guarantee killing all the cancer cells (thus it comes back) and typically the treatments affect cancer and non cancer cells alike (thus chemo is horrific)
Is the cure being supressed? Maybe. I doubt it because if you go into cancer research I think somewhere deep down you hope for the recognition. When doing that level of research you are basically committing your life to studying minutiae (spelling?!!?) a topic so specific that maybe a handful of people are doing similar work. I'd like to think that person can't be bought (but that's probably being idealistic).
Not to mention what there won't be one whistleblower? Most people will know someone who has cancer..... could you sit there and watch them die if you knew there was a cure?
A cure for cancer would be great but since that is probably some time away, the only realistic thing we can do is limit sun exposure, eat organic, don't smoke, eat meats and animal products in moderation. eat whole foods, avoid processed, canned and frozen food, excercise, bbq in moderation etc etc etc
1) our understanding of cancer is very limited...... we name cancers based on where they are found. That in itself is silly because it may not be where it originated from. More to the point just because it is found in the breast doesn't mean that it is the same cancer found in another patient with breast cancer.
2) as mentioned by others the immune system thinks these cells are part of one's "self" so it passes it by.
3) cancers work in three broad categories
a) the signal to stop cell division is gone (kinda like the breaks on your car is gone)
b) the signal to grow is constantly on (kinda like the gas pedal is stuck)
c) the mechanism for detecting mistakes in cell replication is defective (your mechanic has gone on vacation and you are not maintaining the car)
-as these three things are not fully understood attacking each problem separately is complex and time consuming
4) current treatments either can't guarantee killing all the cancer cells (thus it comes back) and typically the treatments affect cancer and non cancer cells alike (thus chemo is horrific)
Is the cure being supressed? Maybe. I doubt it because if you go into cancer research I think somewhere deep down you hope for the recognition. When doing that level of research you are basically committing your life to studying minutiae (spelling?!!?) a topic so specific that maybe a handful of people are doing similar work. I'd like to think that person can't be bought (but that's probably being idealistic).
Not to mention what there won't be one whistleblower? Most people will know someone who has cancer..... could you sit there and watch them die if you knew there was a cure?
A cure for cancer would be great but since that is probably some time away, the only realistic thing we can do is limit sun exposure, eat organic, don't smoke, eat meats and animal products in moderation. eat whole foods, avoid processed, canned and frozen food, excercise, bbq in moderation etc etc etc
BTW there is this assumption that medicine is more advanced that it really is.
I have watched people with ailments go from general practitioner to specialist to specialist to natural remedies only to come up empty handed.
If you get sick pray that it is easy to diagnose and it falls on the short list of things we can cure. Otherwise......
I have watched people with ailments go from general practitioner to specialist to specialist to natural remedies only to come up empty handed.
If you get sick pray that it is easy to diagnose and it falls on the short list of things we can cure. Otherwise......
True enough. Since the cures seem kind of iffy, so your best bet is to avoid it. Diet has a lot to do with high cancer rates, aside from the obvious sources such as smoking. In addition to the above very good suggestions, I eat lots of "superfoods" that are rich in anti oxidants. They say the anti oxidants bond with cancer causing free radicals and thereby prevent cancer. I read about some study. I don' recall all the details, but I think it was using mice as subjects. They fed mice barbequed food. They fed a control group barbequed food spiced with rosemary, a powerful anti oxidant. The first group developed lost of cancer. The second group had much lower cancer rates. That's what anit oxidants can do. Now pass me the rosemary...I have a big fat rib steak to barbeque.4) current treatments either can't guarantee killing all the cancer cells (thus it comes back) and typically the treatments affect cancer and non cancer cells alike (thus chemo is horrific)
A cure for cancer would be great but since that is probably some time away, the only realistic thing we can do is limit sun exposure, eat organic, don't smoke, eat meats and animal products in moderation. eat whole foods, avoid processed, canned and frozen food, excercise, bbq in moderation etc etc etc
I believe Essiac at one point had a 60 to 70% cure rate for pancreatic cancer until the govt ordered her to stop treatments. You can still buy Essiac in health food store however, it just cannot be marketed as a cancer cure.And what's the survival or "kill" rate in those who forego treatment?
Laetrile has cured lots of cancersLaetrile has not put anyone's cancer into remission or rid anyone of cancer, ever
How do you know Essiac, Laetrile, hydrogen peroxide, iodine...etc dont work?? Have you tried them yourself?? I suspect you havent.The quacks who prey upon the desperation of sick people and get them to forego treatment in order to line their own pockets through the sale of their snake oils are scumbags of the worst kind
And please dont respond with "I have a friend how tried Laetrile and it didnt work", because I wont believe you
You are too stupid to understand patent law and how profits are based on intellectual property.There is no conspiracy to keep some miracle cancer treatment under wraps so that so-called "big pharma" and "organized medicine" can make a tidy profit. There would be no shortage of people wanting a Nobel prize and a place in history alongside the likes of Pasteur, Jenner, or Fleming and you can be sure massive profits would be made by a pharmaceutical giant
In fact you are too stupid to have a debate with on a message board.
I'm done with you
