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It's official.. Talent in music is dead.

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Think Bowie, Floyd and Alice Cooper, Hendrix, James Brown and Who all get nods for the whole stage show and theatrics thing. Not sure if Kiss was he first.
Those you mention did not do it as big as KISS concerning explosions, effects, props and what not. Bowie just had his fancy costumes.. KISS took it further. Hendrix or James never had a big flashy stage show. Cooper came 2nd with the props, Queen the same with the lights/risers..
 

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Plagiarism is no longer seen as a bad thing in art. It's all about the value add. The notion that everything has to be completely 100% original "from scratch" is an outmoded 20th century idea. It founds its ultimate expression in those stupid abstract art paintings with a couple of straight lines that are supposed to be the ultimate in originality, with minimalist jazz--and then then the world just shrugged and moved on to something more fun.

The fact that there are people on this thread who think yelling "plagiarism" is somehow a criticism of a 21st century artist just indicates that Terb is populated by a bunch of old farts who haven't caught up with the times.

In fact the obsession with plagiarism was purely a late 19th to mid 20th century concern. In 18th century music and in early 19th century there was no such concern--classical musicians steal from each other shamelessly. The view back then was to take what others had done and improve on it. That is similar to the view today, again, as well, only with some twists. The contemporary idea is to show off your skill at weaving together well known cultural memes. Stealing a baseline or melody from someone else is no problem, so long as you combine it with something new in an interesting way. Every Gaga fan knows elements of that song is stolen from Madonna--that's why they like it, they think she mixed it up and made it fresh.
 

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You have to relax your mind and "just go " with the new artists. Here is a Rock Classic to help a transition, possibly.

The new music is great to have playing during sex.
Nobody is interested in her singing.
 

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Think about this for a moment. If what you're saying is true, who would be the first person to sue Gaga's ass?

Madonna doesn't hide her feelings towards Gaga, she even called her music reductive on public television! Now that's insulting. I know Madonna, or any of her writers, will sue anyone who remotely plagiarizes her music, but they haven't. I wouldn't make the statement Gaga's whole career is plagiarism. If you don't like her music, that's one thing and you're entitled to your opinion, but she isn't accused of plagiarism by anyone, at least legally.

Personally, I like her music, I think she is an extremely talented writer and has a great voice. Oh, and she also knows how to market herself in this industry, probably another thing she copied from Madonna, lol.
Keep in mind that it was canada-man saying that! I don't care for gaga-goo-goo. I'd rather listen to Christina Aguilera.
 

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well kiss is a horrible grouping of no talent losers and rush has geddy lee which in of itself is a giant fucking no talent loser. they are both skid marks on the history of music and i hope their tour buses crash into each other.
Simon don't hold back man, tell us how you really feel! LMAO
 

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Yo be really honest and frank with you,..... I didn't get around to hearing her sing. Kinda liked the outfit.
 

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Here's a hypothetical question.

Let's say that after they left King Crimson, Greg Lake and Peter Sinfield did not form Emerson, Lake and Palmer. Instead they went out as a songwriting team on their own, would they have become as big as Elton John and Bernie Taupin?

 

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SEX sells these days not talent. Its all about the entertainment factor not the skill. Its only going to get worse
 

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Here's a hypothetical question.

Let's say that after they left King Crimson, Greg Lake and Peter Sinfield did not form Emerson, Lake and Palmer. Instead they went out as a songwriting team on their own, would they have become as big as Elton John and Bernie Taupin?

nope too progressive and abstract
 

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Here's a hypothetical question.

Let's say that after they left King Crimson, Greg Lake and Peter Sinfield did not form Emerson, Lake and Palmer. Instead they went out as a songwriting team on their own, would they have become as big as Elton John and Bernie Taupin?

I have no answer for that but have you seen Rachel Flowers' renditions of Keith Emerson's music? If you haven't heard her before, crank up your speakers and prepare to have you mind blown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_IXw_uNejI&feature=related


As for contemporary music and originality, this comedy routine based on Pachelbel's Canon shows how overused some chord progressions are:

 

Insidious Von

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Thank you so much I enjoyed that. A lot of what Kieth Emerson does is JS Bach with a Hemi engine.

 

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Ian Anderson doesn't mind it.
IAN ANDERSON said:
We hadn't played this song live since the Isle of Wight festival in 1970, but have started playing it again recently. When we were in the studio recording it, and I strummed up my acoustic guitar and Martin added his bit, it never occurred to me that what we were playing would eventually form the basis of 'Hotel California'. The melody is not anything like 'Hotel California', of course, but when you actually get to the chord sequence, the way in which the thing progresses harmonically, it is actually the verse of 'Hotel California'. The Eagles were opening up for Jethro Tull around that time. However, 'Hotel California' is a very, very popular song and 'We Used to Know' remains an obscure album track.
 

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Ian Anderson has always been a gentleman Scot, he was probably flattered. The same could not be said for David Bowie concerning Under Pressure; Vanilla Ice came up with the lame excuse that Suge Knight took his money. Btw what does the opening rift of this song remind you of?

 

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Thread's gone off topic. Let's get back to new music.
There is actually a Billboard top 25 Rock Category. I listen to all music, even the new stuff. Try to keep an open mind to everything. I just don't don't like the new country though... just lacks somehow to me. That's only me though.

As far as the New Rock goes, there are some shadows of hope, such as the Black Keys. Foo Fighters, Chili Peppers, Young the Giant, Foster the People had some ok tunes. Not a vintage year for rock, far from it. But as long as there is a glimmer of hope, you never know.

The Top 100 had some good tunes overall. Some good singers. Give them that, and some of it entertaining.

Trying to keep an open mind to everything - even listen to "bad stuff". Shit, I'll listen to anything... send me your demos.
Agreeing with this. The new Black Keys album is rockin' and really good. And for more good blues-rock, there's Ben Harper and the Innocent Criminals. See them live whenever possible!

PJ Harvey's Let England Shake from last year is an incredible and original anti-war album that everyone should listen to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ryRb2X28GI&feature=relmfu
(the video's not great but the song is)

And if you liked the soundtrack to the movie Drive, and electronic Kraftwerk-type tunes, check out Montreal producer Johnny Jewel's Symmetry/Themes For An Imaginary Film
http://soundcloud.com/johnnyjewel/symmetry-themes-for-an

Looking forward to putting this on my Walkman and running with it.

There's plenty of good music now and it's easier to find than ever - you don't have listen to the radio hoping the song you want to hear gets played, or trek to a record store. And there's always been novelty acts, one-hit wonders and annoying pop tarts with dance songs that get overplayed for a while then disappear.

Alan Cross has a blog that I find really informative and helpful for checking out what's new in music.
http://www.alancross.ca/
 

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I actually grabbed the entire Black Keys discography and listened to it. I am really impressed. They do show some hope for new rock kind of like the White Stripes did when they first came out (what ever happened to them?).

Really good stuff.
 

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Thread's gone off topic. Let's get back to new music.
Agreeing with this. The new Black Keys album is rockin' and really good. And for more good blues-rock, there's Ben Harper and the Innocent Criminals. See them live whenever possible!

PJ Harvey's Let England Shake from last year is an incredible and original anti-war album that everyone should listen to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ryRb2X28GI&feature=relmfu
(the video's not great but the song is)

And if you liked the soundtrack to the movie Drive, and electronic Kraftwerk-type tunes, check out Montreal producer Johnny Jewel's Symmetry/Themes For An Imaginary Film
http://soundcloud.com/johnnyjewel/symmetry-themes-for-an

Looking forward to putting this on my Walkman and running with it.

There's plenty of good music now and it's easier to find than ever - you don't have listen to the radio hoping the song you want to hear gets played, or trek to a record store. And there's always been novelty acts, one-hit wonders and annoying pop tarts with dance songs that get overplayed for a while then disappear.

Alan Cross has a blog that I find really informative and helpful for checking out what's new in music.
http://www.alancross.ca/
cmon man, good blues/rock?,,this is ZZ Topp lite...like saying Christine Aguelira, sings gut bucket soul....try listening to real blues, or real rock..not some middle of the road, hybryd....this song sounds like something Dire Straits wuold record...id rather listen to Doug and the Slugs, cause this guy sounds like Doug, but without the soul...
 
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