Why I Am Voting Liberal
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If we did that, we'll be locked up in jail for a few yrs. These crooks got away with everything along with hefty pensions too. We all got f*#k left right and center.how much did mulroney get in cash from schreiber?
It wasn't taxpayer money. I could give rat's ass if he ripped off the German. He wasn't PM at the time and I didn't vote for him anyway.how much did mulroney get in cash from schreiber?
Are all conservative diehards such outrageous liars ?I have friends in both the Conservative War Room and in the Liberal War Room. The ones in the Conservative camp are working hard, trying to earn everyone's vote. The ones in the Liberal War Room are working hard, trying to hide the fact that Ignatieff's "policy" is very short-lived when he does announce anything.
Just curious - do you let the shit dry a little or just eat it as it comes out of Harper's ass ?I can not vote Liberal. How soon we forget the billions of taxpayer dollars lost under the Liberals. I will be voting Conservative. They haven't stolen my money.
I voted for Mulroney - a conservative - who set the all time record for running the government in debt, after promising senate reform filled it with political hacks and golf buddies then took hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash (literally under the table) from a lobbyist wanted for bribing international leaders. So bad was Mulroney hated by all Canadians for the taxes and corruption that he and his party was swept from power and the brink of oblivion. So please get your facts in order.
I also don't remember volunteering the billions of dollars wasted by Harper when he closed down Toronto for the G-Anarchy meeting.
Too bad chicken shit Harper will not follow through with his own idea and meet with Micheal Enigma one on one. I can understand why. I have absolutely no idea what the Liberals policy is on anything. If we have a one on one debate with Harper - we might discover there are alternatives.
Also - I as well as thousands of other Canadians have worked in the US because we have some talented people here that can complete for jobs with large corporations, show business, etc. It doesn't mean we are not proud Canadians. If Micheal Enigma is a competent man for the job - I'm not going for the inferior choice just because the better choice worked in the US.
I get upset with die hard party members, but the conservative party die hards seem to be the least able to provide truthful intellectual justifications for their position. Certainly seems the case here.
Do you iggy haters really know anything about him, or just what you heard in the cons' smear ads? Just because he took a job outside of Canada
(probably for more money and prestige than any comparable position in Canada) does not mean he is unworthy. If Greztsky came to the leafs after the kings, would you have rejected him? Is Steve Nash an asshole for playing in the States?
He appears to me to be an intelligent man with some good ideas, which is a fuck of a lot more than you can say for Harper .
I'm going to try and keep an open mind and judge him on his campaign performance, which so far is pretty good.
(probably for more money and prestige than any comparable position in Canada) does not mean he is unworthy. If Greztsky came to the leafs after the kings, would you have rejected him? Is Steve Nash an asshole for playing in the States?
He appears to me to be an intelligent man with some good ideas, which is a fuck of a lot more than you can say for Harper .
I'm going to try and keep an open mind and judge him on his campaign performance, which so far is pretty good.
While I agree with your rationale, its a very sad state when you have to select the best of the worst.Conservatives are the best of the worst
I'm curious, why would you call the Liberals "Tax and Spend" when they were the party that balanced the budget after years of bigger and bigger deficits under Brian Mulroney (though to be fair Trudeau was the one who started deficit financing in the first place, but Mulroney made it an art form).You know how to tell when a politician is lying? His lips are moving!
While I'm not a big fan of party politics I will be voting for Harper. Look at the alternatives. Tax and spend liberals or let's bend the labor groups over NDP's.These guy's have gone ahead and forced a 400 million dollar expense on the taxpayers. Didn't see much in the budget to warrant this.
I would suggest that if you have a decent independent running in your riding to vote for him or even better help canvas for him or donate to him. At lease these guys can vote how they want and aren't tied to the party line. Send a message to these rightous pricks.
The current conservative gov't are also now running huge deficits as well. In fact, Federal spending has never been as high as it has been under Harper.
So it would seem you have it backwards.
Though I will be the first to admit that Haper cut the GST by 2% and offered up a pile of tax cuts to his corporate elite buddies. (Though in order to finance that, he took a lesson from the George W Bush playbook and has been running deficits for the last 3 years with no sign of reversing tack.) In short, Harper is giving me a shitty tax cut, but borrowing money to do so. Keep the fucking money rather than run deficits for crying out loud.
Exactly, if you are a fiscal conservative then you have to vote Liberal.I'm curious, why would you call the Liberals "Tax and Spend" when they were the party that balanced the budget after years of bigger and bigger deficits under Brian Mulroney (though to be fair Trudeau was the one who started deficit financing in the first place, but Mulroney made it an art form).
The current conservative gov't are also now running huge deficits as well. In fact, Federal spending has never been as high as it has been under Harper.
So it would seem you have it backwards.
Though I will be the first to admit that Haper cut the GST by 2% and offered up a pile of tax cuts to his corporate elite buddies. (Though in order to finance that, he took a lesson from the George W Bush playbook and has been running deficits for the last 3 years with no sign of reversing tack.) In short, Harper is giving me a shitty tax cut, but borrowing money to do so. Keep the fucking money rather than run deficits for crying out loud.
The conservatives are conservatives only in name. They are driven by ideology instead of sound economics.
Canada leans so far left that the Conservative party here is not nearly as vomit inducing as the Conservative party in the U.S. is.
if they get their majority i'll be vomitingCanada leans so far left that the Conservative party here is not nearly as vomit inducing as the Conservative party in the U.S. is.
Mulroney made deficit financing an art form...........are you kidding? He and Finance Minister Michael Wilson were blasted by the opposition for trying to cut too much. If you go back and look what comprised the deficit, a significant portion was interest charges due to double digit interest rates. If you take that out of the equation they actually reduced spending levels compared to Trudeau's govt.I'm curious, why would you call the Liberals "Tax and Spend" when they were the party that balanced the budget after years of bigger and bigger deficits under Brian Mulroney (though to be fair Trudeau was the one who started deficit financing in the first place, but Mulroney made it an art form).
The current conservative gov't are also now running huge deficits as well. In fact, Federal spending has never been as high as it has been under Harper.
So it would seem you have it backwards.
Though I will be the first to admit that Haper cut the GST by 2% and offered up a pile of tax cuts to his corporate elite buddies. (Though in order to finance that, he took a lesson from the George W Bush playbook and has been running deficits for the last 3 years with no sign of reversing tack.) In short, Harper is giving me a shitty tax cut, but borrowing money to do so. Keep the fucking money rather than run deficits for crying out loud.
The Chretien/Martin duo balanced the budget on the backs of provinces, anybody could have done that. Provinces then downloaded costs to municipalities to compensate for the reduction in transfer payments.
And of course the current Conservative gov't is running huge deficits, every country in the western world is. The Conservatives have done an admirable job given the recent economic conditions - our economy is the strongest in the G8.
Harper is nothing like Dubya. And if you think he is the worst choice for Canada as we know it, then you don't know our politics very well.From What I have observed Harpo in nothing more than a mini-me Dubya parroting much of the same conservative crap we listened to down here that essentially took the US down the tubes. Harpo like Dubya appeals to weak of mind folks with no vision. Con vision means: give to the privileged few or top 2%, who will then let goods things 'trickle down' to ever grateful peasants. Guess what? We are still waiting for that 'trickle'! Don't let it happen to you!
You can't compare athletes to Iggy. Unless a free agent, they don't always have a choice where they can play. They get drafted and traded without a choice.(probably for more money and prestige than any comparable position in Canada) does not mean he is unworthy. If Greztsky came to the leafs after the kings, would you have rejected him? Is Steve Nash an asshole for playing in the States?
I will be voting Conservative. I really hope we get a majority too...... Main reason is a FUCK YOU to iggy and layton for wasting close to 300 MILLION bucks on an election.
Thats my tax dollars those fucking idiots are wasting.
Thats my tax dollars those fucking idiots are wasting.
So incorrect, I don't even know where to start, other than to laugh and shake my head.Mulroney made deficit financing an art form...........are you kidding? He and Finance Minister Michael Wilson were blasted by the opposition for trying to cut too much. If you go back and look what comprised the deficit, a significant portion was interest charges due to double digit interest rates. If you take that out of the equation they actually reduced spending levels compared to Trudeau's govt.
The Chretien/Martin duo balanced the budget on the backs of provinces, anybody could have done that. Provinces then downloaded costs to municipalities to compensate for the reduction in transfer payments.
And of course the current Conservative gov't is running huge deficits, every country in the western world is. The Conservatives have done an admirable job given the recent economic conditions - our economy is the strongest in the G8.
Under Mulroney, the Federal Government grew to an enormous size - bigger than ever with spending higher than ever. And that is an empirical fact. I will agree that the PC's under Mulroney helped the liberals and Paul Martin by bringing in the GST, which the Liberals made political hay with, however, Mulroney failed to take even a single step towards addressing true structural changes within the Federal Government. That was Paul Martin's doing.
But you don't have to believe me, but would you believe the Fraser Institute - Canada's famous hard right think tank (hard for you to say no to that one Mr. Douglas)
Here's the abstract from the Fraser Institute's report entitled,
Budget Blueprint
How Lessons from Canada’s 1995
Budget Can Be Applied Today
February 2011
Canada’s federal government has laid out a plan to eliminate its deficit
over the next five years. Unfortunately, the current federal plan is based on
assumptions of strong revenue growth (based on a strong economic recovery),
restrained spending growth, and limited increases in interest rates. Rather
than relying on these questionable assumptions about the future, the federal
government should have looked at its own experience in the mid-1990s when
Canada led the world in solving its deficit and debt problems.
In 1995, the federal Liberal Party undertook deliberate and difficult
steps—cutting nominal spending and public-sector employment—and were
able to solve the deficit and debt problems of the country effectively. They
avoided the mistakes of the preceding decade and a half and took real action.
In a short time, their approach brought balanced budgets, declining debt, and
decreasing interest costs.
This study is intended to educate readers about the state of the current
fiscal problems of the federal government, the parallels with the failures
of the 1980s and early 1990s, how governments solved the problems in the
mid-1990s, and how we can again solve today’s problem using those lessons.
Enjoy the rest of the read here:
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uplo...ews/research/publications/BudgetBlueprint.pdf
Game, set, match.
With all thats going around , i guess we either need propotional representation and/or Mandatory voting with None of the above as a option on every ballot , the current form of democracy is getting crazier by the election .....
very funny... harper is the one who desperately wanted the election so he could seek the majority......the others know they can't win, but have to demand that the minority government at least try to compromise, but harper refused...........so if he gets his majority, then we'll really see what an asshole he is.I will be voting Conservative. I really hope we get a majority too...... Main reason is a FUCK YOU to iggy and layton for wasting close to 300 MILLION bucks on an election.
Thats my tax dollars those fucking idiots are wasting.
