Is the police funeral over the top?
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many of us actually do not live in the cess pool.. we simply zip in from various other geographic locales to hobby from time to time..but your right, it truly IS a cesspool.
If you think this city is a cesspool, how do you describe, Calcutta, Rio, Mexico city, Nairobi, Moscow? I suspect you don't get around much.
Why is it that it seems you are always defending the putrid, decaying status quo rather than acknowledging there is a problem and addressing it with a REAL solution?
You are one of them aren't you?...yes THEM..either that or a politician.
So you say far from a police state? Lets stop with the semantic games and mincing and dicing of words and tyring to minimize how bad the problem really is - thats all mental masturbation.
There is a sentiment and its obvious.
The fact is police acted poorly not so long ago - blindly following directions that were known to be inaccurate. The chief of police lied to the public and then lied about lying! and was caught ! It was nothing short of thoroughly disgusting. If they can do it once (though they have done it several times) they WILL do it again. They will disobey the charter of rights, they will protect and serve something other than the public interest, they will forsake democracy and they will lie, cheat, coverup, over look and do a completely sloppy, inept and pathetic job in sifting out the bad among them because they are a brotherhood, a brotherhood that needs to be reigned in by the public - not the other way around.
So of course things are coming to a head, there have been many injustices.....maybe instead of defending perhaps listen to this mirror, for what it is saying will only grow.
BTW no one ever said any of your absolutes, that: "all cops were pigs or corrupt." We see a problem in the force, its getting bigger and it's getting worse.
Lastly your argument also works on the other side. We are not all criminals so we don't need cameras on every corner and cops hovering over us as artificial protectors and artificial heros stomping on our right to speak freely and protest peacefully. We are specifically NOT talking about bank robbers, murders and rapists.
If the brotherhood had one iota of legal duty or sense of justice they would speak up and confess to their wrong doings and call out the wrongs of the other officers - but they don't, they hide it (or try to anyway) BTW isn't that a crime - obstructing justice or something along the line...hmm.. Of course they don't confess it, that would show how many cracks there are in walls of the brotherhood.
In anycase this isn't really about Mr.Russell or funeral size, that was merely a catalyst. Its about a force that disgracefuly let down the people of toronto - and its trying to pump itself back up. People thankfully can see through the smoke show.
NP did you read the quote you quoted? I said, "there were troubles and things that needed to be changed." What part of that is defending the status quo?
Set aside the fact that other members have said virtually the same thing, so this sentiment, even on TERB, is not a total as you might want to represent.
Yes, somebody did say all the cops were pigs, but it was a single drive-by flaming in among the many posts and then he disappeared.
Wrong again, but that's nothing new. It wouldn't take long to compile like minded thinkers with your mind set. but you might find it shorter than you would like. Many comments were posted making comments negative comments about the police, such as who paid for the funeral and of course how the cops got paid, but then these comments were proven wrong. some people actually learned something.
Nah, this funeral was politicized IMHO. Like I said, I think the death of this officer was exploited by the tribe. You can bet they are licking their chops for the upcoming contract negotiations.
I agree they SHOULD have been 2 seperate issues, but in the end they weren't. Perhaps I am still scarred by the memories of the last time thousands of cops assembled in our city. My opinion is just that, but the fact is it an opinion that seems to be quite widely held based on all the posts here and on newspaper commentaries. As usual you are voicing your support for your business development folks. Nice to see you know where your bread is buttered.
I'm in total agreement with your sentiments. All the hullabaloo was a cynical stunt to bolster the reputation of a police force that showed its incompetence during the G20 debacle.
Furthermore, what the hell is it in this country with our almost slavish deification of the bloody police? Did you know that, according to an insurance broker of my acquaintance, construction workers and oil hands have far higher mortality rates than the police? Do we shut down half the city when some poor schmuck falls off a building? The police get paid very handsomely for what they do....after what transpired at the G20, I don't think they should be getting any kind of pay increase in the upcoming contract negotiations.
Didn't you say you are a lawyer? Maybe I mixed you up with one of the other usual suspects.. it's so hard to tell you all apart. Sometimes you wonder if it is one person with multiple IDs.
No, Rubby lives of his family fortune. His grandfather started the family biz in a humble basement operation in the depression and it has grown to monumental proportion. Rubby owns Dildo Corp.
Yes. Anyone who's stayed at all alert since reaching adulthood should be aware that policing is ugly, but that other occupations are more dangerous. Farming rates very high.
Closing streets and such is what we freedom-loving people do whenever there's a big crowd that wants to gather: Yonge was closed for the G20 march, University for Santa Claus, the Danny for two Greek Independence Days. And whenever there's big attendance at a funeral traffic gets stopped/rerouted. Police feel a bond of solidarity whenever one of them is killed, and they come from far and wide in large numbers. How would you propose stopping them?
What we should consider is why we don't feel similar bonds that connect us with every fallen worker, and turn out for their services. If we did, we'd likely have safer workplaces all over—including the streets the police work on.
If you want to see a downside, consider how the bond of solidarity gets perverted into the 'blue wall of silence' where 'good' cops do nothing about the badguy they were right beside, and even officers cannot bring themselves to see and report the personnel they're supposedly leading. That we must constantly fight.
But let's not cavil as they mourn the sacrifice of their comrade.
So?
Some people think the cost is a factor in determining their opinion if the event was "over the top."
I guess you would rather people not know that information.
Scarred are we? Perhaps counselling is in order. That way you could work on your anti-semitism and scarring at the same time.
Rocket surgeon does exist as a profession in Rubbys own little world. where the skies are orange sherbet and you can reach up with a spoon and have a taste and the clouds are cotton candy. Rubby lives in a world where young ladies come and care and pleasure him and even bathe him in a warm hot spring in the sunshine. ( in reality it is the orderly from the psych ward named Buck that bathes him once a week. While Rubby is being bathed Buck likes to say : My name is Buck and I came to............................
Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
Obviously this funeral will be used as a great bargaining chip.
I can just imagine the next meeting between Blair and Ford.
Blair: We really do need the 5% budget increase.
Ford: I wish I could but we simply don't have the money.
Blair: But we had 12,000 cops at the Russell funeral.
Ford: Oh yeah, that's right. Ok we will find a way to get you whatever you want.
