Nope, she's a live one!!!!!! Just finished and kicker her out, damn that was a good one.
ps, she's not any good at reading, her talents are elsewhere, lol.
Again, did I miss anything important?
Is the police funeral over the top?
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ps, she's not any good at reading, her talents are elsewhere, lol.
Again, did I miss anything important?
I'm guessing the best $60 you've spent this month?Nope, she's a live one!!!!!! Just finished and kicker her out, damn that was a good one.
ps, she's not any good at reading, her talents are elsewhere, lol.
Again, did I miss anything important?
I think somebody earlier on was saying that he slipped and fell...and then got run over.Maybe a really good cop could have stopped the guy AND be able to save his own ass too.
None of us were there but that story I can buy. Other wise it wasnt making sense to me you see the plow, you see it coming, you know theres a problem with him stopping because he caused all kinds of mayhem. Why put yourself in a position to get hit? if you see the plow coming...get out of the way...run into an alley...do something
Exactly, you can't even really plan ahead for this kind of thing. It's what you do at the spur of the moment. Sometimes you do the right thing, sometimes you don't.I think somebody earlier on was saying that he slipped and fell...and then got run over.
None of us were there but that story I can buy. Other wise it wasnt making sense to me you see the plow, you see it coming, you know theres a problem with him stopping because he caused all kinds of mayhem. Why put yourself in a position to get hit? if you see the plow coming...get out of the way...run into an alley...do something
If they came in and said I'm going to kill you, would you still stay in the store to help them?If I worked at a clothing store, a customer comes in, I would try and help them, that's what I get paid for.
And if the pump caught on fire and someone was trapped in the car by the gas pump would you run out and try to get them out of the car?If I worked at the gas station, I hear the pump going off, I press the button to open the pump, process the customer's payment etc, that's what I get paid for.
Police do that and more.
If you're a feeling person, you are indeed saddened by the cop's death, whether he made a mistake at the scene or not.
If you're a feeling person, you might even feel bad for the guy who snapped and drove the plough into the cop. It wasn't his life that was taken, but his life as he knew it is over. He was, apparently, a combination of depressed, distraught and possibly mentally ill. Certainly he must feel enormous regret.
If you're a feeling person, you try to treat all people's lives as valuable as your own, so you might be baffled how little attention is given to victims of the police, but just how much is given to the police as victims. Is it right? Is it proportional? No it is not.
But can you fault police for supporting each other? Probably not.
Should the media treat the dead officer as a saint, a hero? No, he was just doing his job, one that is by turns dangerous, boring and stressful. The incidence of police death on the job is very low, but that doesn't stop the police union and policeman from using it to their political advantage every chance they get. So where does the politics begin and end?
The police in Toronto have a very serious problem, one that has been building for some time, and so it is quite "natural" that there's all this negative energy at what should be a sacred time. It's just been waiting to be released. Is there a good time for such uncomfortable talk? Nope. It doesn't make it any easier than ANY criticism of the police, is always met with the same two deflections:
1) We put our life on the line for you, so shut up--always.
and
2) Wait until you need us, and then you'll change your mind.
It shuts up 95% of people, and allows the police to continue to operate almost outside of the reach of the law or any reasonable, democratic oversight.
The larger problem is that police always stand together, and do not allow dissent, so it's difficult to have a conversation between the police and the public under these circumstances.
I think decent people feel that Russell should be celebrated, but that it's also not surprising that many well intentioned people wonder whether there aren't a lot of issues on the table beyond the simple drama that played out that day. It is the result of them not being dealt with at other times, and the way in which the police refuse to answer questions about their own--ever.
Eventually, inconveniently, these questions need to come to light. Apparently the time is now, whether anyone likes it or not.
RIP to Russell and sympathies to his wife and family.
If you're a feeling person, you might even feel bad for the guy who snapped and drove the plough into the cop. It wasn't his life that was taken, but his life as he knew it is over. He was, apparently, a combination of depressed, distraught and possibly mentally ill. Certainly he must feel enormous regret.
If you're a feeling person, you try to treat all people's lives as valuable as your own, so you might be baffled how little attention is given to victims of the police, but just how much is given to the police as victims. Is it right? Is it proportional? No it is not.
But can you fault police for supporting each other? Probably not.
Should the media treat the dead officer as a saint, a hero? No, he was just doing his job, one that is by turns dangerous, boring and stressful. The incidence of police death on the job is very low, but that doesn't stop the police union and policeman from using it to their political advantage every chance they get. So where does the politics begin and end?
The police in Toronto have a very serious problem, one that has been building for some time, and so it is quite "natural" that there's all this negative energy at what should be a sacred time. It's just been waiting to be released. Is there a good time for such uncomfortable talk? Nope. It doesn't make it any easier than ANY criticism of the police, is always met with the same two deflections:
1) We put our life on the line for you, so shut up--always.
and
2) Wait until you need us, and then you'll change your mind.
It shuts up 95% of people, and allows the police to continue to operate almost outside of the reach of the law or any reasonable, democratic oversight.
The larger problem is that police always stand together, and do not allow dissent, so it's difficult to have a conversation between the police and the public under these circumstances.
I think decent people feel that Russell should be celebrated, but that it's also not surprising that many well intentioned people wonder whether there aren't a lot of issues on the table beyond the simple drama that played out that day. It is the result of them not being dealt with at other times, and the way in which the police refuse to answer questions about their own--ever.
Eventually, inconveniently, these questions need to come to light. Apparently the time is now, whether anyone likes it or not.
RIP to Russell and sympathies to his wife and family.
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+1. Great to see a non-kneejerk thoughtful reaction. Please stay here.Friedrice, you are a welcome addition to TERB. Thanks for summing things up so well.
In my time in Toronto, I have never noticed this but there is obviously a lot of disconnect between people living in the GTA and the Toronto Police.The police in Toronto have a very serious problem, one that has been building for some time, and so it is quite "natural" that there's all this negative energy at what should be a sacred time. It's just been waiting to be released.
It, however, seemingly extends much further than that. I realize that TERB has in general a certain spectrum of the populace, but from the comments about the local police services in the GTA, if true they seemingly must be the most unresponsive police services in North America and likewise the most corrupt and venial.
I truly wonder if this is true, and if so what it says for the bashing of the U.S. which is such a popular pastime here, while living is such a cesspool.
great first postIf you're a feeling person, you are indeed saddened by the cop's death, whether he made a mistake at the scene or not.
If you're a feeling person, you might even feel bad for the guy who snapped and drove the plough into the cop. It wasn't his life that was taken, but his life as he knew it is over. He was, apparently, a combination of depressed, distraught and possibly mentally ill. Certainly he must feel enormous regret.
If you're a feeling person, you try to treat all people's lives as valuable as your own, so you might be baffled how little attention is given to victims of the police, but just how much is given to the police as victims. Is it right? Is it proportional? No it is not.
But can you fault police for supporting each other? Probably not.
Should the media treat the dead officer as a saint, a hero? No, he was just doing his job, one that is by turns dangerous, boring and stressful. The incidence of police death on the job is very low, but that doesn't stop the police union and policeman from using it to their political advantage every chance they get. So where does the politics begin and end?
The police in Toronto have a very serious problem, one that has been building for some time, and so it is quite "natural" that there's all this negative energy at what should be a sacred time. It's just been waiting to be released. Is there a good time for such uncomfortable talk? Nope. It doesn't make it any easier than ANY criticism of the police, is always met with the same two deflections:
1) We put our life on the line for you, so shut up--always.
and
2) Wait until you need us, and then you'll change your mind.
It shuts up 95% of people, and allows the police to continue to operate almost outside of the reach of the law or any reasonable, democratic oversight.
The larger problem is that police always stand together, and do not allow dissent, so it's difficult to have a conversation between the police and the public under these circumstances.
I think decent people feel that Russell should be celebrated, but that it's also not surprising that many well intentioned people wonder whether there aren't a lot of issues on the table beyond the simple drama that played out that day. It is the result of them not being dealt with at other times, and the way in which the police refuse to answer questions about their own--ever.
Eventually, inconveniently, these questions need to come to light. Apparently the time is now, whether anyone likes it or not.
RIP to Russell and sympathies to his wife and family.
Of course should anyone try to compare TO police to say, Milwaukee, New Orleans or the Louisiana State Police, we run the risk of being scolded for doing so, with take care of our own first, then worry about others.In my time in Toronto, I have never noticed this but there is obviously a lot of disconnect between people living in the GTA and the Toronto Police.
It, however, seemingly extends much further than that. I realize that TERB has in general a certain spectrum of the populace, but from the comments about the local police services in the GTA, if true they seemingly must be the most unresponsive police services in North America and likewise the most corrupt and venial.
I truly wonder if this is true, and if so what it says for the bashing of the U.S. which is such a popular pastime here, while living is such a cesspool.
As Henny Youngman said when asked how his wife was, 'as compared to what?'
I don't want to drag U.S. into this because it's not comparable. TO ain't a cesspool...but it doesn't mean corruption doesn't exist. It does almost anywhere in the world. Everyone can only hope. The police force in TO isn't perfect...I don't know what % do their job (as displayed by Officer Russell). But to say that there isn't a lot of politics involved in all the charade that's going on is in serious denial.In my time in Toronto, I have never noticed this but there is obviously a lot of disconnect between people living in the GTA and the Toronto Police.
It, however, seemingly extends much further than that. I realize that TERB has in general a certain spectrum of the populace, but from the comments about the local police services in the GTA, if true they seemingly must be the most unresponsive police services in North America and likewise the most corrupt and venial.
I truly wonder if this is true, and if so what it says for the bashing of the U.S. which is such a popular pastime here, while living is such a cesspool.
What charade are we talking about?I don't want to drag U.S. into this because it's not comparable. TO ain't a cesspool...but it doesn't mean corruption doesn't exist. It does almost anywhere in the world. Everyone can only hope. The police force in TO isn't perfect...I don't know what % do their job (as displayed by Officer Russell). But to say that there isn't a lot of politics involved in all the charade that's going on is in serious denial.
In this instance why not, other than the number of pistols per capita in the GTA as compared with a similar size U.S. city, what isn't comparable?I don't want to drag U.S. into this because it's not comparable.
On TERB I rather doubt it. I don't know enough about the Milwaukee Police, but as to the latter two, I believe that anyone in the GTA would be well advised to keep what you have.Of course should anyone try to compare TO police to say, Milwaukee, New Orleans or the Louisiana State Police, we run the risk of being scolded for doing so, with take care of our own first, then worry about others.
Told ya!is that the standard. as long as there is a worse police force we should shut up and be happy?
No, but we are far from a police state in this city as so many claimed not too long a ago. We have troubles and we have places that could use some work BUT we are not a corrupt force with every cop a pig, nor a police state.
nothing you have posted precludes citizens from working to make the situation better. in fact, i believe its a citizens duty to act/Told ya!
No, but we are far from a police state in this city as so many claimed not too long a ago. We have troubles and we have places that could use some work BUT we are not a corrupt force with every cop a pig, nor a police state.
You might want to define act. Some might say the Black Block acted on their beliefs. Thank goodness most wouldn't say so.nothing you have posted precludes citizens from working to make the situation better. in fact, i believe its a citizens duty to act/
Now why would I ever suspect that a fair number of posters haven't spent much time in New Orleans or Chicago or Los Angeles or Rio de Janeiro.
There is a great difference between matters could stand improvement and "things are over the top."
There is a great difference between matters could stand improvement and "things are over the top."
