Is the police funeral over the top?

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Where's you get the idea I want to prohibit anything? I simply want to point out that it's a piece of over the top politicized grandstanding by the police union. Nothing more.
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Would you say the same if it was a fallen IDF trooper?

I suspect not.
 
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rld said:
Would you say the same if it was a fallen IDF trooper?

I suspect not.
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Why would I care about fallen IDF troopers? Yes, if Israel went and held some huge all star gala parade because one soldier was shot, I would say they were politicizing it, that it was over the top, and that it was political grandstanding. It would be an obvious attempt to attract public sympathy for political purposes, just exactly like what the police union is doing.

Wouldn't you also think so?
 
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Lets agree it was an over the top show of honour and respect for a fallen officer!!

And there is nothing wrong with being over the top!

Too bad all of us did not do everything we do over the top.....the world would be a better place!!!!
 
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fuji said:
Why would I care about fallen IDF troopers? Yes, if Israel went and held some huge all star gala parade because one soldier was shot, I would say they were politicizing it, that it was over the top, and that it was political grandstanding. It would be an obvious attempt to attract public sympathy for political purposes, just exactly like what the police union is doing.

Wouldn't you also think so?
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I am just not that cynical.

I like the message that is sent when a community gathers together in a traditional way to salute its fallen heroes.
 
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fuji said:
In general? Any thread started by danmand in which he subsequently lost the debate has been deleted.
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Really? Only in your own mind do you win debates?
 
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Police funerals are big. It is the celebration of an officers life and commitment to duty. For soldiers it is the ramp ceremony, held on base, for the fellow soldiers to honour the fallen. Like any funeral, families gather, to mourn together and share in the memory of the departeds life. The police are like any family, but much larger.
To bring into issue if this over the top is in bad taste. To say this will be used as a bargaining chip in contract negotiations is ludicrous. To link this with the G20 as a deflection of what happened, think about that one for yourself and feel very ashamed.
The blue wall is a brotherhood, that's for sure. Like anybody they are not perfect, although, like athletes, many hold them to a higher standard. The linking of a death in one profession to another is like comparing apples and oranges. The police are dealing with elements of society on an everyday basis that the average citizen never comes into contact with. The job is like a never ending battle. Officers grind it out on a daily basis and they are wounded and scarred for their efforts and sometimes one of them pays the ultimate price. Leave them be, let them mourn and celebrate the death of one of their own.
And from Henry the V's speech at Agincourt;
This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.'
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
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BlaH BLAH BLAH, you are basically saying then that it CANNOT be over the top? Of COURSE it can. There is reasonable and unreasonable. IMO it was unreasonable to shut down a significant part of a city for one funeral.

And by the way, I saw on the news last night the guy who had a poster was arrested etc.

I REALLY DON'T LIKE THAT, when the police basically arrest a guy for not agreeing with them, which is EXACTLY what it amounted to.
 
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Aardvark154 said:
So Fuji, what are you proposing a Funeral tax if someone or a group of people spend more money on a funeral than you feel is appropriate, there should be some punitive consequence?!

You have already admitted that the city didn't pay, that it was all 'private' money, so seemingly you now wish to prohibit people from spending their own money on funerals.
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They can spend whatever they like - just dont tel me I am not allowed to go about my business, and have to kow tow to the police royalty.

We are shutting down this city IMO too often. A bunch of Tamils feel their kind are being mistreated on the other side of the globe - shut down the Gardner. etc etc
 
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They can spend whatever they like - just dont tel me I am not allowed to go about my business, and have to kow tow to the police royalty.

We are shutting down this city IMO too often. A bunch of Tamils feel their kind are being mistreated on the other side of the globe - shut down the Gardner. etc etc
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Yeah man, all the freedom of expression and freedom of association stuff just sucks...
 
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rld said:
Yeah man, all the freedom of expression and freedom of association stuff just sucks...
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Associate on private property, express yourself on private property, thats the issue here OBVIOUSLY. The guy with the sign couldnt express HIMSELF now could he?
 
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lmao, I'm still wondering how nottyboi thinks this funeral is going to be used as a bargaining chip for their upcoming contract. Bogges the mind.
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It's not a bargaining chip, it is to sway public opinion that being a cop is dangerous and therefore should be highly paid. Especially after the G20 BS. If you don't understand that you are pretty dumb.
 
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[BThe man was arrested for a Breach of the Peace. This is simply an arrest authority the Police use and there is no associated charge.

Turns out THE PUBLIC were getting into it with this guy.....there was a loud argument with citizens who found it offensive. Under the circumstances, the guy was causing a disturbance and I believe the Police truly went in as there was a BREACH of the PEACE. By removing him..the PEACE was restored!![/COLOR][/B]
 
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fmahovalich said:
[BThe man was arrested for a Breach of the Peace. This is simply an arrest authority the Police use and there is no associated charge.

Turns out THE PUBLIC were getting into it with this guy.....there was a loud argument with citizens who found it offensive. Under the circumstances, the guy was causing a disturbance and I believe the Police truly went in as there was a BREACH of the PEACE. By removing him..the PEACE was restored!![/COLOR][/B]
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He was just standing there, holding a sign, the other people were causing the disturbance.
Yet he got pushed face 1st into a snow bank, and got arrested, go figure.

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nottyboi said:
It's not a bargaining chip, it is to sway public opinion that being a cop is dangerous and therefore should be highly paid. Especially after the G20 BS. If you don't understand that you are pretty dumb.
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Those that resort to name calling and/or personal insults are usually the dumb ones since they do not have the capacity to discuss or debate an issue with reason and intellect.

Public opinion is a non issue when the union is sitting across from the city negotiators, especially with Ford. Ford couldn't care less and wouldn't bat an eye if the union tries to use public opinion during contract negotiations, and if you don't understand that, then you're pretty........... well you know. Oh shit, I must be pretty dumb.
 
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