Is the police funeral over the top?

[big dogie]

Yes, of course I have customers at Elmer and in the SIU that don't know each other both saying the same thing. Believe it or not the police and the press don't always tell you the truth, that makes no difference to the sheep.

b d

Of course you based this statement on something I hope.

 

[burt-oh-my!]

This is a pet peeve of mine. All kinds of people are necessary for the proper functioning of our society. Police officers are one of those. It is a job, it has risks.

What I don't get is the 'sacrifice' aspect of it. He was performing his duties and he died. He was PAID to do that job, so it wasn't a 'sacrifice' for free. What is the huge difference between him getting hit like he did and a logger getting hit and killed by a falling tree? We treat the former as so much more worthy of our honor, yet conceptually they are the same. They are both being paid to do risky jobs.

Of course, we get ANGRY because it was a willful, human-caused death, but I don't see that his death is any more 'sacrificial' than the logger's, the trucker's, the construction worker's, etc.

So my vote is, yes, way over the top.

 

[blackrock13]

BINGO!


I'm surprised a thousand random people weren't needlessly detained today to mark the occasion.

So the large turnout of 5,000 that attended the funeral of Const.James Ochakovsky in Peel was also an attempt to get over the G20 as well.

Riiight!

Loosen you grip Bobby and let the blood flow a bit.

 

[blackrock13]

Yes, of course I have customers at Elmer and in the SIU that don't know each other both saying the same thing. Believe it or not the police and the press don't always tell you the truth, that makes no difference to the sheep.

b d

They were there of course to witness this or are they just saying he had time. They're both in the SIU and don't know each other? What's Elmer?

I'm not naive enough to think the news or police always tell it like it is. Then we have police officers like QIF, who have nothing nice to say about police after 20 years in the service.

 

[oldjones]

This is a pet peeve of mine. All kinds of people are necessary for the proper functioning of our society. Police officers are one of those. It is a job, it has risks.

What I don't get is the 'sacrifice' aspect of it. He was performing his duties and he died. He was PAID to do that job, so it wasn't a 'sacrifice' for free. What is the huge difference between him getting hit like he did and a logger getting hit and killed by a falling tree? We treat the former as so much more worthy of our honor, yet conceptually they are the same. They are both being paid to do risky jobs.

Of course, we get ANGRY because it was a willful, human-caused death, but I don't see that his death is any more 'sacrificial' than the logger's, the trucker's, the construction worker's, etc.

So my vote is, yes, way over the top.

Nobody is paid to die.

The question should be why we don't turn out in such numbers to honour and remember the logger or the construction worker. And even more: Afterwards, why do we talk about everything but what we can do to help make these events rarer than they are?

 

[Major Major]

I think it was a bit much..... I dont remmeber Todd Baylis's funeral being this grandiose and that poor guy was shot in the head by a drug dealer of sound mind that was intent on murdering the cops that came through the door.

This is a pet peeve of mine. All kinds of people are necessary for the proper functioning of our society. Police officers are one of those. It is a job, it has risks.

What I don't get is the 'sacrifice' aspect of it. He was performing his duties and he died. He was PAID to do that job, so it wasn't a 'sacrifice' for free. What is the huge difference between him getting hit like he did and a logger getting hit and killed by a falling tree? We treat the former as so much more worthy of our honor, yet conceptually they are the same. They are both being paid to do risky jobs.

Of course, we get ANGRY because it was a willful, human-caused death, but I don't see that his death is any more 'sacrificial' than the logger's, the trucker's, the construction worker's, etc.

So my vote is, yes, way over the top.

I agree

Ask yourself this guys... if it were a civilian who died trying to do the right thing; would it be treated the same?...now THAT is selfless...and it happens

 

[fuji]

The police officer's wife had the last word on whether to allow this funeral to be a private or public affair. Her wishes were that the celebration should be public. No politics there. Did you ever think that the families of the fallen soldiers wanted their celebrations to be private and therefore they were?

Ludicrous post. It's your view that despite hundreds of deaths in Afghanistan not one has wanted a public funeral, and that is why we haven't seen a massive parade down our streets? Out of hundreds, not ONE wanted it public?

 

[blackrock13]

I think it was a bit much..... I dont remmeber Todd Baylis's funeral being this grandiose and that poor guy was shot in the head by a drug dealer of sound mind that was intent on murdering the cops that came through the door.

I agree

Ask yourself this guys... if it were a civilian who died trying to do the right thing; would it be treated the same?...now THAT is selfless...and it happens

That's because Ted Baylis , the father, didn't want a big public funeral.

If a civilian could garner 10,000 mourners among his family friends and fellows workers, then he should be allowed.

At this stage in my life I've been to too many funerals and been responsible for too many as well, not just family. One of the things that blows me away are the people who attend the funeral/visitation that are outside the family and close friends. When you see hairdressers, housekeeper, ailing people who themselves are suffering serious illnesses, mailmen, even neighbours that didn't say 10 words to the deceased in years all go and give their support to the grieving family it's amazing. I know first hand what goes through the head and heart and it is a good feeling. That's what it is all about.

 

[blackrock13]

Ludicrous post. It's your view that despite hundreds of deaths in Afghanistan not one has wanted a public funeral, and that is why we haven't seen a massive parade down our streets? Out of hundreds, not ONE wanted it public?

First of all Fuji 'hundreds' of Canadian soldiers haven't died in Afghanistan.

What I can say is that the family does have the last say, as they should. As I pointed out before, I know what a family went through as a friend of mine was one of the first to suffer a loss and I saw first hand what they dealt with and they told me much of what they suffered as i had just suffered a family loss.

 

[burt-oh-my!]

You can't be serious? hard to argue with someone who comes into a discussion from that frame of mind.

It is not "more tragic" but the guys who are on the scaffolding are not defending citizens from criminals bent on stealing from us, killing us, dealing drugs and beating us up. Whether YOU like it or not, those who work for our society in law and order and life and are called up to rescue us from life threatening situations.

Window caulkers do not.

Who cares WHY they died, to me they are just citizens contributing to society like everyone else.

 

[burt-oh-my!]

I don't see soldiers on your list and have no idea what the point you are trying to make is.

Then you are pretty thick.

What about al lthe inconvenience of the closed streets, the lost business for the business owners along the route?

At the end of the day, I feel that the life of a police officer is worth EXACTLY the same as anyone else's life, and so is his death.

 

[fuji]

First of all Fuji 'hundreds' of Canadian soldiers haven't died in Afghanistan.

Does pointing out that it's 153 make your post any less ludicrous????

Your absolutely incredible claim is that out of 153 families not one single family wanted a public service.

 

[blackrock13]

Does pointing out that it's 153 make your post any less ludicrous????

Your absolutely incredible claim is that out of 153 families not one single family wanted a public service.

At least I've sat down with some of those families and got feedback and facts. You, not so much.

 

[fuji]

At least I've sat down with some of those families and got feedback anf the facts. You, not so much.

Evasion. You're still trying to dodge the point: There is differential treatment here and you know it. Even if a military family wanted a public service--and no doubt out of 153 at least ONE did--they would not get the kind of all star gala show, complete with massive parade, that was put on yesterday.

 

[miles@divas]

Way over the top!!!

 

[blackrock13]

Evasion. You're still trying to dodge the point: There is differential treatment here and you know it. Even if a military family wanted a public service--and no doubt out of 153 at least ONE did--they would not get the kind of all star gala show that was put on yesterday.

No dodge, I answered the question and at least have something to base it on. You, almost pure speculation based on whatever.

 

[Aardvark154]

Public servants get paid very well, have a lot of time off, do not work long hours and have pretty darn good benefits.

So they all work less than 40 hours a week? They get paid far more than other unionized workers?

By the way do you routinely have to work all night and napping while doing so is grounds for firing?

 

[Frosty]

At the end of the day, I feel that the life of a police officer is worth EXACTLY the same as anyone else's life, and so is his death.

I agree with this guy.
So what if he or she's a cop? BIG FRICKIN' DEAL. I didn't ask them to join the service. Did they not know what they were getting into when they signed up?

TERB is a community. If one of us dies, do we all gather together and celebrate the person who died. Cause we couldn't give one shits about each other here.

I'm suppose to feel sorry for this officier who died. I didn't know him or his family or his friends.

 

[Aardvark154]

TERB, never ceases to amaze me. Given that this is an escort review board, it does not supprise me that the majority of members are to the left of center, still some of the views expressed truly leave me shaking my head.

Come on one funeral and all some people can think of is did 1/2 a cent from my tax bill go to pay for this, and how dare they block off a street, even though it was the middle of the day and I wasn't driving at the time.

 

[fuji]

No dodge, I answered the question and at least have something to base it on. You, almost pure speculation based on whatever.

More evasion. You don't have an answer to this point so you're trying to run from it as fast as you can:

Military families are not extended the same kind of huge public gala funeral that was on display yesterday, even if they want one.