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moviefan

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You don't like the police? Huh... that's your right. 364 days a year you can shoot your mouth off about that. A good man is dead. Hold your tongue, you pathetic, whiny cowards.
While some of the posters who think the funeral was over the top may dislike the police, that's not true for all.
 

GPIDEAL

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The Fruity Hare and blackrock13 - your long posts were excellent. Hard to add to them.

Cops put their lives on the line for us all, constantly. Up until the day they retire, they could die in an instant. Protecting us. That's the difference. Protecting us, whether we appreciate it or not (even when we don't appreciate it, in fact).

The funeral was as much for other cops as for the poor fallen officer. What is their motivation to put their lives on the line for us? Its not the money - not paid enough for what they do. And its not ego - good fucking grief!! Its a sense of duty that most of us don't have, and a commitment to public service that most of us don't have, that keeps them from quitting and living an easier life. They need to see that they are supported, that what they do matters, that someone cares, that their families will be cared for if they themselves die in the line of duty. A giant funeral is immensely important to fostering the spirit of brotherhood that keeps these guys motivated.

Look, if you have never served in the military or been a cop or a firefighter or even an EMS guy, you most likely don't understand the importance of brotherhood and the concept of being part of a community team that deals with life and death every day. Its kind of like the support that a hockey team or football team gives itself while on the field, but bigger - because it deals with life and death. That's fine, you don't get it and you won't get it. Most of our jobs are about ourselves, not about a community. What you are seeing at this giant funeral, as well as at the military repatriation ceremonies, is a community reinforcing its values. Its vitally important to them, even if its not important to you.

Again, life and death here, on our behalf.

Anyhow, if a giant funeral when someone dies keeping me safe, is part of what is needed to thank and acknowledge and motivate the people who put their asses on the line when the rest of us curl up in a ball and call for their help, then I'm happy to support it and even pay for it. I can hate cops as much as the next guy - they fuck up and they can get egotistical and sometimes they don't realize the difference between law enforcement and policing. But, they'll come running when we call 911, not knowing what they're getting into on arrival. This guy got freaking killed trying to save lives. He deserves a giant fucking funeral for that.
Another thumbs up. Thank you for your comment.

(Listen, I heard shots fired near my office about two months ago, and I called the cops and they were there fast to check out the area! I'm glad I can resort to them if need be.)
 

blackrock13

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There's probably a happy meeting in the middle somewhere. Soldiers more. Police less. At any rate I can't accept that soldiers sacrifice any less for their country than police do!
The police officer's wife had the last word on whether to allow this funeral to be a private or public affair. Her wishes were that the celebration should be public. No politics there. Did you ever think that the families of the fallen soldiers wanted their celebrations to be private and therefore they were?

I spent the Xmas season in a community that lost a number of young soldiers in A'stan and their sacrifice is still remembered, in one case after 5(?) years during Sunday services and flowers are still placed under their pictures on BB and at the cenotaph. nobody is forgetting them in that little corner of Canada.
 

Aardvark154

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The only possible, serious complaint with the funeral would be if it was on the tax-payers dime.
Do those who are complaining suppose that burial parties, limber and gun carriage etc. . . . at military funerals are not "on the clock"? Do you complain about that as well? I truly hope not!
 

Kilgore Trout

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10 Most Dangerous Professions in U.S. (Death Rate on job per 100,00 workers)

1 Logging workers 92.4
2 Aircraft pilots 92.4
3 Fishers 86.4
4 Iron and steel workers 47.0
5 Garbage collectors 43.2
6 Farmers and ranchers 37.5
7 Roofers 34.9
8 Electrical power line installers/repairers 30.0
9 Truck drivers 27.6
10 Taxi drivers 24.2


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Police Officers 8.9 (58 deaths , 655,000 police officers)

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/26/pf/jobs_jeopardy/
 

blackrock13

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10 Most Dangerous Professions in U.S. (Death Rate on job per 100,00 workers)

1 Logging workers 92.4
2 Aircraft pilots 92.4
3 Fishers 86.4
4 Iron and steel workers 47.0
5 Garbage collectors 43.2
6 Farmers and ranchers 37.5
7 Roofers 34.9
8 Electrical power line installers/repairers 30.0
9 Truck drivers 27.6
10 Taxi drivers 24.2


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Police Officers 8.9 (58 deaths , 655,000 police officers)

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/26/pf/jobs_jeopardy/
I'm guessing you're trying to make a point that was countered and put in proper perspective earlier in post #124. The body count alone is not a true indication of how dangerous a particular job is.
 

big dogie

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This cop really picked a bad time to slip and fall, that is apparently what happened or he would be here today. Does it change your point of view that he tripped or slipped? How does that make him a hero? He had time to get out of the way, but the police do't want that to be heard..why? The mentally ill fellow that was driving the truck was shot three times by the police, how come he's alive? Life is so strange sometimes...

b d

Ps: the most dangerous job has to be a night time variety store clerk.... couldn't pay me enough for that job
 

kelli

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how do the garbage collectors die?

that just seems like extreme stupidity
They probably get hit by motorists on the roads while they're working. Just like construction workers and tow truck drivers. They face danger from speeding/distracted/intoxicated drivers on a daily basis.
What did you think they fell into the garbage disposal bin and were squat to death b/c they were idiots? Think before you post.
 

Sniper Jr.

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Even if you go along with the idea that a police officer's death in the line of duty deserves more attention than the average person's death, at some point you have to question how much more? Does it really deserve more attention than every other death in Toronto for the past year combined?

Certainly this officer's death is very sad news, but the media has been consumed by this and nothing else for the past week. Downtown was essentially closed off for a good part of this morning... that's more than just making sure you have enough space to accomodate demand. At some point, you have to expect that even some people who are generally supportive of the police would question the level of attention this story is getting, and the massive scale of the funeral.
 

Social Gent

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The guy died and it's a tragedy. But does it warrant shutting down half the city, thousands of cops from all over and speeches by Fantino and others?

Young men die in Afghaniustan almost weekly and no equiivalent fuss is made.

It looks like a giant effort to take spotlight off the G20 excesses and save Blair's job.
I didnt' read through every post on here, just the first page.
So, forgive me for that.
Secondly, forgive me for this too, as it is pretty blunt;
Why don't you, and everyone else on here who agrees with you, have some Fu**ing balls and put your actual names, addresses, and driver's license numbers up here. See how fast a police officer comes to save you or your property on the occasion you may need them.
Policing is one of the most thankless jobs in this country. One minute, they are saving a woman from her abusive boyfriend. The next day, she is trying to kick them in the bag when they serve a warrant to search for her abusive boyfriend's drugs and weapons cache.

This was pretty standard for a police funeral. I didn't see you throwing a huge hoopla given all the commotion for that unfortunate OPP officer who was killed in the shootout near London last year.
It is a big deal when an officer dies in the line of duty, particularly for the major municipalities. It is in part a show of force and solidarity; our brothers and sisters will not be forgotten, and we will not let anyone get away with it.

Instead of buying your coffee tomorrow morning, go donate 5 bucks to a charity honouring Sgt. Russel's child, or alternatively, something to the multiple military charities for the education funds of the children of slain soldiers.
 

The Fruity Hare

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The guy died and it's a tragedy. But does it warrant shutting down half the city, thousands of cops from all over and speeches by Fantino and others?

Young men die in Afghaniustan almost weekly and no equiivalent fuss is made.

It looks like a giant effort to take spotlight off the G20 excesses and save Blair's job.

Was there also a hidden agenda for the previous funerals of Toronto police officers killed on duty?


Police tragedies in Toronto have always received an outpouring of support from other forces in North America. In 1994, around 6,000 officers attended Cst. Todd Baylis' funeral. Four years later, more than 10,000 attended the funeral for Det. Cst. William Hancox.

http://www.newstalk1010.com/News/localnews/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10192203
 

blackrock13

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This cop really picked a bad time to slip and fall, that is apparently what happened or he would be here today. Does it change your point of view that he tripped or slipped? How does that make him a hero? He had time to get out of the way, but the police do't want that to be heard..why? The mentally ill fellow that was driving the truck was shot three times by the police, how come he's alive? Life is so strange sometimes...

b d

Ps: the most dangerous job has to be a night time variety store clerk.... couldn't pay me enough for that job
Of course you based this statement on something I hope.
 

blackrock13

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Even if you go along with the idea that a police officer's death in the line of duty deserves more attention than the average person's death, at some point you have to question how much more? Does it really deserve more attention than every other death in Toronto for the past year combined?

Certainly this officer's death is very sad news, but the media has been consumed by this and nothing else for the past week. Downtown was essentially closed off for a good part of this morning... that's more than just making sure you have enough space to accomodate demand. At some point, you have to expect that even some people who are generally supportive of the police would question the level of attention this story is getting, and the massive scale of the funeral.
No one here is claiming his deserves more, but it gets what it gets for reason already stated by a number of members. Again would you be the person to stand there and tell some of those who attended the funeral that they can't attend. You do you think you are that you can do that.

Did you actually go down town. I doubt it for reasons again already stated. The downtown was not 'essentially closed down'. There was no more a traffic jam than you get from a Santa Claus/Grey Cup parade and it lasted only 3 hours. I have a sense you did not read many of the posts either, especially the longer ones.
 
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No one here is claiming his deserves more, but it gets what it gets for reason already stated by a number of members. Again would you be the person to stand there and tell some of those who attended the funeral that they can't attend. You do you think you are that you can do that.

Did you actually go down town. I doubt it for reasons again already stated. The downtown was not 'essentially closed down'. There was no more a traffic jam than you get from a Santa Claus/Grey Cup parade and it lasted only 3 hours. I have a sense you did not read many of the posts either, especially the longer ones.
Oh shut the fuck up and go to bed you've been at this thread all fucking day.

Take a step back from your computer and look out your window if there is one where you reside.

Go out there.
 

blackrock13

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Oh shut the fuck up and go to bed you've been at this thread all fucking day.

Take a step back from your computer and look out your window if there is one where you reside.

Go out there.
You are obviously not paying attention. We're getting use to that though. Slow day in court today officer.

It's interesting that Nuttyboi hasn't dumped on you for being a double dipper. I guess he was just spouting off, again.
 

chargerfan

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way over the top. the money could have been used for something else. A lot of people die at work- their funerals are not tax funded. But all is good, the cops will resume their jobs tomorrow and arrest minorities in disproportionate numbers........
 

blackrock13

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way over the top. the money could have been used for something else. A lot of people die at work- their funerals are not tax funded. But all is good, the cops will resume their jobs tomorrow and arrest minorities in disproportionate numbers........
Again, not paying attention. What money are you talking about? What tax money was spent on this funeral? Let me guess you're going to complain about the fuel used to transport the large number of mourner from the various hotels to the mustering points and move the fire trucks to the place where they formed the arch supporting the Canadian flag and back; possibly all of 3 blocks.
 

BigBlueBobby

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It looks like a giant effort to take spotlight off the G20 excesses and save Blair's job.
BINGO!

way over the top. the money could have been used for something else. A lot of people die at work- their funerals are not tax funded. But all is good, the cops will resume their jobs tomorrow and arrest minorities in disproportionate numbers........
I'm surprised a thousand random people weren't needlessly detained today to mark the occasion.
 

Thunderballs

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I swear that some people on this board must actually be retarded to express the views they do. It depresses me to think that I might be putting my cock in the same vaginas as these morons. Thankfully, judging by the overwhelming show of support today by the public, these knuckle-draggers are clearly in the minority. A police funeral has absolutely nothing to do with you or me. Get over yourselves morons. It is about a brotherhood coming together to mourn the loss of one of their own and to show support for the family left behind. That is why cops and firemen and EMS workers come from all over North America to attend. Do you go to work each day knowing that you could very well be killed doing your job? Well these folks know it and so do their families and they still put their lives on the line everyday to save your skin when it needs saving. And only someone who does that day in and day out can understand the sheer tragedy of such a loss. And don't give me this BS that I work in construction and shit happens. Good for you, take it up with your union you under-educated fuck. Is your job so dangerous that you have to wear a fucking gun everyday? I swear that if you told me to my face that this funeral was a waste of time and resources, I would punch you right in the mouth. And while you were crying and picking your teeth up off the sidewalk I would say, now who do you want to call?
 
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