At least they get paid well with great benefits. It was well worth it. These guys get paid more than a Canadian soldier.
Is the police funeral over the top?
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If 10,000 people showed up, they would.Evasion. You're still trying to dodge the point: There is differential treatment here and you know it. Even if a military family wanted a public service--and no doubt out of 153 at least ONE did--they would not get the kind of all star gala show, complete with massive parade, that was put on yesterday.
so you are expecting something else from the rest of the people that go here? we can all speculate all we want but at the end of the day...what percentage of the LE force joined to serve and protect and percentage of the LE force joined because of the pay & benefits vs. the hazards that comes with it but still think it's worth it?TERB, never ceases to amaze me. Given that this is an escort review board, it does not supprise me that the majority of members are to the left of center, still some of the views expressed truly leave me shaking my head.
Come on one funeral and all some people can think of is did 1/2 a cent from my tax bill go to pay for this, and how dare they block off a street, even though it was the middle of the day and I wasn't driving at the time.
In part that is because the Military Section at Beechwood Cemetary isn't Arlington National Cemetary moved north.they would not get the kind of all star gala show, complete with massive parade, that was put on yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdDFoCk76NU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRgVAEwe3d0&feature=related
No one here can answer that question, but you could ask some on the job. There are people like you describe, but I doubt many police like being shot at, spit on, put in lose/lose situations, can expect to have a failed marriage/family life and have a god chance of burnout by the time you're 40.so you are expecting something else from the rest of the people that go here? we can all speculate all we want but at the end of the day...what percentage of the LE force joined to serve and protect and percentage of the LE force joined because of the pay & benefits vs. the hazards that comes with it but still think it's worth it?
Yes, but is that taking into account housing, and also the cost of living in Toronto?At least they get paid well with great benefits. It was well worth it. These guys get paid more than a Canadian soldier.
Further, should not the cause perhaps be increasing the pay and benefits for the CAF rather than complaining about the Toronto Police Service?
this is like a walk in the park for any convenience store clerk working $10.50 / hr + premium...without handguns...but...they don't serve & protect. They're only there when you needed condoms or some scratch & win when you're bored.being shot at, spit on, put in lose/lose situations, can expect to have a failed marriage/family life and have a god chance of burnout by the time you're 40.
Hey, I couldn't work in a corner store in this city. It's a tough job. No allusion here.this is like a walk in the park for any convenience store clerk working $10.50 / hr + premium...without handguns...but...they don't serve & protect. They're only there when you needed condoms or some scratch & win when you're bored.
What does this matter? As pointed out some number of posts before an iron worker or almost anyone else can in the middle of the work day say I quit. Do you believe a police Constable can say I don't want to respond to that armed robbery, I quit?what percentage of the LE force joined to serve and protect and percentage of the LE force joined because of the pay & benefits vs. the hazards that comes with it but still think it's worth it?
A cop dying here in the line of duty is fortunately a very rare event and understandably a big deal for them and most of the public.
It's not like it happens all the time and we are desensitized.
If 12,000 cops want to attend the funeral procession and service, who the fuck are you to say they shouldn't be allowed?
If 12,000 soldiers wanted to have a public service for a comrade, I'm sure the cops would gladly clear the route and pay their respects.
Given the shear numbers, this simply isn't practical.
The cops clear the 401 and DVP in the middle of the day for each repatriation procession and thousands of people pay their respects along the route.
This is practical and touching.
12,000 cops chose to pay their respects and support the fallen officer's family.
Doesn't mean his life was worth more than a soldier's.
This comparison is illogical and irrelevant no matter how many times it is repeated.
It's not like it happens all the time and we are desensitized.
If 12,000 cops want to attend the funeral procession and service, who the fuck are you to say they shouldn't be allowed?
If 12,000 soldiers wanted to have a public service for a comrade, I'm sure the cops would gladly clear the route and pay their respects.
Given the shear numbers, this simply isn't practical.
The cops clear the 401 and DVP in the middle of the day for each repatriation procession and thousands of people pay their respects along the route.
This is practical and touching.
12,000 cops chose to pay their respects and support the fallen officer's family.
Doesn't mean his life was worth more than a soldier's.
This comparison is illogical and irrelevant no matter how many times it is repeated.
yes. they can quit. are you saying they can't quit or go on stress leave?What does this matter? As pointed out some number of posts before an iron worker or almost anyone else can in the middle of the work day say I quit. Do you believe a police Constable can say I don't want to respond to that armed robbery, I quit?
You are mistaking what I'm saying. The point is that an iron worker can walk off the job any time they wish, save perhaps when they have half secured a girder. Do you honestly believe that isn't different for the police constable? Have you ever heard the terms "mission essential" or "warm body for warm body?"yes. they can quit. are you saying they can't quit or go on stress leave?
Maybe each should trend towards the average---more for soldiers, less for police, until they meet in the middle?Yes, but is that taking into account housing, and also the cost of living in Toronto?
Further, should not the cause perhaps be increasing the pay and benefits for the CAF rather than complaining about the Toronto Police Service?
I suspect the difference here is that the Police have a union, and not anything related to the level of danger or training or the difficulty of their jobs. The police union has extorted excessive rents from the public, while the non-unionized military is underpaid. It's the way things work in other union/non-union scenarios so it's reasonable to think it's the same with the military versus the police.
Simplify
What we have realize is, this all boils down to, UNIONS.
It is all about solidarity, we have entitlement, we deserve more than the general public just because, AND, we are bigger than you.
Its just that simple, ANYBODY can quite their job, at any time, but with unionized people, its never a consideration.
For the average working person if he/she doesn’t like the conditions of their employment, they have no choice, they have to quit.
Not stop doing their job and be protected by the government and ask for more, more, more, for less less work.
Glad I could help, FAST
What we have realize is, this all boils down to, UNIONS.
It is all about solidarity, we have entitlement, we deserve more than the general public just because, AND, we are bigger than you.
Its just that simple, ANYBODY can quite their job, at any time, but with unionized people, its never a consideration.
For the average working person if he/she doesn’t like the conditions of their employment, they have no choice, they have to quit.
Not stop doing their job and be protected by the government and ask for more, more, more, for less less work.
Glad I could help, FAST
So large size funerals are a result of unions. Riiiight!What we have realize is, this all boils down to, UNIONS.
It is all about solidarity, we have entitlement, we deserve more than the general public just because, AND, we are bigger than you.
Its just that simple, ANYBODY can quite their job, at any time, but with unionized people, its never a consideration.
For the average working person if he/she doesn’t like the conditions of their employment, they have no choice, they have to quit.
Not stop doing their job and be protected by the government and ask for more, more, more, for less less work.
Glad I could help, FAST
The only thing you seemed to have helped was to inflate your opinion of yourself.
The death of Alanander Junior Manon is still on my mind. He was beaten to death by several police officers while having a neck brace on his neck and just recently the S.I.U. cleared the officers who murdered him.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/01/14/siu-clears-toronto-police-officers-in-death-of-teen/
Ask yourself, how does an unarmed teen end up DYING after a routine traffic stop?
Where is his big funeral? Just some write up somewhere and shelved away.
Here is a white officer with a white wife and two white daughters are now glorified as icons and there is a major funeral. I call hypocracy on this society.
This officer's life is worth more than a yonge aspiring teen that had a future that was killed on a traffic stop. Yeah, I'd say it's over the top.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/01/14/siu-clears-toronto-police-officers-in-death-of-teen/
Ask yourself, how does an unarmed teen end up DYING after a routine traffic stop?
Where is his big funeral? Just some write up somewhere and shelved away.
Here is a white officer with a white wife and two white daughters are now glorified as icons and there is a major funeral. I call hypocracy on this society.
This officer's life is worth more than a yonge aspiring teen that had a future that was killed on a traffic stop. Yeah, I'd say it's over the top.
What
Plus, I didn't say unions cause big funerals, just to explain the attitude behind it.
Need any more help blackrock13, FAST
How was what I said anything to do with me, but now that you mention it, anybody who doesn't belong to union, has to stand on their own two feet, so I guess that does makes me better than a union person.So large size funerals are a result of unions. Riiiight!
The only thing you seemed to have helped was to inflate your opinion of yourself.
Plus, I didn't say unions cause big funerals, just to explain the attitude behind it.
Need any more help blackrock13, FAST
The large turnout at the funeral the other day has very little to do with unions and more to do with friendship, loyalty to and faith in your teammates and just plain grief at the loss of the life of someone you know.How was what I said anything to do with me, but now that you mention it, anybody who doesn't belong to union, has to stand on their own two feet, so I guess that does makes me better than a union person.
Plus, I didn't say unions cause big funerals, just to explain the attitude behind it.
Need any more help blackrock13, FAST
Then you go and confirm what I said by saying your better than union members based on their need for support and are lesser people because of it. I too am not a union member, and self employed to boot, but find myself often working along side them, sometime getting asked to help out on a job because I'm good at what I do. I certainly don't feel that I'm better than they are.
... and what is 'it', the large funeral? Hogwash, the reason is simply as I explained it in para #1.
Who organized it? Wasn't it the union?So large size funerals are a result of unions. Riiiight!
That the cop died while trying to protect us, the public, including trying to protect the life of the snowplow driver, makes the story especially sad. Would expect that the funeral would be as big If the cop was not white.Here is a white officer with a white wife and two white daughters are now glorified as icons and there is a major funeral..
If the white driver of the snowplow was killed, I would doubt that the reaction from the public would be any different than the reaction after the death of the Alanander Junior Manon.
Have known a couple of people who blacked out for one reason or another, got into a car and started to driving it around smashing into stuff, and later woke up in the hospital not knowing what happened. One was due to some sort of epileptic seizure. Mostly the police or public can stop the car, and there is not much of a problem.
Wondering what happened to the driver of the snowplow, and if he has a clue what happened or why. That he was running around outside with no shoes on is messed up. The guy has had no real problems with police in the past.
