Commander of CFB Trenton charged with murder, sexual assualt, and home invasion
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Is Fuji banned again?? What did he do this time??
The guy is like a yoyo, ban--reinstated--ban--reinstated--ban--reinstated--ban
The guy is like a yoyo, ban--reinstated--ban--reinstated--ban--reinstated--ban
To command Camp Mirage he would have to have had a Top Secret clearance. That requires interviews by CSIS, not psychs, including interviews and background checks of family and friends. The concern is whether there is any reason a guy could be blackmailed or might take actions to betray his country. Its a security clearance not a mental clearance. The mental clearance is much looser. When a person enrols in the CF he is screened by a series of tests - aptitude and psych are part of them, and a number of interviews with questions written by experts but administered by Recruiters. To that end the CF is very effective at screening out the weirdos who want to join the Army to kill brown people or to boss people around or are at risk of "losing it" with a machine gun. They don't want that at all, despite what people whose only knowledge of the military is having watched Full Metal Jacket 19 times, might think.
After that, there is occasional psych screening but it is more aimed at general mental health and well-being, trying to determine whether a guy has PTSD or if a family or stress-related situation could impact his ability to do his job. The (untrained in mental health) chain of command used to be able to make assessments of a person's general mental health but being a fluffy socialist country, those with apparent problems are now referred to a case worker and the chain is not ALLOWED to know what's going on in a guy's head. The member's privacy is more important. The chain of command is simply told whether the has any employment restrictions. These assessments are usually done by civilian mental health doctors, if someone is felt to be "off" or if he self-identifies as having a problem. But, for the most part, a guy like Williams wouldn't undergo any serious head tests and if he did, it was likely administered by a social worker and like I say was simply to determine whether he was too stressed to do whatever job he was up for.
As a pilot, he may have had a few more detailed tests administered than a more typical soldier/sailer/airman would have, but I am not sure. And, those tests would have been designed to determine his ability handle cockpit skills such as multi-tasking, rapid assessment and decision making, effectiveness under severe stress and time constraints, stamina, etc. Are these similar aptitudes of a serial killer? Maybe. But, like I think aardvark said, 800 000 other people with those qualities WON'T go on to kill anyone.
This guy must be a VERY DEEP psychopath. Throughout his career he would have been working in very close proximity to A-type personalities, hard working hard chargers with high performance standards. Both in squadrons and on courses he would have been working and playing in very tight proximity to guys who would have had ample opportunity to identify if a nut was loose. It would also have come out in the decisions he made and his interactions with his peers and superiors. Who the hell can screen for that type of mental defect though? If he was simply a 'weirdo' that would have been known and he likely would have failed to progress much in rank. But no one goes into a work relationship wondering whether a guy is a serial killer.
After that, there is occasional psych screening but it is more aimed at general mental health and well-being, trying to determine whether a guy has PTSD or if a family or stress-related situation could impact his ability to do his job. The (untrained in mental health) chain of command used to be able to make assessments of a person's general mental health but being a fluffy socialist country, those with apparent problems are now referred to a case worker and the chain is not ALLOWED to know what's going on in a guy's head. The member's privacy is more important. The chain of command is simply told whether the has any employment restrictions. These assessments are usually done by civilian mental health doctors, if someone is felt to be "off" or if he self-identifies as having a problem. But, for the most part, a guy like Williams wouldn't undergo any serious head tests and if he did, it was likely administered by a social worker and like I say was simply to determine whether he was too stressed to do whatever job he was up for.
As a pilot, he may have had a few more detailed tests administered than a more typical soldier/sailer/airman would have, but I am not sure. And, those tests would have been designed to determine his ability handle cockpit skills such as multi-tasking, rapid assessment and decision making, effectiveness under severe stress and time constraints, stamina, etc. Are these similar aptitudes of a serial killer? Maybe. But, like I think aardvark said, 800 000 other people with those qualities WON'T go on to kill anyone.
This guy must be a VERY DEEP psychopath. Throughout his career he would have been working in very close proximity to A-type personalities, hard working hard chargers with high performance standards. Both in squadrons and on courses he would have been working and playing in very tight proximity to guys who would have had ample opportunity to identify if a nut was loose. It would also have come out in the decisions he made and his interactions with his peers and superiors. Who the hell can screen for that type of mental defect though? If he was simply a 'weirdo' that would have been known and he likely would have failed to progress much in rank. But no one goes into a work relationship wondering whether a guy is a serial killer.
Just two minor quibbles, but his clearance would have been "higher" than Top Secret (what's referred to as Top Secret/Special Access), and CSIS would not have been the ones handling it. DND handles their own security clearances internally through the Provost Marshall's office.
Kingfisher, I will confess I don't know what a "psychopath" really is. I've no idea. All I meant to say was "nutbar" or "headcase" or something to that effect. And evil, yes. I guess its a matter of can someone be evil without being mentally broken in some way. Again, I am not an expert in that field so all I can offer is an uninformed opinion that it is not a normal mental state, to be evil. But I can't sustain that position in a debate.
Yes you are right on the first quibble but wrong on the second. The Top Secret interviews I have been involved with, anyhow, were all conducted by CSIS contractors - usually retired "spies" or retired RCMP, padding their pensions.
Don't hang this one on the military. Murderers come from all walks of life.
1) Paul Bernardo was a failed accountant.
2) Robert Picton was a pig farmer.
3) Rafferty is a jerk.
4) John Wayne Gacy was a clown.
5)
1) Paul Bernardo was a failed accountant.
2) Robert Picton was a pig farmer.
3) Rafferty is a jerk.
4) John Wayne Gacy was a clown.
5)
I'm actually quite correct on the second one. Perhaps the Provost Marshall's office has seconded or hired some former CSIS or RCMP officers to fill out their ranks, but I know for a fact that it is the Provost's office that handles the interviews, at a minimum for those who are going in theatre. Perhaps they only handle the Special Access ones themselves and have CSIS do the straight Top Secret ones. It may also have been a recent change (I know the responsibility for doing the security clearances for the broader public service has gone back and forth between the RCMP and CSIS more than a few times over the years, this could be another example of that). CSIS would still handle the security clearances for the rest of government, with the exception of the RCMP who also do their own security clearances internally.
But really, that's neither here nor there for the purpose of the thread. Whoever conducted the interview, it would not have been a psych evaluation.
I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree. Raping and killing vulnerable women is a sex thing, not a personality thing. It's like a guy who was 99% "normal" in the 50's, but had a gay secret life. Or the guy who is 99% normal, but likes wearing women's clothes in private. Except with this guy, his scenes and what he had to conceal were a lot more elaborate.
Are the guys on TERB psychiatrically weird because they secretly boff escorts?
Are the guys on TERB psychiatrically weird because they secretly boff escorts?
If Russ Williams has been charged with 2 break and enters then there is probably more. Something that may not have come to people's attention is that in the fall of 2008, there were a few break-ins in his neighborhood where he previously lived in Orleans. The only things that were taken were women's lingere. It happened during the weekend and no one was home. I know people that live in that area and someone who lived on one of the streets had their house broken into. Police were canvassing the area to see if anyone saw anything.
I wonder if there is a connection there.... He lived a block away from these houses that were broken into and stealing women's undergarments suggests something that could escalate into a sexual assault or he could have been stalking his next victim. http://ottawapolice.ca/en/MediaRoom/NewsReleases/08-10-31/d9b586d5-547e-46ed-bfb0-d16b4eddb0b4.aspx The victims of the break and entries were told that the perpetrator was caught in another part of Orleans while committing a break and entry, was arrested and then sent to the Royal Ottawa hospital for a psych evaluation. Who knows if they had the right person or not.
I wonder if there is a connection there.... He lived a block away from these houses that were broken into and stealing women's undergarments suggests something that could escalate into a sexual assault or he could have been stalking his next victim. http://ottawapolice.ca/en/MediaRoom/NewsReleases/08-10-31/d9b586d5-547e-46ed-bfb0-d16b4eddb0b4.aspx The victims of the break and entries were told that the perpetrator was caught in another part of Orleans while committing a break and entry, was arrested and then sent to the Royal Ottawa hospital for a psych evaluation. Who knows if they had the right person or not.
3 of the most notorious murders in recent years happened in small town Ontario.
1) Tweed
2) St. Catherines
3) Woodstock
1) Tweed
2) St. Catherines
3) Woodstock
And possibly around his old neighborhood. The stolen lingere speaks volumes. How many break and enters do you hear about that states that women's lingere were the only items stolen? Most articles or items stolen from B&E's are of some value. And it happened in his own neighborhood. What are the odds?
Rape is about sex. It's about obtaining sex through the use of force. There are many forms of control that are non-sexual however rape is specific to sex.
A man beating a woman is about power and control but it is not rape because it doesn't involve sex.
Killing is about power but the act of murder or its aftermath may also be sexual for him. There have been guys who cum hardest only after they killed their victims.
Williams had previously been posted to a maritime patrol squadron in Nova Scotia, at which time his security clearance would have been upgraded from Secret to Top Secret. After that point, he would have remained at Top Secret throughout his career. As mentioned, he may have had special accesses assigned as required, however none of this is on point, since security clearances have nothing to do with psychological clearances. My statement earlier regarding the testing for fighter pilots meant ONLY fighter pilots. Col Williams is a TRANSPORT pilot - it's like comparing an Indy 500 or NASCAR driver with a bus or taxi driver. Not in even in the same ball park.
There may have been some kind of stressor that set this guy off, and without that stressor he could have been fine and never done anything that would have caused a problem. Or maybe he really is a classic sociopath like Ted Bundy who was able to commit crimes for years without being discovered.
There may have been some kind of stressor that set this guy off, and without that stressor he could have been fine and never done anything that would have caused a problem. Or maybe he really is a classic sociopath like Ted Bundy who was able to commit crimes for years without being discovered.
Psychopaths are those who show a series of dysfunctional personality characteristics, associated with Antisocial Personality Disorder or Dissocial Personality Disorder including a lack of empathy and guilt, egocentrism and impulsiveness. Generally they have leaned to adapt and appear to be normal and frequently charming, they almost never are psychotic (having a loss of contact with reality - hallucinations). As a non-Psychiatrist, non-Psychologist the most important factors seem to be those I've bolded everything revolves around them and there is utterly no empathy or appreciation for others.
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As others have said it involves both, sex as well as power/control. To argue as to which component is the more important is foolish, when clearly it is a melange or perhaps better a menage of all.
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What could prove interesting is if there was any indication as to his sexual deviance in the past in which the military chose to look the other way. For example, if a female soldier had complained about him. If it breaks to the media that this is indeed the case, the military will have some explaining to do.
The other thing is as is now being talked about in the media - the cold case files. This guy just didn't graduate to murder from nowhere.
It's going to get interesting....
The other thing is as is now being talked about in the media - the cold case files. This guy just didn't graduate to murder from nowhere.
It's going to get interesting....
