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Commander of CFB Trenton charged with murder, sexual assualt, and home invasion

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Just going to mention the white elephant and see what happens:

The purpose of having a military is to kill other people. It's what they do. Maybe that is how he was able to kill people and go to work and act normal, in his mind, all part of the job?
No. I don't see that in this case.

If he were an infantryman who had a history of going through villes in Afghanistan, that's one thing.

But seems to me his position is part flyboy, part desk jockey, part figurehead.

It reminds me of the movie The Pentagon Wars:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144550/
 

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Just going to mention the white elephant and see what happens:

The purpose of having a military is to kill other people. It's what they do. Maybe that is how he was able to kill people and go to work and act normal, in his mind, all part of the job?
No, it doesn't literally work that way. Nothing in his training would have prepared him for the kind of stuff he's accused of. He may be highly disciplined, but pilots don't kill like that in the Air Force. they launch missiles from 10 miles+ range and head back to base for tea and medals.

In fact, even a lot of 'hard infantry-types' require PTSD counselling after they actually kill someone. They're not killer zombie robots.
 

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The purpose of having a military is to kill other people. It's what they do. Maybe that is how he was able to kill people and go to work and act normal, in his mind, all part of the job?
The military in Western democracies is trained to rat on each other if they see one of their own yell at a captured terrorist. This bastard would have done what he did whether as a civilian working for IBM or in the air force.
 

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Psychopaths often do well in the world - in business, politics, sports, the military, etc.
They can focus and remain detached, they've learned how to function very well and hide their defect. Exactly what these professions are looking for in people.
 

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He was a transport pilot. The planes he flew never even had guns on them.

As for fuji's attempt at inciting a controversy where there is none, no Western military trains its people to kill innocent women like this freak did.

Time for fuji to go on ignore. He no longer serves a purpose in here. And he enjoys that.
 

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His job and how he was trained to kill in the military has nothing to do with killing civillians. Sure, there are people in power who enjoy it but in most cases are there to do their job and to help people, not abuse it. He could be considered a sociopath which is what many serial killers are. They do not have feelings or remorse for anyone. So if a serial killer is in a position of power in his career, having this power on the job or in a way that is considered acceptable by society's standards doesn't satisfy them for some reason.

If this man (and I use this term loosely since I have had a negative firsthand account in dealing with him in another job) is now being tagged as a serial killer, there seems to be contradicting elements to what he has allegedly done. Most serial killers do not just start committing these offenses later on in life so obviously there are sitll missing pieces of the puzzle. No one seems to know anything about him other than what he has accomplished in his career along with other accolades. many of them them belnd in with society and tend to fly low under the radar. Also worth mentioning is that many serial killers do start raping women first and then killing but not late in life and not within just months of each other. It's usually at least a longer span from when they begin assaults and eventually committing murder. To go from assulting 2 women in September and then going on to kill 2 months later doesn't make sense for someone at this stage in his life based on the profile of a serial killer. Unless there are incidences that no one knows about or can specifically tie him to other cases.

This case also shows many parallels to that of the "BTK" killer. Someone who was well liked and respected in the community and also got off on having power in his job as by-law officer. He would threaten to take people's animals away and even once taking a woman's dog and putting it to sleep. Dennis Rader (BTK) also stalked and killed many victims close to hime even in his own neighborhood and now Russ Williams has been accused of assaulting a woman in his own neighborhood. The other victims he either knew or lived close to which is another tactic that serial killers use to find victims because they feel comfortable intheir own surroundings in case they need to make a quick escape.
 

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I would also like to point out that sociopaths and narcissists do very well in positions of leadership. Hitler and Stalin come to mind. The Americans had a psychiatrist go berserk with an automatic weapon a while ago. Mental health is a continuum. The fact that this guy did as well as he did in the military just meant he brought the same organizational ability to his work as he did to his "hobby". Assuming, of course, that he is guilty, which has yet to be proven. If you read up on sociopathy and narcissism, you might understand his "success" better.
 

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Mental health is a continuum. The fact that this guy did as well as he did in the military just meant he brought the same organizational ability to his work as he did to his "hobby". Assuming, of course, that he is guilty, which has yet to be proven. If you read up on sociopathy and narcissism, you might understand his "success" better.
From the very little that has been reported it would seem that the murders were committed by an "organized" killer this would fit with what 3wire and Alex-Ontario wrote above.

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From The Star today:

The once high-flying career military officer told investigators about four dozen break-ins in addition to the crimes he has been charged with, published reports say.

Williams, who has been charged with first-degree murder in the deaths of two women and the sexual assaults of two others, described the string of break-ins that followed the same pattern: stolen lingerie and lots of photographs, the Globe and Mail reported, quoting several sources
 

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tip of the iceberg

I heard a rumour that he is confessing to everything and so far there are 42 separate "incidents".
 

rafterman

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Holy shit what a nightmare.

Read in the G&M today that one of his victims' father's a lifetime career Air Force veteran. Can't imagine the grief.

Now he's confessing to it all wonder high long till his wife files for divorce?

Wonder if ultimately he is just going to plead guility in court?

Will the Forces courtmarshal him too or will he just resign?
 
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Hmm I didn't see that article. Still that's one of the bigger B.S. statements I've heard of a Newspaper making in some time.
(quote from another thread)

The Star article is here:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/762967--is-trenton-commander-a-macho-man-killer?bn=1

This is the relevant quote:

Macho Man killers, she said in an email Tuesday, tend to be articulate men with significant others who “do well in the workplace,” “are drawn to law enforcement or military,” display an obsessive-compulsive need for things to be “done a very specific way,” “prefer to dress in uniform,” and “stand up very straight, even in personal life.”

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Schurman-Kauflin, Zelig and Pat Brown, a profiler and U.S. television commentator, said Williams could have been drawn to the military by some of the same traits that made him an alleged offender.

Brown noted that a job as a military officer allows for “a level of extreme power and control,” the goal of many sex offenders. Zelig said many serial offenders possess low levels of anxiety; if this were true of Williams, it could partially explain his success as a military pilot. And Schurman-Kauflin said an offender may deliberately seek to attain an elite job because such a position would “help him in many ways,” such as minimizing the possibility he would be suspected of an offence.
 

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As to whether of any of this should actually taint the military itself, that will depend on a few things:

-- Did they encourage any behavior which could be described as deviant (think of the Canadian Airborne scandal)?

-- Did they cover up or ignore patterns of behavior that implied deviant behavior?

-- Do they now fully support the investigation, or do they close ranks and try and minimize the problem?

The nightmare scenario for the military is that there are some Canadian Airborne style elements to his past training (where their hazing process involved sexually degrading acts) and there were a litany of complaints about him that were swept under the rug.

Short of that I don't see why his behavior should reflect on the military any more than if he had been working in private industry.
 

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As to whether of any of this should actually taint the military itself, that will depend on a few things:

-- Did they encourage any behavior which could be described as deviant (think of the Canadian Airborne scandal)?

-- Did they cover up or ignore patterns of behavior that implied deviant behavior?

-- Do they now fully support the investigation, or do they close ranks and try and minimize the problem?

The nightmare scenario for the military is that there are some Canadian Airborne style elements to his past training (where their hazing process involved sexually degrading acts) and there were a litany of complaints about him that were swept under the rug.

Short of that I don't see why his behavior should reflect on the military any more than if he had been working in private industry.
Professor Douglas Bland of Queen's University puts it well “There is a separation between an institution and the acts of an individual. There is no suggestion that the culture of the Canadian military generated a character who would commit the kind of acts of which Col. Williams is accused."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-tarnish-militarys-reputation/article1462181/

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Professor Douglas Bland of Queen's University puts it well “There is a separation between an institution and the acts of an individual. There is no suggestion that the culture of the Canadian military generated a character who would commit the kind of acts of which Col. Williams is accused."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-tarnish-militarys-reputation/article1462181/

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Yeah, I agree. It looks like this guy never saw active combat? And there's no evidence he ever got Canadian Airborne Regiment style training?

When the Airborne guys tortured and killed Shidane Arone there were many published statements in the media that when you train a bunch of guys to be hardcore killers, sometimes they act like hardcore killers. However this guy appears to be a desk jockey, and presumably the extreme sexually degrading hazing practices in the Canadian military were ended after the inquest into Arone's death.

If he had come back from active combat in Afghanistan and been exposed to lots of horrendous stuff there it would be a bit different as well.
 
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