Zionism's Downward Spiral Continues: Now a Loyalty Oath for "Non-Jews"
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But you're spending a lot of time following an idiot into a silly argument and avoiding the issue at hand.....
OTB
An interesting twist: "The issue of the Jewishness of the state has nothing to do with the matter."
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...jewish-state-1.318613?localLinksEnabled=false
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...jewish-state-1.318613?localLinksEnabled=false
The requirement to take the proposed oath is not based on religion or race. it is required of all new citizens in the same way that new citizens of Canada are required to take an oath as follows:
I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful
and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty
Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada,
Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully
observe the laws of Canada
and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen.
The only substantive difference is that the proposed oath in Israel asks the new citizen regardless of his or here religious background to acknowledge that Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people. although I do not agree with it the fact is that this is a red herring raised but bashers of Israel like the clown.
Perhaps you missed the first paragraph of the article in post #1:
Cabinet ministers on Sunday approved by a majority vote a controversial amendment which would require every non-Jew wishing to become a citizen of Israel to pledge loyalty to "the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state."
Please explain how this is reasonable.
OTB
So its a state that's democratic if you're Jewish, then?
And if you're not, you can go join the others in the world's largest open air prison?
thats what hilarious about the rah rah Israel crowd, on the one hand they sing and dance about how Israel is wonderful democracy, and the only one in the Middle East, but then they compare it to such wonderful governments like Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria!!!!
How about setting your expectations a little higher there rah rah Israel crowd? try oh I dont know Canada, the US, Germany, the Netherlands!!! Because by those standards Eretz Israel fails, a nation based on an invisible realtor in the sky, the supermacy of one religious group over others and the poverty rates of non Jews is incredible.
Ok now its your turn to tell me about how bad Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia are
Yet it is evil incarnate for Israel to define themselves as a Jewish Democratic state.
Or they could just pick both. The U.S. is secular and it is a democratic state.
It's the nicest house in a shitty neighborhood......thats what hilarious about the rah rah Israel crowd, on the one hand they sing and dance about how Israel is wonderful democracy, and the only one in the Middle East, but then they compare it to such wonderful governments like Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria!!!!
How about setting your expectations a little higher there rah rah Israel crowd? try oh I dont know Canada, the US, Germany, the Netherlands!!! Because by those standards Eretz Israel fails, a nation based on an invisible realtor in the sky, the supermacy of one religious group over others and the poverty rates of non Jews is incredible.
Ok now its your turn to tell me about how bad Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia are
Your comments are equally true of the Israel can do no right and wrong crowds.....
OTB
It's just at some point it will become internally inconsistent, they will have to pick one - not yet with 70% of citizens being Jews but in 20-30 years......
OTB
Its true they could complete Lieberman's plan and ethnically cleanse all of Israel of Palestinians then declare it a democracy. Is that what you meant?
Or are you supporting a Jewish Israel with different rights for those of different religions/race, just like Iran?
I understand OTB's point. Israel's embracement of democracy will eventually cause its demise. As the Arab-Palestinian population overwhelms the Jewish population, they will vote the end of the Jewish state.
They will have to pick one, if they are a democracy where all citizens have the same rights/responsibilities then it's hard to be a Jewish state if a substantial portion (or majority) of your citizens are not Jewish.
OTB
LOL. you are quite right I misspoke. The oathe referred to has been approved by cabinet but not the full Knesset. There were alternatives and compromises offered which generally included making the oath applicable to all new citizens but you are quite right as passed by cabinet it applies to non-Jews.
As I said before I don't think the oath is necessary and I believe the entire issue and timing are unfortunate and simply feed the haters like you.
In any event Israel is one of the few countries in the middle east without a an official religion and the rights of all religions are protected. The rights of all religions and ethnic minorities are much safer and better protected than anywhere else in the Middle East. The proposed oath does not change that as much as you and your friends would like everyone to believe. It simply asks new non-Jewish citizens to acknowledge what had been acknowledged by the UN as the underpinning of the creation of Israel.
