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York Region men caught up in underage prostitute sting5 hours ago| By Jeremy Grimaldi

Underage prostitution sting

Prostitution is known as the oldest profession in the world.

But despite all the warnings about how the trade impacts women and how much of the riches go to pimps, it continues to be as popular as ever.

In modern times, police focused their time targeting the prostitutes rather than johns.

That failed strategy has slowly started to shift, as investigators realized it's the demand that drives the industry, not the supply.

Then came 2014's Bill C-36, which delivered a strong message: Canada's prostitution law is no longer about public nuisance, rather the protection of vulnerable persons

York Regional Police's VICE squad, which has not charged a sex worker in more than seven years, took this as a sign that action was needed.

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And so its members did.

In two separate stings over the past two years York police's VICE squad has been posing online as underage prostitutes and arresting men that hire and then try to meet up.

In all, 32 were charged with a variety of offences including luring.

During the first sting last year, York cops made 10 arrests.

They made an additional 22 more in four nights last week.

In each case, the men had hired the prostitutes, discovered their age, 16, and had plans to meet them at hotels around the region, including Markham, Vaughan and Richmond Hill.

The clients never got that far.

Once the johns, aged between 18 and 54, opened the door to the room, they were arrested and charged with luring and arrangement with a child for the purpose of sexual services and obtaining sexual services from a person under 18.

Justice was swift and harsh against four men who were arrested last year and chose to plead guilty.

Each was handed a sentence ranging between two and seven months in prison, along with between two and three years probation.

Some were placed on the sex offenders registry for 10 years and others have had to hand over DNA samples.

Those who haven't pled guilty continue to work their way through the justice system.

If there's one positive in the information garnered by those working undercover, it's that between 80 and 90 per cent of the johns who discovered the 'girl' was underage, did not engage.

For the rest, Det. Sgt. Peter Casey has little sympathy.

"Some of the messages would shock and disturb general public," he said. "We consider these men to be exploiters. Each and every one of the 32 knew exactly what they were purchasing and had lots of opportunity to disengage from the transaction."

He said he's not concerned about detailing exactly how police are arresting these men because he considers it a "warning" of sorts to the men who hire prostitutes.

"The person you are texting may be a cop," he said. "It's meant as a caution. Maybe they'll think twice before they start seeking someone in the sex trade, especially someone who is underage."

This was similar to a warning he gave to johns via yorkregion.com in February 2014, when he said: "I want to issue a caution to any johns out there who want to solicit sex trade workers," he said. "If a john was to find himself with a minor, he would be arrested, before the courts and facing a minimum six months conviction. That's a real possibility."

As for those arrested, Det. Sgt. Casey said the men used a vernacular and acronyms in the back and forth messages that indicated to him that they were not unfamiliar with prostitution.

"It's my belief that a majority of these johns are familiar with the industry," he said. "It's also my view that these johns know that anyone 15 or 16 years old are not woking willfully or on their own. In actual fact, they are contributing to the income of the pimp and exploitation of young women."

However, he said his message is not only to those seeking young girls, rather all johns.

"It's still illegal to hire a prostitute – we have just been focusing on young and vulnerable," he added.

As for those involved in the sex trade, he said many of these girls are from broken homes, while others are from middle class families that are lured into the industry by men posing as boyfriends.

"Anyone with any common sense knows a 16-year-old is not doing this work independently," he said.

Although he refused to speculate what percentage of women in the sex trade were underage, he said a recent project showed about 30 per cent of the women they interacted with were under 18.

Five of the men charged are from Markham, three from Richmond Hill, three from Whitchurch-Stouffville and two from Bradford.

http://m.yorkregion.com/news-story/6098731-york-region-men-caught-up-in-underage-prostitute-sting
 

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Wasn't there a thread about a ad everyone knew was a cop - and they said they were underage via text ? I can't find that thread anymore but this definitely must be connected to it. Pretty scary stuff
 

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The percentage of underage providers is really shocking. And sad.

I believe in a woman's choice to do what she wants, including providing adult services. But teenagers aren't old enough to make these choices and any men supporting this abuse should indeed pay a high cost.
 

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Not a stupid move on the Part of the York Region Police. There is nil sympathy for anyone engaging a 16 year old, and there is no way that such an arrest is going to become the Supreme Court test of C-36.
 

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The percentage of underage providers is really shocking. And sad.

I believe in a woman's choice to do what she wants, including providing adult services. But teenagers aren't old enough to make these choices and any men supporting this abuse should indeed pay a high cost.
I am with you on this one. Who the hell wants a young girl like this. Sick. And with Milfs, the LE will not bother us. They mainly want the underage and pimps. And this part I agree with.

C-36 came out last year and I still hobby with few select ladies I know and trust. Never a problem, but again they are all mature ladies.
 

Butler1000

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Good. The bastards need to get their asses busted.

And another good reason why I'll Be sticking to agencies for the near future.

As for Justin legalizing it? Busts like this will come up in the consultations. Don't think it won't weigh heavily.
 

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Good. The bastards need to get their asses busted.

And another good reason why I'll Be sticking to agencies for the near future.

As for Justin legalizing it? Busts like this will come up in the consultations. Don't think it won't weigh heavily.
I'm not really sure what your going on about here...

Trying to bust people seeing underage females as opposed to adults of legal age are two different issues all together.
 

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From the Criminal Code:
490.012 (1) When a court imposes a sentence on a person for an offence referred to in paragraph (a), (c), (c.1), (d), (d.1) or (e) of the definition “designated offence” in subsection 490.011(1) or renders a verdict of not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder for such an offence, it shall make an order in Form 52 requiring the person to comply with the Sex Offender Information Registration Act for the applicable period specified in section 490.013.

Section 286.1(2), ("obtains for consideration, or communicates with anyone for the purpose of obtaining for consideration, the sexual services of a person under the age of 18 years") is one of the designated offences.

So, prima facie, and assuming a conviction, it appears so.
Check your pm
 

Butler1000

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I'm not really sure what your going on about here...

Trying to bust people seeing underage females as opposed to adults of legal age are two different issues all together.
There are many on both the left and the right who see all SP's as victims. And will use cases like this as a blunt instrument to shout down opposition. That's the basis of the Nordic Model.

I agre it's two different issue. Advocates for criminalization don't. And politicians will take the easy way with headline grabbers like this and run with it so they can let the courts deal with it without any political fallout.
 

black booty lover

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And politicians will take the easy way with headline grabbers like this and run with it so they can let the courts deal with it without any political fallout.
They can do that all they want, it will have no legs to it at all.

Not to mention the liberals seem to be more than happy to work with sex workers about reforming the law again. The conservatives can't do shit for a while.
 

Butler1000

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They can do that all they want, it will have no legs to it at all.

Not to mention the liberals seem to be more than happy to work with sex workers about reforming the law again. The conservatives can't do shit for a while.
Again. If you think the Liberals are going to expend political capital on this then you are naive.

He has 25,000 refugees he wants to bring over by Jan 1st. That is going to cost us half a billion within one year. And they will have to be billetted for up to a year on military bases. Then he has to find housing for them.
There is only a 10 year waiting list and billion dollar repaair backlog already in Tononto, where most will end up.
He has a tax cut to pass. And is now discovering the difficulties with no caucus in the Senate to push legislation through. This is also going to affect his pot law promise. Cause delays.
And the enevitable things that come up in the course of time that he will have to manage.

This issue will NOT be decided by the legislature but the courts. And that will take years.
 

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How did the police set this up?

Did they post fake ads somewhere?

The article says that at some point the cops stated via text that they were 15 or 16 year old girls and the Johns had plenty of chances to back out. I'm curious how many guys did bail out when that was revealed? If it was the majority of targets or not.
 

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LOL, You obviously didn't read this thread. All your questions were already answered in this thread.

How did the police set this up?

Did they post fake ads somewhere?

The article says that at some point the cops stated via text that they were 15 or 16 year old girls and the Johns had plenty of chances to back out. I'm curious how many guys did bail out when that was revealed? If it was the majority of targets or not.
 

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York Region seems to have a penchant for this sort of thing. Their repeated assault on MPs years ago. Some SPs have told me how they have cruised the parking lots of hotels taking plates down and running them, either looking for drugs/pimps/underage girls/SPs or Johns. They have an obvious agenda and that is to take some Johns down and are using nefarious means to do so.

I in no way condone pimps and their using underage girls and unfortunately there are assholes out there seeking this sort of thing. The cops are just using BP as a means to an end in catching Johns with the bait that they seek. I say good on them if this all they are doing, but caveat emptor boys. When they are through with this part of their campaign, that girl you think is a gem in the future, may turn out to be a cop in lingerie, posing as an of age Sp.
 

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If there's one positive in the information garnered by those working undercover, it's that between 80 and 90 per cent of the johns who discovered the 'girl' was underage, did not engage
This is the only good part of the whole story.

I have zero sympathy for guys who KNOWINGLY try to bang underage SP's
 

Ridgeman08

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This is great news!

Protects underage girls by getting rid of the sickos that are trying to engage them!

I support this 100%. And we all should....
 
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