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jughead

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"Life is what happen when you are busy making plans"

I simply do not have the dispossible income to hobby more than once per year maybe to if I find some extra money some where or pick up cash work.
IT takes 100% of my income to manage right now.

This is only a temporay problem and I do hear what every one is saying buy the best do your self a favor, but when I do not have the $50 to buy boots with now where does more come from!
 

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jughead said:
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"Life is what happen when you are busy making plans"

I simply do not have the dispossible income to hobby more than once per year maybe to if I find some extra money some where or pick up cash work.
IT takes 100% of my income to manage right now.

This is only a temporay problem and I do hear what every one is saying buy the best do your self a favor, but when I do not have the $50 to buy boots with now where does more come from!
then you are a victim of the PETER PRINCPAL and you need to scale back
 

jughead

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My point exactly!

and I am trying as I said this in only a temporary problem there is light at the end of the tunnel!

that what one gets for thinking with the wrong head!
 

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hmmm wonder if I can talk my favorite lady into wearing work boots to bed... somehow it appeals to me.


Doe that fetish have a name?
It's called workmen's compensation:D .
 

jughead

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Thanks to all for your point of view and input.

I am hoping to get some sort of tax refund this years I haved for the last few year and my accountant thinks that I might get something as nothing major has change, which will pay some bills, maybe even allow some extra for boots or hobbing but I will have to wait until I have cash in hand as see what I can afford.

I must pay my bills first play later!
 

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The company giving you $50 is free money that your union got.

p.s. -- Your union reps are idiots. They might have been able to make more progress on wages or something when they were negotiating with the company. Instead they compromised on some issue in order to get you $50 for boots. Big fucking deal, wouldn't you have rather had a raise???

Ahh, yes. Yet another clueless person trying to speak about something which they know nothing about. :rolleyes:

It is most certainly NOT free money. Management always calculates the total labour cost they are willing to pay as part of negotiations. That includes everything, boot allowance or not. If you think management isn't multiplying that $50 by the number of employees, you're sadly mistaken and would learn the hard way during bargaining.

As for calling the union reps idiots, I think your own comments have clearly illustrated who is the idiot and who is not.

Sometimes during negotiations you can only get small items and $50 for boots might be worth more to the union than a $0.02/hour raise. The OP even said they'd be fighting for years to get a boot allowance. Going back to your constituents and saying, "We didn't get you your boot allowance but we got you $0.02 an hour" (if that) is going to get you a big WTF?!?! from your members. Actually, truth be told, you'd be the laughing stock of the warehouse as everyone would be telling you where you could should your 2 cents an hour.

Not to mention, $50 is now the starting point. Come the next collective agreement the union negotiators will probably be saying exactly what the OP already knows: you can't buy a pair of boots for $50 every two years. The $50 will become $75, then $100, and so on over the years. It all has to start somewhere.

My experience with work boots (when I was in warehousing) is that they last around 2 years for a quality pair. By then the sole has worn out. I used to pay around $80-90 for a pair of steel toed/shanked, high ankled, green triangle work boots from Zellers. I currently own a pair that cost me around $125-150 and they've lasted me around 4-5 years and are still going strong (granted, I'm no longer wearing them constantly for work).

p.s., congrats for getting a boot allowance. A lot of employers are too cheap to even consider it and think it's the employee's sole responsibility to pay for safety gear required for the job.
 

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These boots I am currently wearing should last me until late summer or fall so I have time. I have gotten some extra cash is still owed to me for doing some shoveling driveways. Summer is coming an Grass cutting season will help as well hopefully by the time I really need them I can afford to buy a really good pair but It never hurts to ask where a cheap pair can be bought just in case I cannot afford to I like to be prepared not stuck.

I spend less per month than I take in so I have a good start to paying my bills off, I am just trying to be careful not to get myself in real trouble financially though which is why I asked.

I know that I have sung the blues that I am broke, although I do owe some money it is comming down thanks to my cutbacks.
I just have to be carefull not to overspend.

Thanks to the chat guys some interesting points have been raised.
 

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the best advice i can give is Converse workboots. They cost around 150$, which i realize is over your given comp, but they are the most comfortable work boots you will ever own! I have averaged 1.5- 2 years per pair, and am on my third pair. They are lightweight and need virtually no "break-in" time. I recommend them to anyone who requires steeltoe work boots.
 

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I did have a pair of Redwings a few years ago and I got the resoled twice before the uppers were not presentalbe enough.

My extra money that I would normally save and spend on either hobbing or toys or really good work boots or what ever, it is currrently going toward my debit and I am unwilling to devert it from the goal of paying off my bebit. I have some old pairs that are still useable for a construction site but not for the Job that I do. In and out of a production plant, offices inside, outside they want them look good at all times because I deal with the public as well.

Althought the cheap pair simply does not last the are disposible once I need to replace them every 1.5 to 2 years. The 2 pairs of stanley I bought 4 or 5 year ago have been good and would buy them again. The are comfortable to where for my shift and have not problems with my feet, I'm in good shape says my chiropractor. They were a really good deal at the time, but I do not expect to find that again. Which is why I am asking for input, I just need alittle time to get over this hump and pay off my bills.
 

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I've been at my trade for 18 years now mainly in construction.

There's no such thing as comfortable work boots, 'cause when you're wearing work boots that means you're fuckin' workin'!
 

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There are some safety boot vendors in kensington market area on Agusta avenue. You can haggle with them on the price and at the same time check out some nice women in the area.
 

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If an employee is required to wear safety boots it should be legislated that the company provides the boots as part of their personal protective equipment program (IMHO).

Where I work not only do we provide all safety equipment, but we store extra boots on site in the event that an employee requires a replacement pair in an emergency or if there is a new hire - No one is allowed to enter the work place without the correct PPE, which includes footwear.

Trying to save money by not paying for all safety equipment will more than likely end up costing a company more in WSIB, lost time, replacement worker and recruiting costs - Not to mention employee morale and goodwill.

Shame on your employer and your union for putting a negotiated dollar value on the safety of the workers!
 

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Ref said:
If an employee is required to wear safety boots it should be legislated that the company provides the boots as part of their personal protective equipment program (IMHO).

Where I work not only do we provide all safety equipment, but we store extra boots on site in the event that an employee requires a replacement pair in an emergency or if there is a new hire - No one is allowed to enter the work place without the correct PPE, which includes footwear.

Trying to save money by not paying for all safety equipment will more than likely end up costing a company more in WSIB, lost time, replacement worker and recruiting costs - Not to mention employee morale and goodwill.

Shame on your employer and your union for putting a negotiated dollar value on the safety of the workers!
sounds like you work at a nuke site
 

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papasmerf said:
sounds like you work at a nuke site
No.

We work with hazardous materials but as an organization one of our core values is our committment to the safety program.

The cost of our safety program is recouped several times over per the tangible and intangible benefits we receive from it.

If organizations focus on health & safety as an investment in ther workers rather than an expense, in due time (annual variance analysis, P&L comparisons, injury stats, etc.) they will recognize the return on their investment in bottom line dollars.
 

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No.

We work with hazardous materials but as an organization one of our core values is our committment to the safety program.

The cost of our safety program is recouped several times over per the tangible and intangible benefits we receive from it.

If organizations focus on health & safety as an investment in ther workers rather than an expense, in due time (annual variance analysis, P&L comparisons, injury stats, etc.) they will recognize the return on their investment in bottom line dollars.
I commend you and your company for that.

And yes more companies should be proactive on saftey.
One thing I tell the newbies............At the end of the day only you can make sure you are safe...But it is my job to hammer it into you if I have to.
 

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...Trying to save money by not paying for all safety equipment will more than likely end up costing a company more in WSIB, lost time, replacement worker and recruiting costs - Not to mention employee morale and goodwill....
We have something similar in that we pay up to 75% or max of $75 once a year for work boots. As people have noted, the soles/treads will wear out and become a safety hazard on wet floors even though the rest of the boot is fine.

One lost time accident costs the company more than all the boots put together. The only issues that ever arose were people buying new boots for home use and keeping their old boots for work. We ask them to wear their new boots for work and they can take their old boots home.
 

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Ahh, yes. Yet another clueless person trying to speak about something which they know nothing about. :rolleyes:

It is most certainly NOT free money. Management always calculates the total labour cost they are willing to pay as part of negotiations.
That's actually my point. It's free money to him but in terms of the union contract it was a point around which there was negotiation and therefore compromise. Management looks at it in hard dollar terms, the union looks at it in terms of what they can politically sell to their workers.

OK so maybe the reps were not idiots, but it was not the best deal for the workers. I have no doubt that whatever the union gave up to get the $50 boot allowance was worth more than $50.

p.s., congrats for getting a boot allowance. A lot of employers are too cheap to even consider it and think it's the employee's sole responsibility to pay for safety gear required for the job.
It depends. People tend to take better care of things that they paid for with their own money so it is often more efficient to pay people $50 more in wages and have them spend their "own" $50 on the gear.
 

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fuji said:
That's actually my point. It's free money to him but in terms of the union contract it was a point around which there was negotiation and therefore compromise. Management looks at it in hard dollar terms, the union looks at it in terms of what they can politically sell to their workers.

OK so maybe the reps were not idiots, but it was not the best deal for the workers. I have no doubt that whatever the union gave up to get the $50 boot allowance was worth more than $50.



It depends. People tend to take better care of things that they paid for with their own money so it is often more efficient to pay people $50 more in wages and have them spend their "own" $50 on the gear.
Exactly what I was thinking. Especially since jughead says he will spend the $50.00 per year, whether he needs them or not. That it and of itself speaks volumes about the "union" mentality.

Look at it this way:
COmpany has 100 workers who spend $50.00 each per year for boots. That's $5,000.00 (that isn't needed as JH said some boots last more than a year). So, if every worker stockpiled boots they all will have a stack of boots sitting in their garage or whatever. Now comes time to renegotiate the CBA and the company looks at the boot program and the costs.

Now if the workers spent wisely and only replaced or purchased boots when they needed them, says only 20% needed replacing, the cost to the company would be $1,000.00, they saved $4,000.00 per year now comes time to renegotiate and the company says, well, it's only costing us $1,000.00 per year so we can up the amount to $70.00 per employee and they can get better boots.

But that's my issue with union shops: they tend to look for immediate gains as opposed to long term goals. Not what is best for everyone involved, what's best for the workers right damn now....

But I digress, back to the original question:
Do the boots have to be 12" construction boot style? I say this because Marks has some amazingly comfortable hiking style boots with composite toes which weight about 1/3 of steel yet give the same, if not better protection. I know when I worked construction 2 summers ago, our H&S rep approved mine and man, compared to boots? They were heaven. (10 floors/no elevator/you do the math how many times I had to walk up 10 flights of stairs).

Also for comfort look into good socks too. They make all the difference. I found some "peds" brand work socks that have extra padding in the toe and heal and that's all I wear now.They are available at Zellers and other stores. When buying socks look for ones that don't have a seam anywhere around the toe or heel. I find the cheap socks tend to have a big lump of stiching right where the toe cap edge is and it only compounds the irritation. Better quality socks don't have this and are seamless in design and the peds brand pay attention to this area and there is no lump wherever the extra padding is sewn to the sock.

The problem with walmart/zellers work boots is they SUCK (for the most part). I have wide duck feet and they just do not carry EE width boots and every boot I tried on from them pinched somewhere.

Marks or timberland, are THE best places to look for comfortable boots. I have a pair now that feel like a pair of running shoes when I wear them (and the composite toe doesn't get cold like steel does).

I know it is hard to justify but believe me, spend a little extra and get a pair of boots that fit and feel right and you'll find your legs and feet won't be as sore at the end of the day and you won't be as tired. The old saying holds true: you ONLY get what you pay for.....

Keep your eye on Mark's website. They often have sales on at 50 and 60% off their boots. I picked up my current 12" pair (for winter) for $39.99 regularly $129.99. I think I paid $34.99 for the low rise hikers which were regularly around $69 or $79.

As stated, take care of your feet and DON'T scrimp. My dad wore work boots for 25 years and his feet are fucked. He's had vericose veins, knee problems, gout, bone spurs, hip problems all associated with having to wear work boots.
 
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