Well laid out. I'd love to read a response or rebuttal from a female perspective. I suppose human courtship hasn't evolved over the past 30 years nearly as much as the legal, academic, and employment worlds between sexes.
Woman in tight clothes walks around NYC with camera crew, Is shocked men talk to her. :rolleyes:
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being a creep is solely based upon if a woman finds a man attractive. if he is not to her standard then he may be designated a creepy.
question is how do men know whether a woman finds him attractive unless he propositions her? propositioning being complimenting, striking up a conversation, etc.
saying you are sexy isnt inappropriate. I would consider it near to calling someone beautiful. as for saying I like your tits, it works for some men. its not my cup of tea but times are a changing and what once was questionable may eventually become a norm and acceptable.
It's interesting in light of this thread: https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/why...today-dress-so-revealing.747187/#post-7069147
Language and dress codes continue diverging. Women dress more provocatively today than ever before, but the language permitted to describe them has never been more stunted. The skirts got shorter, the underwear became a string, the tops got more revealing but the language more subdued. In Ancient Greece only prostitutes wore makeup but today just about every woman wears it to increase sexual attractiveness. Times certainly change.
In Ancient Egypt the pharaoh's had eye liner and make up.
I hope times have changed.
I know for a fact that some men who are in the Hollywood industry wear eye liners. I know a few. I have nothing against it. I wasn't expecting to see a friend after 10 years from High school wearing it.
I've heard women describe men they think as attractive as creepy as well.
I think jeangarydiablo may have put it better than I'm able to.
If you can't do that type of behaviour at your work, then its over the line.
(though there's a likely exception for construction workers where apparently being over the line is part of the job)
Sure, I enjoy flirting and enjoy talking with women but there are lines that are too much.
Jenesis articulated it really clearly early in this thread.
So sure, go ahead and keep trying that aggressive, hit on everything, cat call approach.
Just be aware that you are part of the population that make women feel unsafe.
Reminds me of the cleaning woman in my building, a very attractive white woman. More attractive then the one in the video.
When I first talked to her, she thought I was creeping on her so she was kind of rude to me. Even though my reason to talk to her was legit.
After, I purposely stopped talking or looking at her directly.
Later she became friendly.
I still never really looked at her anymore, because if I did she would know I found her attractive. The only way for her to be friendly to me is if I avoided looking at her. GEESH.
When I first talked to her, she thought I was creeping on her so she was kind of rude to me. Even though my reason to talk to her was legit.
After, I purposely stopped talking or looking at her directly.
Later she became friendly.
I still never really looked at her anymore, because if I did she would know I found her attractive. The only way for her to be friendly to me is if I avoided looking at her. GEESH.
She was making it clear she had no intention of fucking you and for you to never believe you had any chance of fucking her. This is when you go and make a $250-$300 withdrawal and book an escort, it so much easier.
I have zero interest in this woman's appearance, I wouldn't even notice her, however, women I personally find attractive? would really have to be giving me a strong indication they are interested in me specifically, that does not mean they are just looking at me, it is way more complicated than that, should I choose to make contact with them it is very subtle like just an eyebrow shrug and friendly smile [ don't hold eye contact too long it's creepy ] if they smile back and don't say shit? I don't say shit, and keep walking if they smile maintain eye contact and say hi then I take the next step return the greeting and take it from there, it sounds lame but that's my opener, there are still no guarantees, the guys in this video are just embarrassing especially the last guy what planet are you from where you say things like that to women, I have to wonder if that was staged for this video.
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It's amazing.
You quote what I write, but you don't actually read what I write
Your other quote of mine, taken out of context I might add, was in answer to another person's question as to why some men cat call. I offered my theory on why it might happen. I never said anywhere in that post that I agreed with the behaviour.
You really need to stop putting words in people's mouths, just to make your own arguments look better.
And just to re-iterate. If a woman, by her own words, is dressing a certain way because she wants to "feel sexy" her words. Then it shouldn't be a problem for a man to tell her she is "sexy".
Otherwise, DOUBLE STANDARD
You quote what I write, but you don't actually read what I write
Did you miss what I finished my post off with? You included it in your quote, but you obviously missed it.
What you seem to be constantly missing, or wilfully ignoring, is my entire argument was against a statement Jenesis said, that Men shouldn't be allowed to say anything at all. Inclusive of Compliments, no matter how respectful they are.
Your other quote of mine, taken out of context I might add, was in answer to another person's question as to why some men cat call. I offered my theory on why it might happen. I never said anywhere in that post that I agreed with the behaviour.
You really need to stop putting words in people's mouths, just to make your own arguments look better.
And just to re-iterate. If a woman, by her own words, is dressing a certain way because she wants to "feel sexy" her words. Then it shouldn't be a problem for a man to tell her she is "sexy".
Otherwise, DOUBLE STANDARD
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What was your legit reason to talk to her? lol.
I still never really looked at her anymore, because if I did she would know I found her attractive. The only way for her to be friendly to me is if I avoided looking at her.
Words I live by. I find I get along with women fine as long as I don't talk to them and leave them alone.
Sucks being me. lol.
This is in a thread about catcalls, uncharted.
Jenesis stated that what you seem to call 'courtship' isn't appreciated, which is why it looks like 'creeping' to me.
All I was trying to do was explain why it might not be appreciated through discussing the concept of complimenting beauty vs sexiness.
This discussion has gotten as aggressive as some of the 'courtship' that Jenesis complains about and its clear I can't get you to understand my point so I'll just leave you to your 'courtship' ways.
There was some water under the laundry machine, I thought she could tell the super because I was lazy to do it myself. ( Also I wanted to talk to her, because ... BOOBIES )
I'm older then her but I look young. In the future she started to talk to me like I'm a little kid. I used my soft, innocent voice.
I actually 5'2" and 104 pounds. Most people tell me I look like 25 or so - at the time I was 41.
Someone told me I shocked the Pharmacist when I told her my real age - like she thought I was lying. I remember the Pharmacist looking at me funny, but I avoid eye contact usually.
If I remember your post where you talked about that and someone called you out for being the coward, or loser, didn't you respond that you didn't want to get into a confrontation with TWO men? How do you know he wasn't making the "those are huge" comment to the guy he was with? While you and your SO may have overheard him, who says the comment was directed to your SO? To take it another step, weren't you being rude by eavesdropping on someone else's private conversation?
I'm not trying to suggest that the comment was classy or anything, but if he didn't address her I wouldn't call it cat-calling.
LOL! I've been to Hanlan's only twice in the past 4 years. On my last visit 2 years ago, I went to toss some trash in the trash bin. I looked up and saw this naked young woman coming straight at me. I thought to myself: "What have I done now".
When she got within earshot, she asked: "Do you have any pot?" I said: "Sorry, but I don't". We then had a short conversation about things of no import. All that time I made sure not to look at her breasts and/or genitals.
