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the lady went to a self-appointed chaplain who dehumanize her claiming she need his God and should go to church

the second one involves a PUBLIC-TAXPAYER FUNDED school brainwashing kids with offensive religious propaganda without the consent of his parent(s)


these are news stories involving religious coercion and intimidation.
i look forward to hearing what you have done to try and defund Catholic schools. Or are you just a whiner? Spend much of your time lobbying on any of this or just cutting and pasting other people's thoughts?

It is also pretty sad to see you criticizing a chaplain who said something you don't like, instead of the rapist...but I guess you have your priorities.
 

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this pope was involved in covering up and protecting child abusers when he was a cardinal also this pope also said his church is the only way to salvation. that's not building bridges

i support and vote for folks who advocate defunding catholic schools
 

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The Church or his denomination, a rather significant and important difference.

Now who is prejudiced and attempting to deny others their rights?
catholics and other religious groups have the right to set p thier own schools. they don't have the right to have the tax payers pay for thier schools
 

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this pope was involved in covering up and protecting child abusers when he was a cardinal also this pope also said his church is the only way to salvation. that's not building bridges

i support and vote for folks who advocate defunding catholic schools
you clearly don't understand even basic christian theology. But I am not surprised.

And which candidate did you work for that proposed defunding Catholic schools?
 

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catholics and other religious groups have the right to set p thier own schools. they don't have the right to have the tax payers pay for thier schools
In Canada...they do. But if you don't understand basic theology, why would I expect you to understand the Constitution?
 

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you clearly don't understand even basic christian theology. But I am not surprised.

And which candidate did you work for that proposed defunding Catholic schools?
so what is christian theology? according to you will people not go to heaven or get salvation if they don't believe in Jesus? that's the basic belief of christianity. visit a church on a sunday and you will hear the preacher saying jesus is the only way


and the green party of ontario advocate a single public funded education system


"During the 2007 provincial election, education, and specifically the funding of religious schools, was a central issue. GPO policy calls for an end to government funding for the Catholic school system, and direct funding for the secular public system only, a merger that it claims would save millions of dollars in duplicate administrative costs"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_Ontario#Education
 

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so what is christian theology? according to you will people not go to heaven or get salvation if they don't believe in Jesus? that's the basic belief of christianity. visit a church on a sunday and you will hear the preacher saying jesus is the only way
Why don't you explain the relationship between Jews and Christians in basic Christian theology? It is all right there. You might want to restrict your approach to the gospels, it gets a little more complicated when you add in the writings of Paul.

And while you feel that the Pope is not doing a good job of bridge building, it looks like Israel and most prominent jews disagree with you:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Israel+hails+Pope+clarity+courage+death+Jesus/4381828/story.html

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu yesterday hailed the "courage" of Pope Benedict XVI for writing a book in which he clearly exonerates the Jewish people for the death of Jesus.

The book, which will be published on March 10, elaborates on a key Vatican statement from 1965 which absolved the Jewish people as a whole of responsibility for the death of Jesus on the cross.

"I commend you for forcefully rejecting in your recent book a false charge that has been a foundation for the hatred of the Jewish people for many centuries," the Israeli prime minister said in a statement. "My fervent hope is that your clarity and courage will strengthen the relations between Jews and Christians throughout the world and promote peace and reconciliation for generations to come."
http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=211123

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on Monday, on behalf of the Jewish and Israeli people, thanked Pope Benedict XVI for reiterating that the Jewish people are not responsible for Jesus' death, Israel Radio reported Monday.

Lieberman said that the declaration could help to bring about peace in the world.
I guess you know better. Your problem is you thrive on unreasoning hatred, you don't know facts when they smack you in the face.

But your bias is so thick that if a religious leader saved a drowning child you would still condemn them. Feel free to have another drink with your communist friend Hitchens.
 

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The book, which will be published on March 10, elaborates on a key Vatican statement from 1965 which absolved the Jewish people as a whole of responsibility for the death of Jesus on the cross.
I wish you would bring that quotation to Danmands attention, since seemingly he did not really didn't believe me yesterday when I posted that this was old news!
 

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Why don't you explain the relationship between Jews and Christians in basic Christian theology? It is all right there. You might want to restrict your approach to the gospels, it gets a little more complicated when you add in the writings of Paul.
Christian theology states that Jesus is the Jewish messiah.

And while you feel that the Pope is not doing a good job of bridge building, it looks like Israel and most prominent jews disagree with you:
this is the pope doing public relations to hide the fact that he believes his denomination is the only way to salvation/heaven/God

I guess you know better. Your problem is you thrive on unreasoning hatred, you don't know facts when they smack you in the face.
nope i state facts to show how religious people do evil acts, say offensive things to dehumanize non-believers and engage in religious coercion

But your bias is so thick that if a religious leader saved a drowning child you would still condemn them. Feel free to have another drink with your communist friend Hitchens.
I would thank a religious leader if he save a child from drowning and for the last time Hitchens is NOT a communist
 

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You should really read Dominus Iesus, it is more nuanced than you are making it out to be. (However, I will agree that from say a Baptist perspective it does say what you believe it does. However, for the Othodox, Lutherans, Anglicans and Old Catholics it does not, although I will agree it is still poor theology.)

Secondly, why do you care, are you secretly afraid that the Bishop of Rome, really is a Universal Pontiff?
 

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Perhaps you and your poor sources should actually read what they quote instead of spinning.

From the first article:

“These separated churches and communities, though we believe they suffer from defects, are deprived neither of significance nor importance in the mystery of salvation,” the document read. “In fact the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation, whose value derives from that fullness of grace and of truth which has been entrusted to the Catholic Church.”

So while the Pope suggests that other churches are imperfect, he clearly states that they have been used by Christ as "instruments of salvation."

Seriously, do you read this stuff?
 

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Christian theology states that Jesus is the Jewish messiah.
Close but no cigar. Christian theology states that Jesus was a jew, who came in fulfillment of OT prophecies to bring salvation to all people. He is only the jewish messiah because jews are a subset of all people.


this is the pope doing public relations to hide the fact that he believes his denomination is the only way to salvation/heaven/God
wrong CM. See my post above where you source quotes the pope as saying all churches have been used as instruments of salvation.

I would thank a religious leader if he save a child from drowning and for the last time Hitchens is NOT a communist
So a trotskiest is not a communist. He is a far left loopy drunken journalist. Nothing special at all. Just an angry attention seeking holocaust denier.
 

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Perhaps you and your poor sources should actually read what they quote instead of spinning.

From the first article:

“These separated churches and communities, though we believe they suffer from defects, are deprived neither of significance nor importance in the mystery of salvation,” the document read. “In fact the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation, whose value derives from that fullness of grace and of truth which has been entrusted to the Catholic Church.”

So while the Pope suggests that other churches are imperfect, he clearly states that they have been used by Christ as "instruments of salvation."

Seriously, do you read this stuff?
from the second article

Pope reasserts salvation comes from one church

By Nicole Winfield, Associated Press | July 11, 2007

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy -- Pope Benedict XVI reasserted the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released yesterday that says other Christian communities are either defective or not true churches and Catholicism provides the only true path to salvation.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2007/07/11/pope_reasserts_salvation_comes_from_one_church/

he clearly states his church is the onbly way to salvation stop denying it
 
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