I hear that the battery life is not that great, and replacement expense is half the original purchase price of your car. Plus, after a few years, the battery gets reduced, like your phone, so you may buy a car with 500km range, but after 3 years / 60,000 km it might have a range of 400km and after 5 yrs / 100,000 km it may have a range of 300km. And that is summer range. In winter, the batteries operate cold and get about 40% reduced range. So you could have a 5 year old Tesla S with only 180km winter range. I don't present these numbers for fact, I understand from an industry contact the truth is along these lines. Will vary by model, IF the manufacturer shares that data! What the car makers say only tells a part of the story. You have to live with these cars, in Canada, for a few years to really understand the long term value of them. Before buying any electric car, any shopper should ask and understand the cost to replace the battery. It could be shocking.
Why I would not want an electric vehicle
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I am actually. I do not like to sit on several hundred lbs of Li, that can catch fire if damaged by an accident.
It is true that the chance of a gasoline fire in an ICE vehicle is higher than the chance of a battery fire in an EV vehicle, but everybody knows how to deal with a gasoline fire, a Li fire is a totally different problem, water feeds the fire.
PS: I will probably eventually buy an EV.
Success of the EV revolution in bringing on the demise of ICE cars will
hinge on the mass switching to public transport from driving because
they either find Tesla sucks or just can't afford it. EV will surely have its
place as the car for the rich.
hinge on the mass switching to public transport from driving because
they either find Tesla sucks or just can't afford it. EV will surely have its
place as the car for the rich.
Not so.
Right now the worlds biggest EV carmaker, General Motors, is selling EVs in China like hotcakes to common Chinese people. Chinese love them. GM has a joint venture going with a Chinese automaker. This EV is the size of the Smart Car. 2 Models are available currently. One gets ~100 miles to a charge, cost $4300 USD. The other model gets !160 miles per charge, price is $6300 USD. Of course these EVs are not allowed to be exported to the USA.
I wouldn't buy a Tesla for this reason. Apparently if the vehicle loses power, you cannot open the door easily. The front compartment has an emergency latch to open the door, but the back seat does not. However, they are making safer batteries with more capacity and quicker charging times. EVs are the future, but it will take a LONG time to catch up to the infrastructure of ICE vehicles.
Then go buy 1 now! Longer you wait the less you get for your current car and the more expensive it will be to buy a new EV.
OK I know we aren't in Europe but who is to say this won't happen here. With all the new houses going up we may face an energy crisis of our own.
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The ongoing energy crisis in the 'best country in the world' may force drivers to 'think twice' about electric vehicles — 3 big stocks to gas up your portfolio
Wake up and smell the diesel.
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I suspect they may not meet North American crash test safety standards. There are cars sold in India that can’t be exported here for that reason (eg Tata Motors)
By 2030 well over half the vehicles sold in North America will be electric...it’s inevitable especially with our current politicians. Some people don’t like change I imagine there were a lot of people that said they were never going to get rid of their horse!
Lithium was a game changer for electric cars but yes it has it cons (flammable, not good in the cold & doesn’t recycle worth a crap). Nissan made a good first design with their Leaf over a dozen years ago. Now they’ve partnered with NASA on their solid state battery & already over a million combinations in. When the battery is complete you will have a battery that doesn’t combust like lithium, has thousands of more charge/discharge cycles & fully recyclable. Sat in an airport lounge earlier this year with an engineer from Nissan working on the project & in his words will be the difference from horse & buggy to Model T. He explained they seen it as the future a dozen years ago but new lithium wasn’t the permanent solution.
When it comes out I most certainly will be first in line...still love my supercharged Hemi’s but for daily driving tell the oil mafia to suck my dick!
Problem in California & other places is it’s going to take decades to get the grid upgraded to handle even 20% of the population buying one!
Lithium was a game changer for electric cars but yes it has it cons (flammable, not good in the cold & doesn’t recycle worth a crap). Nissan made a good first design with their Leaf over a dozen years ago. Now they’ve partnered with NASA on their solid state battery & already over a million combinations in. When the battery is complete you will have a battery that doesn’t combust like lithium, has thousands of more charge/discharge cycles & fully recyclable. Sat in an airport lounge earlier this year with an engineer from Nissan working on the project & in his words will be the difference from horse & buggy to Model T. He explained they seen it as the future a dozen years ago but new lithium wasn’t the permanent solution.
When it comes out I most certainly will be first in line...still love my supercharged Hemi’s but for daily driving tell the oil mafia to suck my dick!
Problem in California & other places is it’s going to take decades to get the grid upgraded to handle even 20% of the population buying one!
Before EV ownership reaches 20% of the population cost
of electricity along with cost of lithium, cobalt, copper and
other materials needed for EV manufacturing will have gone
through the roof. The electricity grid will have to be upgraded
with copper replaced by a superconductor like silver to handle
further rise in power demand. The future of transportation belongs
to streetcar and electric scooter.
I dont know how to say this, but I feel ICE vehicles have "soul". EVs feel more like computers on wheels.
That said I would never buy a Tesla. Fuck Elon Musk lol.
That said I would never buy a Tesla. Fuck Elon Musk lol.
Nope...the electric car is here to stay my friend. By the late 2030’s you’ll be lucky to even find a gas powered car. Being your probably from the oil industry they’ll still make a decent buck gouging people on diesel. Planes, trains, ships, trucks, construction equipment definitely ain’t going electric anytime soon! Maybe shorter run highway trucks but definitely not the rest.
Yes electricity is going to be a valuable commodity but when solid state batteries come to the market cobalt & lithium will be back where they started. People will probably hate to see more windmills & solar panels everywhere but it’s going to be the new reality...more juice needed!
I don't disagree with that and I never thought they would disappear.
In fact I realize EV manufacturing will remain a growing business for
many decades to come. In the future you will see only buses and trains
running on LNG and CNG, electric powered street cars and scooters plus
a relatively small fleet of EVs. Fossil fuel is a non-renewable resource. It
is a matter of time before remaining FF resources are fully-depleted or
uneconomical to extract. And the time when FF is no longer affordable is
going to arrive a lot sooner than most people thought.
Currently China is doing all the EV bleeding edge technology leaving the USA and world, in the dust.
Nio, the Chinese Tesla, make Tesla look like an Edsel and are far less expensive than Tesla.
Nio EVs are currently available in California.
Nio, the Chinese Tesla, make Tesla look like an Edsel and are far less expensive than Tesla.
Nio EVs are currently available in California.
China does not have this problem. China just goes ahead and upgrades their electric grid infrastructures since China is not controlled by the iol mafia as we are here in North America.
Here in NA the oil mafia is still doing ALL they can to sabotage the move to EVs. Heck you see this right here on this thread....LOL
A little history here.
Back in 1994 GM produced the EV1 which was about the size of a Chevy Cruze and got 160 miles to a charge. EV1 was leased to folks in California and they loved them. They were leased from 1994-2000. In 2000 GM planned to go into full EV1 production but was hurting for money. Big Oil, the oil mafia as you call them, came along and told GM if you kill EV1, recall all those leased EV1s and destroy every one of them, we will give GM a few Billions to solve your current money problem. GM in all their myopic moronic best, agreed and took the oil money and killed EV1. A couple years later Elon Musk went to GM and asked about EV1. GM, in all their myopic stupidity, gave Musk all the EV1, blueprints, data and all EV1 paperwork. From this Musk created Tesla! Had GM not done this. GM never would have gone bankrupt and Tesla never would have been created. GM would have been making EVs since 2000, and raking in all that money Tesla made, with Ford and Chrysler following suite building their own EVs.
In short the USA would have moved to EVs 20 years ago.
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Everything you sad about Elon Musk creating Tesla is incorrect. He most certainly did not. Elon Musk gained control of Tesla through (mostly) stock purchases and invesments. He made a shit ton of money by being the main shareholder of smaller companies that got either purchased or merged into bigger ones, all the while owning more and more shares, while bringing very little of substance to any company. He's not an inventor or engineer. Elon's biggest skill is obtaining government financing and corporate invesments into his companies.
