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Why I would not want an electric vehicle

danmand

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Everything you sad about Elon Musk creating Tesla is incorrect. He most certainly did not. Elon Musk gained control of Tesla through (mostly) stock purchases and invesments. He made a shit ton of money by being the main shareholder of smaller companies that got either purchased or merged into bigger ones, all the while owning more and more shares, while bringing very little of substance to any company. He's not an inventor or engineer. Elon's biggest skill is obtaining government financing and corporate invesments into his companies.
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Frankfooter

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Currently China is doing all the EV bleeding edge technology leaving the USA and world, in the dust.

Nio, the Chinese Tesla, make Tesla look like an Edsel and are far less expensive than Tesla.


Nio EVs are currently available in California.
I wonder how long before you can rent battery trailers for cars for long hauls. A bit of storage and lots of power backup for longer drives.
 

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I have both an EV and ICE and I will say that ICE definetly has some advantages over EV especially in colder climates like Canada. EV's are great and very conveniant if your traveling less then 200km in any type of weather, anything over that I think is where ICE has an advantage in terms of convenience and time saved. EVs loose a lot of their expected range in colder temperatures and when driving highway speeds but their great for short around town type drives. There is advantages and disadvantages to both which is why I always advise if your thinking of buying an EV make sure you also have an ICE backup.
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When EV's are more affordable and the infrastructure and battery technology is more improved I would get an EV.

The one thing I will miss is the feel and roar of a high performing engine, the smell of the engine, tinkering with the engine, and that rumbling feel when you let it lose on the highway.

EV's will soon dominate the market, no doubt about that. However, they will never give you that feeling of driving.
 

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Everything you sad about Elon Musk creating Tesla is incorrect. He most certainly did not. Elon Musk gained control of Tesla through (mostly) stock purchases and invesments. He made a shit ton of money by being the main shareholder of smaller companies that got either purchased or merged into bigger ones, all the while owning more and more shares, while bringing very little of substance to any company. He's not an inventor or engineer. Elon's biggest skill is obtaining government financing and corporate invesments into his companies.
Correct.
Was told what I posted above by GM engineer who worked at the GM Tonawanda Engine Plant years ago. He assumed Musk was in control of Tesla then. In any event he said he meant whomever was in charge of Tesla when it was starting up did go to GM headquarters and requested and got the program files and blueprints on the Impact and EV1 after GM scrapped the EV1. Back then GM did extensive research on EV and sunk millions on it before deciding to scrap it.

Back then we were both interested in leasing EV1. We contacted GM but were told EV1 was only available for lease in California. There were no plans for EV1 to be made available in WNY.
 
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Leimonis

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Electric car is somehow a better deal than electric bike.
electric car’s residual value after lease is very close to the value of ICE.
Meanwhile electric bike after three years will need a new battery that will cost 40-60% of a bike or so. If you bought your $2000 bike on sale for $1000 your new battery can be $800 ie almost a new bike. Fucking annoying!
 

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EV's will soon dominate the market, no doubt about that. However, they will never give you that feeling of driving.
I think EV may dominate the market of imports of vehicles from China.
Highly unlikely it will dominate our highways in the forseeable future.

 

y2kmark

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Electric vehicles are pretty useless unless you never leave your city. Not very good if you do lots of highway driving. At least with an ICE if you run out of gas it's not a far tow to a gas station, or CAA can bring you some gas to get to a station. Who knows how far a tow you will need to a charging station.
Also this doesn't apply here in Ontario, after the last big hurricane in Florida many EV spontaneously caught fire because the batteries were exposed to salt water. Salt water causes corrosion to the electrics and poof, up goes the car in flames. This can happen at any time. So might be a concern for east coasters.
AW, come on! Mobile charging stations, fully electric themselves, of course. Mind you, a recharge like that is likely to be somewhat pricey. There's no place like home, there's no place like home...
 

y2kmark

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I think EV may dominate the market of imports of vehicles from China.
Highly unlikely it will dominate our highways in the forseeable future.

I'd worry that if I got a car produced in China then the Chinese would know everywhere I was at all times - scary...
 

barnacler

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If you read the 2nd article the vehicle caught fire weeks after it was in an accident. They had to bury the vehicle in a pit and fill it with water because the vehicle kept reigniting. A damaged battery could catch fire some time after the damage happened. If this was in your garage it could be a catastrophe. Plus the fact that it took 12,000 gallons of water (which is 50 tons of water) to put out the fire in the first article seems a bit much.

I also wouldn't drive a motorcycle due to safety concerns.
Why oh why oh why do people make general conclusions based on extremely rare events?

Maybe a Tesla drove off the road once and began to flay the occupants alive before dousing them with sulfuric acid and electrocuting them.....slowly! While playing rap music at full blast!

So what? How common is it, that's the relevant question.

Good Lord, they need to make a basic understanding of statistics and probability compulsory in high school - PRACTICAL statistics.
 

wawa

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Why oh why oh why do people make general conclusions based on extremely rare events?

Maybe a Tesla drove off the road once and began to flay the occupants alive before dousing them with sulfuric acid and electrocuting them.....slowly! While playing rap music at full blast!

So what? How common is it, that's the relevant question.

Good Lord, they need to make a basic understanding of statistics and probability compulsory in high school - PRACTICAL statistics.
Maybe it is not an "extremely rare event". Please read: https://www.flyingpenguin.com/?p=40123

According to this article Teslas are catching on fire at an alarming rate; greater than the Ford Pinto which was a major concern at the time.

But, of course, you know more than I do, because you have done your research, and you understand statistics.
 
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Another concern is where is our greedy government going to make up the lost revenue from gasoline taxes? Will EV's have a special annual tax? Will electricity costs go through the roof? Will all roads have some sort of electronic toll?
 

barnacler

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Maybe it is not an "extremely rare event". Please read: https://www.flyingpenguin.com/?p=40123

According to this article Teslas are catching on fire at an alarming rate; greater than the Ford Pinto which was a major concern at the time.

But, of course, you know more than I do, because you have done your research, and you understand statistics.
I never made any conclusion whatsoever about the whether Teslas are a fire risk or not, now did I?

The original post referred to two isolated events. .I pointed out that making a general conclusion form two incidents is not statistically very convincing.

I never said I had done any statistical research: therefore I myself DID NOT make a general conclusion.

I did NOT make any generalized conclusion that they are or are not safe, precisely because I don't have statistics.

You appear to be making this (invalid point) :

Someone without evidence has claimed that an on/off switch is off. I brought to attention the fact that there is insufficient evidence IN HIS CLAIM that the switch is off.

Because you appear to have more evidence, that appears to prove that the switch truly is off, you therefore claim that my questioning of the original unjustified conclusion on the basis of insufficient evidence therefore implies that I took the position that the switch is actually on.

You have no evidence of THAT actually.
 
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