I swear on my son's life...
Don't you MISS women who really actually like you? As in who want to enjoy your company without compensation?
Yesterday morning my GF calls at about 7:30am...asks if I have time to join her for breakfast. I do, so I drive to her neighborhood, we have breakfast at our favorite breakfast spot, then we spend three hours talking and laughing (with an occasional hug or stolen smooch) while sitting on a bench in a beautiful nearby park.
So...that was blissful...it was a beautiful morning with the fine company of an attractive woman...but there is no way I would have paid $600 to $1000 for that experience...and even if I had, there is no way it could have been duplicated by someone who did not actually know me well, and care for me genuinely...or me her.
Now...I am 42...and I think I read someplace that you are 47....so we aren't THAT far apart in age...my point being, we have A LOT of living left.
Are you really resigned that you will not have experiences like that again in your life?
I have read different arguments on the pro hobbying side before. For example:
That it is cheaper than dating...
(bullshit...each of the women I date treats me as often as I treat them...though my treats do tend to be more expensive...but for example my GF yesterday picked up the tab for breakfast because she asked me out...and has twice in the last year taken me on quite nice weekend trips...once for my birthday, another time for our "anniversary"...)
...that civilian women are by definition lame in bed...
(bullshit...each of the women I currently sleep with regularly both enjoys sex and is an enthusiastic lover...they might not possess encyclopedic knowledge of the practice, but then again neither do I...I do know that they enjoy it and are open minded...all four love BBBJ for example and are good at it...and 3 of the 4 swallow)
..or that women are hard to meet
(sigh...sometimes yes...sometimes no...but I personally don't have enough in the way of problems at it to give up....and I always manage to have SOMEONE in my life)
...but I still could not bear the thought of never again having a RELATIONSHIP with someone. I have been plenty "unlucky" in love....I am a twice divorced guy at age 42...but I still say the seminal experience of a man is to know the love of a woman.
I get hobbying because you are a man whore...I am a man whore....lol.
I get hobbying because you want to have the sort of sexual experiences (or level of attractiveness) that you cannot assume is easily secured with civilians...or can / will not be provided by the women currently in your life.
I get hobbying because it helps you avoid entanglements...I have a couple of those I am dealing with right now, though I think working through them as the price of admission was worth it.
But I just don't see how it is a substitute for actual relationships.
Mnd you...I know what it is like to be in a place where you DO NOT WANT a relationship...I've been there...and hey, a guy still has to fuck. And yeah, I can see how it might be easier to see an SP under those conditions versus trying to negotiate a non-relationship FWB (or even less than friends fuck buddy) understanding with a woman...though it can be done.
But you've been here on this board (as have I) for years...I would kinda think you are well past the "ok...I need to deal with some shit before I jump into another relationship" stage.
Do you really see this as a life long substitute for "civilian" relationships with women?
...I am not trying to start a fight...and promise to confess in this thread when I switch from genuine questions to just fucking with you (or anyone else who cares to comment).tboy said:
Don't you MISS women who really actually like you? As in who want to enjoy your company without compensation?
Yesterday morning my GF calls at about 7:30am...asks if I have time to join her for breakfast. I do, so I drive to her neighborhood, we have breakfast at our favorite breakfast spot, then we spend three hours talking and laughing (with an occasional hug or stolen smooch) while sitting on a bench in a beautiful nearby park.
So...that was blissful...it was a beautiful morning with the fine company of an attractive woman...but there is no way I would have paid $600 to $1000 for that experience...and even if I had, there is no way it could have been duplicated by someone who did not actually know me well, and care for me genuinely...or me her.
Now...I am 42...and I think I read someplace that you are 47....so we aren't THAT far apart in age...my point being, we have A LOT of living left.
Are you really resigned that you will not have experiences like that again in your life?
I have read different arguments on the pro hobbying side before. For example:
That it is cheaper than dating...
(bullshit...each of the women I date treats me as often as I treat them...though my treats do tend to be more expensive...but for example my GF yesterday picked up the tab for breakfast because she asked me out...and has twice in the last year taken me on quite nice weekend trips...once for my birthday, another time for our "anniversary"...)
...that civilian women are by definition lame in bed...
(bullshit...each of the women I currently sleep with regularly both enjoys sex and is an enthusiastic lover...they might not possess encyclopedic knowledge of the practice, but then again neither do I...I do know that they enjoy it and are open minded...all four love BBBJ for example and are good at it...and 3 of the 4 swallow)
..or that women are hard to meet
(sigh...sometimes yes...sometimes no...but I personally don't have enough in the way of problems at it to give up....and I always manage to have SOMEONE in my life)
...but I still could not bear the thought of never again having a RELATIONSHIP with someone. I have been plenty "unlucky" in love....I am a twice divorced guy at age 42...but I still say the seminal experience of a man is to know the love of a woman.
I get hobbying because you are a man whore...I am a man whore....lol.
I get hobbying because you want to have the sort of sexual experiences (or level of attractiveness) that you cannot assume is easily secured with civilians...or can / will not be provided by the women currently in your life.
I get hobbying because it helps you avoid entanglements...I have a couple of those I am dealing with right now, though I think working through them as the price of admission was worth it.
But I just don't see how it is a substitute for actual relationships.
Mnd you...I know what it is like to be in a place where you DO NOT WANT a relationship...I've been there...and hey, a guy still has to fuck. And yeah, I can see how it might be easier to see an SP under those conditions versus trying to negotiate a non-relationship FWB (or even less than friends fuck buddy) understanding with a woman...though it can be done.
But you've been here on this board (as have I) for years...I would kinda think you are well past the "ok...I need to deal with some shit before I jump into another relationship" stage.
Do you really see this as a life long substitute for "civilian" relationships with women?
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).... I'm in my late 20s, good looking (so I've been told...and by more than just my mom), outgoing, well kept, blah, blah, blah....I have an attractive, intelligent wife and two beautiful kids...perfect, right? WRONG!! There is absolutely no way that my wife can keep up with my urges and I don't necessarily expect her to. Truthfully, I would much rather have a NSA GF (or two) on the side that could help keep me satisfied at a much lower cost, but that is too risky. Hobbying allows me to keep my urges filled (somewhat, because I don't think that is possible) with little to no risk of being caught by my wife. If she was okay with me doing this, I would definitely tell her, but I have a feeling that might be a hard sell.
