I think WW1 was more for "fighting for King and Empire" while WW2 was more "fighting for freedom".
I like these two videos summing up both WW's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHSQAEam2yc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uk_6vfqwTA
Who wants to discuss Don Cherry today....
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I like these two videos summing up both WW's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHSQAEam2yc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uk_6vfqwTA
Interesting …. All this fuss over a poppy. The Canadian Legon is ,by the Canadian Government the only one who is authorized to procure and sell poppies. Even the ones knitted by grandma are not official. Cherry should look in the mirror. He is wearing a bootleg poppy. He should make a sizeable donation to the Legon in compensation.
Shame on you Cherry.
Shame on you Cherry.
You obviously did not watch the previous week's spot where both Don and Ron are given official beaded poppies from the First Nations. They are specifically for remembering the Indigenous Veterans.
Damn you, Don! You're such a racist!
Shame on you, Harley. You "outraged", yet you didn't spend the time to find the answer.
Simply because they are right next door and/or at the time of WW2, had no real appetite to fight another war.
At times I was a fan of Cherry, he's a Leaf fan, he kissed Doug Gilmour and Nazim Kadri. When Canada's World JR team lost the gold medal because a brawl against the Russians, Cherry defended team Canada. The controversal remarks against French Canadians and European players put me off a bit. I mean Salming and Sundin became some of the greatest Leafs. I know Cherry meant well with the poppy problem and it needs to be addressed but to single out a group of people he finally crossed the line with Rogers/CBC/Sportsnet.
I am no fan of Cherry. Saying that "nobody died for our freedom" is disrespectful.
France bullied Germany when it was bigger and stronger. Louis XIV carved up chunks of Germany and massacred the population of the Rhineland in the 1600's. And Napoleon chopped up Germany as well.
Oh well. They have given us lots to remember.
Not so much about "freedom" of country but "freedom" for our way of life, Democracy as opposed to a dictator.
They have those guys on the pre game and 2nd period hot stove, they are all boring. The draw of Cherry was he said whatever he felt, whether you like it or not, the mid 40's guys are afraid of their own shadow and would never say anything opinionated, Burke would be the closest to Cherry but he's old too.
You made my point much better than I did.
I remember, when I was a kid, we spent Remembrance Day remembering those who fought and died in the wars (and that's it). It was a solemn moment of reflection. Maybe you thought the wars were justified, maybe you didn't. It didn't matter, because that wasn't the point of Remembrance Day. The point was to take a moment to reflect on the wars, and the many soldiers whose lives were cut short because of it.
I no longer wear a Poppy because the Poppy seems to have morphed into this nonsensical Patriotic Bravado about how our vets "fought for freedom", as if they had angels on their backs and were fighting demons. It just wasn't the case. Neither side entered or left either World War with their hands clean.
I still donate to Vetrans Affairs Canada (usually by dropping a few bucks into the Poppy box, but not taking a Poppy) because I think that, despite the fact that our vets haven't "fought for our freedom", they at least took up arms and risked their lives (and died) because a government that we elected demanded it of them (our vets should be looked after for doing just that).
The type of people who simply babble on about how all our vets "fought for our freedom" are the ones who increase the risk of history repeating itself. Those people are the ones who do our vets (and our dead soldiers) a terrible disservice. The people who declare "They fought for our freedom" didn't learn the most valuable lesson that should have been learned from the two world wars... And that is that war is awful. In the end, there are no winners from war, there are just those who survived it.
It wasn't about freedom of a country but freedom for our way of life, Democracy, The troops also fought for the freedom of the Jews.
Then why did we allow so many nations to continue to live under non-democratic rule (Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Hungary, etc.,.) after the war was over?
If we were so concerned with democracy, then why weren't we fighting the French and British who each had their own colonies where the colonized did not have freedom (and certainly were not able to participate in a democracy)?
If the war was over democracy then why did the United States align themselves with Chiang Kai-shek (the Dictator of the Repbulic of China) to fight the Japanese? Could it be because the Japanese were threatening the American's own imperialistic interests in the region (the answer is "yes" and it's well documented)?
The war was many many many things, but it was most certainly NOT a war over (or in favour of) democracy.
Oh.... my.... God.
Just friggin Google WW2.
Canadians and Americans both famously sent Jews BACK to Europe when they tried to arrive as refugees in 1939 (many of those potential refugees were slaughtered on European soil by the Nazi death machine).
We didn't even hear about the Holocaust until 1941 at the absolute earliest (2 years after the war began). And THEN we didn't invade France until 1944. If we were so concerned with the plight of the Jews, then why did it take us almost 3 years to go in and save them?
Antisemitism was rife throughout the world in the 30s and 40s (just as it continues to be, albeit to a slightly lesser extent, today). The Germans simply took antisemitism to a whole new level.
WW2 had NOTHING to do with fighting for the freedom of the Jews.
