What's with the mental ilness?

[JoyfulC]

I don't kow if this thread is a troll, but I do know that I worry about some of the overreliance on medications and therapy in young people these days. Our daughter went on antidepressants a couple years back. At the time, she was stuck in a very stressful job and was getting maybe 3 hours a night sleep max and had little opportunity for a normal home or social life. Okay, so under the circumstances, I could understand where maybe she needed pharmacological help.

But last year she moved to a different market, has a more normal schedule and less stressful job. Still, she was reluctant to abandon the antidepressants. I understand that you just can't go off them cold turkey -- but she saw a new family physician in her new city, and she wasn't eager to represcribe them, and our daughter went nuts over this.

Recently, she had some (unnecessary, in my view) plastic surgery and I think it was more physically stressful for her than she thought it would be. This caused a bit of an emotional cascade, and I think she's going through some really weird times right now -- I blame most of it on unnecessary medications and unnecessary surgical procedures. (Of course, my opinion isn't welcome. She's very defensive.)

I think there are way more people on antidepressants today than need to be. Life is shit sometimes, and I think we all have to come to grips with that. I don't think that realizing that fact is the equivalent of depression. I'm not sure I trust the whole therapy thing either -- from talking to friends who have therapists, I wonder if maybe therapists don't have to pander to what their patients want to hear, or risk losing business. I don't really see the difference between therapists and escorts -- except perhaps that there's less business out there for therapists and so they can't be as honest as maybe an escort could be.

It's very frustrating. I look back a few decades and I think I know what my daughter is going through. There comes a point in life where one just has to see the writing on the wall and decide where they're going to fall in the greater scheme of things. It's no princess fairy tale. No matter what you choose, you're going to have to do some giving up. I think she's at that juncture now, but instead of seeing it for reality, I feel that there are those making money off her by deceiving her with "therapy" and selling her drugs.

But too, I might be wrong.

....

It's frustrating.

..c..

 

[a 1 player]

I don't kow if this thread is a troll, but I do know that I worry about some of the overreliance on medications and therapy in young people these days. Our daughter went on antidepressants a couple years back. At the time, she was stuck in a very stressful job and was getting maybe 3 hours a night sleep max and had little opportunity for a normal home or social life. Okay, so under the circumstances, I could understand where maybe she needed pharmacological help.

Being in a streeful job and having little social life are things that one is able to change quite easily in my opinion. One can always change a carreer or get a new job. I was in this situation for years until I decided that I had finally had enough. Unfortunately, stress is not a cause of depression. If it were the remedy would be simple, to change ones lifestyle.

But last year she moved to a different market, has a more normal schedule and less stressful job. Still, she was reluctant to abandon the antidepressants. I understand that you just can't go off them cold turkey -- but she saw a new family physician in her new city, and she wasn't eager to represcribe them, and our daughter went nuts over this.

Some antidepressants can be very addictive and difficult, if not damn near impossible to abandon. Effexor is one of them. The withdrawl symptoms are absolutely crazy. Blood pressure changes, shakes, insomnia, manic phases, vomiting, delusions. In order to minimize the effects of withdrawl, people have even split open the capsules and had to cut down grain my grain over the course of many weeks and months. I was lucky I got off that one at all. Believe it or not, years later I still crave it, and it's not like one becomes high off of it either. Citalopram was easier, but not easy. My blood pressure dropped so low I passed out a couple of times, got the shakes, chills and nausea, but not to the same extent as the Effexor.

Recently, she had some (unnecessary, in my view) plastic surgery and I think it was more physically stressful for her than she thought it would be. This caused a bit of an emotional cascade, and I think she's going through some really weird times right now -- I blame most of it on unnecessary medications and unnecessary surgical procedures. (Of course, my opinion isn't welcome. She's very defensive.).

Not that this is even in the same league, but when I got my first tattoo I went into a really large funk. I just kept thinking that I was scarred for life. The psyche is just plain weird sometimes. Of course, no one could have talked me out of getting that tattoo either.

I think there are way more people on antidepressants today than need to be.

I whole heartedly agree with this statement.

Life is shit sometimes, and I think we all have to come to grips with that. I don't think that realizing that fact is the equivalent of depression.

I agree with this as well.

I'm not sure I trust the whole therapy thing either -- from talking to friends who have therapists, I wonder if maybe therapists don't have to pander to what their patients want to hear, or risk losing business.

This I disagree with. Therapy allows us a different way of seeing our lives and helps us figure out different ways to deal with our 'issues'; some of which we did not even know we had. If therapy is done correctly, it is very difficult and painful coming to self-realizations. Believe me, sometimes it is easier not knowing the truth about ones self. Therapy is not a pep rally or a quick fix, it is usually a long drawn out process of self discovery.

I don't really see the difference between therapists and escorts -- except perhaps that there's less business out there for therapists and so they can't be as honest as maybe an escort could be.

Sorry, I had to laugh out loud here.

A decent escort is able to make one feel like the king of the world for a short period of time. Make you think that you are super intelligent, have a fantastic body, are a Cassanova, that you are irresistable, and the best lover she has ever had. Yes, they are the most honest profession out there. They provide a fantasy, and many of them are quite skilled at it.

It's very frustrating. I look back a few decades and I think I know what my daughter is going through. There comes a point in life where one just has to see the writing on the wall and decide where they're going to fall in the greater scheme of things. It's no princess fairy tale. No matter what you choose, you're going to have to do some giving up. I think she's at that juncture now, but instead of seeing it for reality, I feel that there are those making money off her by deceiving her with "therapy" and selling her drugs.

..c..

Unfortunately, this is part of growing up and is extremely difficult. I think most of us have gone through this at some point in our lives. It is how we deal with it that matters, as well as the support we are able to give those we care about.

 

[jwmorrice]

...Unfortunately, stress is not a cause of depression. If it were the remedy would be simple, to change ones lifestyle.

Chronic stress may be insurmountable, giving rise to feelings of helplessness. This response may become overgeneralized. A person may begin to feel that he/she is always at a loss, even in circumstances that he/she can actually master. Depression, via learned helplessness, has arrived!

Some antidepressants can be very addictive and difficult, if not damn near impossible to abandon. Effexor is one of them. The withdrawl symptoms are absolutely crazy. Blood pressure changes, shakes, insomnia, manic phases, vomiting, delusions. In order to minimize the effects of withdrawl, people have even split open the capsules and had to cut down grain my grain over the course of many weeks and months. I was lucky I got off that one at all. Believe it or not, years later I still crave it, and it's not like one becomes high off of it either. Citalopram was easier, but not easy. My blood pressure dropped so low I passed out a couple of times, got the shakes, chills and nausea, but not to the same extent as the Effexor.

Over the years, I've been on several antidepressants, including Effexor. Never had a problem quitting any of them. I suppose YMMV but what you describe seems somewhat extreme.

jwm

 

[a 1 player]

Chronic stress may be insurmountable, giving rise to feelings of helplessness. This response may become overgeneralized. A person may begin to feel that he/she is always at a loss, even in circumstances that he/she can actually master. Depression, via learned helplessness, has arrived!

Thank you, I had never thought of it that way. But one would believe that there might be ways to reduce stress in ones life such as finding a new job. Do you agree?

Over the years, I've been on several antidepressants, including Effexor. Never had a problem quitting any of them. I suppose YMMV but what you describe seems somewhat extreme.

jwm

lol, I always get the shitty end of the stick when it comes to drugs. I agree that most people would probably not go through anything as bad as this, but for me it was just about the worst thing I have ever gone through. And that includes the night I got kicked in the balls.....twice.

 

[jwmorrice]

Thank you, I had never thought of it that way. But one would believe that there might be ways to reduce stress in ones life such as finding a new job. Do you agree?

Such changes may indeed be beneficial. Unfortunately, the depressed individual may come to feel totally deficient in a number of areas and hopeless that matters can ever be any different. There is a tendency to thinking in extremes. Depression is a tough nut to crack.

jwm

 

[jwmorrice]

I don't kow if this thread is a troll, but I do know that I worry about some of the overreliance on medications and therapy in young people these days. Our daughter went on antidepressants a couple years back. At the time, she was stuck in a very stressful job and was getting maybe 3 hours a night sleep max and had little opportunity for a normal home or social life. Okay, so under the circumstances, I could understand where maybe she needed pharmacological help.

But last year she moved to a different market, has a more normal schedule and less stressful job. Still, she was reluctant to abandon the antidepressants. I understand that you just can't go off them cold turkey -- but she saw a new family physician in her new city, and she wasn't eager to represcribe them, and our daughter went nuts over this.

Recently, she had some (unnecessary, in my view) plastic surgery and I think it was more physically stressful for her than she thought it would be. This caused a bit of an emotional cascade, and I think she's going through some really weird times right now -- I blame most of it on unnecessary medications and unnecessary surgical procedures. (Of course, my opinion isn't welcome. She's very defensive.)

I think there are way more people on antidepressants today than need to be. Life is shit sometimes, and I think we all have to come to grips with that. I don't think that realizing that fact is the equivalent of depression. I'm not sure I trust the whole therapy thing either -- from talking to friends who have therapists, I wonder if maybe therapists don't have to pander to what their patients want to hear, or risk losing business. I don't really see the difference between therapists and escorts -- except perhaps that there's less business out there for therapists and so they can't be as honest as maybe an escort could be.

It's very frustrating. I look back a few decades and I think I know what my daughter is going through. There comes a point in life where one just has to see the writing on the wall and decide where they're going to fall in the greater scheme of things. It's no princess fairy tale. No matter what you choose, you're going to have to do some giving up. I think she's at that juncture now, but instead of seeing it for reality, I feel that there are those making money off her by deceiving her with "therapy" and selling her drugs.

But too, I might be wrong.

....

It's frustrating.

..c..

One must consider the fact that for some, the 'depression' is only a symptom in a larger picture, e.g. borderline personality disorder, and not the larger picture itself. Antidepressants may also be prescribed for problems such as anxiety, eating disorders, etc.

jwm

 

[papasmerf]

mental illness is a multimillion dollar business for providers. Do the math

 

[jwmorrice]

mental illness is a multimillion dollar business for providers. Do the math

So are cancer, heart disease, etc. What's your point? Invest in drug companies??

jwm

 

[FOOTSNIFFER]

I think that any doctor who puts a kid on meds ( with very few exceptions) is a fucking idiot and not much of a doctor.

Also, DSM is changing so often.

Homosexuality in 1973 was classified as mental illness btw.

Psychiatrists VOTE on what's included in the DSM. It's actually more of a political/economic driven rather than scientifically driven. Remember, this is first and foremost a big business for everyone but the patient.

 

[jwmorrice]

There's no denying that the mental health field has always been a trendy place.

"Diseases" come into fashion and may later disappear, e.g. neurasthenia. Multiple Personality Disorder (or whatever the hell it's called now) became a biggie in the 80's. Not so much now. Borderline Personality Disorder is a current chart topper!

A lot of that is probably due to the changing culture. People borrow from what's around them to symbolically depict their distress. Mental health types swim in the same stream.

jwm

 

[Hank Reardon]

Hmmmmm.....

"I wish i knew how to quit you!!!" lol


after reading soem of hanks posts i've come to the expert conclusion that this guy just REALLY likes to argue. about everything. is there a name for this kind of mental illness?

Lets look at the history of this thread vis a vis our interaction "Asylum" -interesting name btw,

You responded to me with a ridiculous out of your hat guess of 50 %

I said, no and explained a bit why and asked you to back it up and also gave you a way how.
You went back and forth another few times, then played the ''victim card''

Then you call me mentally ill !!!

Also by looking at your name , and someone who post a picture of themselves and then gets angry cause people ask if its you ( a compliment , I would guess) and posts another line to that affect ??

Well, how about I look at you then ?

-Playing the victim
-seeking attention

After reading some of your posts my best guess would be borderline personality disorder ,

Ok,your turn sugar,

 

[jillytime]

Lets look at the history of this thread vis a vis our interaction "Asylum" -interesting name btw,

You responded to me with a ridiculous out of your hat guess of 50 %

I said, no and explained a bit why and asked you to back it up and also gave you a way how.
You went back and forth another few times, then played the ''victim card''

Then you call me mentally ill !!!

Also by looking at your name , and someone who post a picture of themselves and then gets angry cause people ask if its you ( a compliment , I would guess) and posts another line to that affect ??

Well, how about I look at you then ?

-Playing the victim
-seeking attention

After reading some of your posts my best guess would be borderline personality disorder ,

Ok,your turn sugar,

Woah, calm down.
Everybody has a difference of opinion of what a mental disorder is, stress and depression overlap....so 50% really isn't a ridiculous out of the hat guess.
I agree with what she said about you loving to argue. I mean look, here you are disecting every word she says and now your bashing her about her signature (love that picture btw). Finally, you end off your post with a stupid comment saying that she has a personality disorder followed by an invitation for more arguing.

 

[jazzpig]

Lets look at the history of this thread vis a vis our interaction "Asylum" -interesting name btw,

You responded to me with a ridiculous out of your hat guess of 50 %

I said, no and explained a bit why and asked you to back it up and also gave you a way how.
You went back and forth another few times, then played the ''victim card''

Then you call me mentally ill !!!

Also by looking at your name , and someone who post a picture of themselves and then gets angry cause people ask if its you ( a compliment , I would guess) and posts another line to that affect ??

Well, how about I look at you then ?

-Playing the victim
-seeking attention

After reading some of your posts my best guess would be borderline personality disorder ,

Ok,your turn sugar,

The power of Christ compels you!

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The ....power.....of.....Christ.........compels you.......

 

[Hank Reardon]

The power of Christ compels you!

The power of Christ compels you!

The power of Christ compels you!

The power of Christ ...compels you!

The power ...of Christ...compels you!

The ...power...of... Christ ...compels you!

The ....power.....of.....Christ.........compels you.......

Seriously what the fuck is it with you ???

 

[Mongrel4u]

The power of Christ compels you!

The power of Christ compels you!

The power of Christ compels you!

The power of Christ ...compels you!

The power ...of Christ...compels you!

The ...power...of... Christ ...compels you!

The ....power.....of.....Christ.........compels you.......

 

[Hank Reardon]

Hank Reardon, thy name is Satan!

We all know that the devil tries to deceive us buy way of rational thinking.
You are to intelligent and rational to be a mere mortal.
Be Gone Belzebul! I will have nothing to do with you!

Either bring something to the table or shut the fuck up punk,

Try and stay on topic , the thread is on mental illness and although you might not agree with me going biblical is quite disrespectful to some.

 

[jazzpig]

Either bring something to the table or shut the fuck up punk,

Try and stay on topic , the thread is on mental illness and although you might not agree with me going biblical is quite disrespectful to some.

AAHHHHH!!!
So NOW you're concerned about being direspectful to some?
You angry, limpdick, hypocritical fuck.

Listen to this:
The power of Christ compels you!

The power of Christ compels you!

The power of Christ compels you!

The power of Christ ...compels you!

The power ...of Christ...compels you!

The ...power...of... Christ ...compels you!

The ....power.....of.....Christ.........compels you.......

 

[Hank Reardon]

AAHHHHH!!!
So NOW you're concerned about being direspectful to some?
You angry, limpdick, hypocritical fuck.

Listen to this:
The power of Christ compels you!

The power of Christ compels you!

The power of Christ compels you!

The power of Christ ...compels you!

The power ...of Christ...compels you!

The ...power...of... Christ ...compels you!

The ....power.....of.....Christ.........compels you.......

Thems pretty tough words pumpkin !!

Seriously , I have no idea what Christ has to do with the discussion though ?

I do know that many mentally ill people do often repeat passages over and over.Many times it is the chanting of Christ and Satan and biblical passages.

 

[Mongrel4u]

Thems pretty tough words pumpkin !!

Seriously , I have no idea what Christ has to do with the discussion though ?

I do know that many mentally ill people do often repeat passages over and over.Many times it is the chanting of Christ and Satan and biblical passages.

Dont waste your time Hank.

Hes clearly out of legitimate arguments

 

[Hank Reardon]

Dont waste your time Hank.

Hes clearly out of legitimate arguments

Well thank you Sir,

I would still like to hear his views !

Come on Jazzy