You should try living in society.
You and I both know that won't happen.
You think China's social credit score is a UBI program?
Countries have been experimenting with it for a hundred years.
A global pandemic is happening globally!? HOW MYSTERIOUS!
As economically conservative (i.e., against high taxes and government payouts) as I am, I am pro-UBI if it is set at a survivor level (a cost of a room far away from the city center, $300/month food allowance and $100/month extra, so, maybe $1000/month total) if all other social programs will be eliminated. And, of course, UBI is for adults only. Children get maybe extra $300/month food and closing allowance. Otherwise we will have "breading household" centres like we have for now. And, of course, make UBI tax-free so that it will not distort the desire work to earn extra money.
And for the third or fourth time you refuse to answer how being a citizen is work you stated it was so please explain explain you have posted NO facts and refused to answer questions which means you have no argument that you can back up
Whenever it's been tried UBI has resulted in people generally improving their circumstances. The predictability lets them make plans, including pursuing retraining, which leads to better work. The few who will abuse it are just that, the few, and will abuse any system. Theyre just a cost of doing business and a small one at that. You want to see costly abuse, look into corporate welfare.
It was run as an experiment. Experiments end. No one has had the political balls to make it permanent until maybe now.
That philosophy doesn't work for all circumstances. The bootstraps story out of poverty is nice but for every person it works for there are more where it didn't. Basic costs need to be met and the truly unfortunate often can't do that no matter how motivated they are. And if they're desperate and short of funds, crime may be the more likely answer if there's no assistance.
BUT its financially unsustainable which is why its abandoned each time for instance above I posted Finland would have had to raise taxes 30% to continue
I don’t believe that the government is capable of efficiently operating such a program and dealing with all of the problems that will ensue. The main problem will be when they asked the crowd how much should they give, the perpetual answer will be ” more more more”!!! The poor man wants to live like the rich man which will lead to certain politicians making Marxist Leninist policies and promises once the can of worms UBI is implemented in a race to the bottom.
Because if I start talking about the concept of UBI as a Pigovian tax on unpaid labor you're just going to throw a fit. So I'm not bothering. You aren't going to be convinced and you don't want a good faith discussion about the concept.
To really test this model in the field, 2-3 years is not enough, as one of the benefits of UBI is to give people ability for long-term planning and making mistakes knowing that UBI is guaranteed for life. One possible experiment is to actually guarantee UBI for life to about 5,000 people of different low to average income (I'd say, for people earning $100K a year or less since people who earn more are unlikely to alter their behaviour). So, with $12K/year UBI we are talking about $60M/year experiment. We may collect and use data from it in 5-10 years but will still have to pay on average 50 years. And somehow we should prevent the participants from receiving any other social benefits and avoid self-selection bias.
One thing people often miss in their analysis of UBI costs is that we would be reallocating money from a whole bunch of separate social services (welfare, unemployment, subsidized housing) and would allow the government(s) to eliminate a whole bunch of departments that would become redundant.
if you post a claim without evidence to back it up it means your WRONG its that simple
answer my question for the FIFTH time you claimed being a citizen is work explain that
You can implement the similar concept as a negative income tax.
This is one of the big fights in UBI and one where the uneasy alliance of libertarians (especially in tech) and more socialists/leftists starts to fray. Lots of the libertarian side think that with UBI you should remove all other forms of welfare or subsidies that go to people. Leftists tend to think some become redundant but not all. That no matter what version you implement, it would almost certainly involve overhauling lots of programs is true, of course.
I am. Answer the question.
