What is your take on the TTC situation??

[tboy]

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I dont see how strikes will sit with the person who lives pay-cheque and now is going to miss work b/c its not viable to cab it to work (e.g. lives in west-end and works in the east end).......

Dude, you hit the nail RIGHT on the head with that one. The TTC isn't the biggest problem, the above quote is....

IMHO if you live more than 20 kms from work you should be forced to relocate nearer to your employer. This IMHO is the number one cause of gridlock, excessive air pollution, and the current state of our city.

As you also stated about NYC and London, their systems are more complex than ours but what I see as the biggest problem with the TTC is that we just don't have enough riders/population to support the system. It is all about money and it takes money to support a public transportation system. How many times do you see a bus/subway/streetcar that only has 1 or 2 people on it? Then they try and tell you that diesel bus, guzzling 1 gallon every 5 miles (est.) and that is more efficient than my truck at 20 mpg? The only time it more efficient is when it is full or halfway so....

 

[papasmerf]

Dude, you hit the nail RIGHT on the head with that one. The TTC isn't the biggest problem, the above quote is....

IMHO if you live more than 20 kms from work you should be forced to relocate nearer to your employer. This IMHO is the number one cause of gridlock, excessive air pollution, and the current state of our city.

Nothing beats a communist ideal?????????

Sick bastard

 

[Uzo]

Make it impossible for the common man to work. Force a vote to cave in.

Make is impossible for the common man to work and then lose his much needed wages or worse...get canned?

I just feel there could have been a heads up like the last strike rather than just this literal shock.

 

[Uzo]

Dude, you hit the nail RIGHT on the head with that one. The TTC isn't the biggest problem, the above quote is....

IMHO if you live more than 20 kms from work you should be forced to relocate nearer to your employer. This IMHO is the number one cause of gridlock, excessive air pollution, and the current state of our city.

Okay, hypothetically speaking...if I had a job in a factory in the east end that I just started, which also was the only one available at a reasonable pay...I should move out of the west-end, take my kids out of school get them all to come with me now to the east end for a factory that might not be there in a couple of months/years? Okay...should I raise the flag of which communist leader on my lawn?

 

[scouser1]

I can totally sympathize with the guy whose daughter was given a hard time by that jackass of a driver I mean picking on a 14 year old give me a break!! having said that I can totally sympathize with the drivers when it comes to safety, especially along some routes into less than desirable parts of TO, they have to deal alot with the riff raff of society who sometimes think its cool to try to get away with skipping out on fares so they have my support.

 

[Svend]

I try to support the drivers and give them a warm greeting each time, many people are less courteous to government workers in general because they feel they're our servants. I've often seen them being abused, it's no wonder they avoid interacting with the public and become hardened to the job. It's a good idea to simply pull over and stop the bus if someone is difficult, I wonder how other major cities are handling the worsening problem.

 

[drlove]

Make is impossible for the common man to work and then lose his much needed wages or worse...get canned?

I just feel there could have been a heads up like the last strike rather than just this literal shock.

The TTC should be deemed an essential service. Therefore, it's employees should not be allowed to strike. The idea of someone possibly losing their job due to a situation like this doesn't sit well with me.

 

[papasmerf]

Make is impossible for the common man to work and then lose his much needed wages or worse...get canned?

I just feel there could have been a heads up like the last strike rather than just this literal shock.

Here we have to give a notice to strike

I figure it is the same there just not passed along

 

[Brookstone]

i had thought that it was just the streetcars, but all ttc. thought at first they were different.

I totally agree with the article below and what ppl had to say. every year its the same thing, workers want more and more, and we give it to them. But what do we get in return?? A raise in the price to use the TTC!

If they keep giving them more and more and keep raising the rates every so often, they should at least have better/proper training programs to teach these ppl what 'service' really is, or even what being nice to everyone is. A more disciplined program. If a worker violates something, then he should be disciplined. Every other work has these things, so they shouldnt be any different. But i guess, when you're in union, you dont have to care/worry about anything.
All the experiences i've faces are all on subways. Few times i've taken streetcars, didnt have any problems, even when i've seen ppl asked the drivers questions they were nice about it.

I'm just sick and tired of ttc ppl complaing and striking every single year.
I do agree they should do something about safety of streetcar drivers though.

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20060529-003/page.asp

 

[Svend]

People didn't know what the issue was and management was unwilling to do anything. A one day strike as a last resort should wake them up, however it's a shame that the poorest take the full brunt of union power.

 

[Brookstone]

did they say it was gonna be 1 day strike or until its solved?

 

[Fabulous]

Oh yes my daughter got streetproofed, she realized that some Toronto citizens are ruthless, now she is not allowed to FORGET (as if that's possible, you'all who never forget go ahead cast your stones, ha ha).

Some of you must be deaf, this is a child we are talking about. Did you know that a drunk can get on the ttc without fare? Did you know that a female can get on the ttc short on fare/or without but only after 9pm. Have you ever tried finding a payphone now days? lol

She wasn't expecting the ttc driver to be so mean, OBVIOUSLY HAD SHE FORSEEN THE EVENTS SHE WOULD HAVE MADE AN ATTEMPT TO CALL HOME. She did the best she could given her immediate situation and that was to borrow a ticket from one of her friends. Not everybody is a seasoned ttc rider, this was the begining of the school year and she was all new to the ttc and their cruelty.

And why should she put herself in more danger looking for a sympathetic stranger or a PERVERT to allow her to use a phone? when the ttc is a public transit and I am sure some of my tax dollars go to it. My kid should be safe to get home on the ttc.

The streetcar driver parked his car for 20 minutes at a major intersection. Sitting there in the left turn lane with his long car, he caused huge traffic caos. Nobody dropped in a buck - to get the car moving, possibly because she was not the only one without a student card who got on. But then why make all the other people who already paid suffer? because they are ruthless and don't giver shit about anything else but the DOLLAR!!!!

Bottom line is that she'll only be a customer for 1 more year and the minute she has her drivers licence, ttc no more!!!! So yeah I am streetproofing her, let her know that she can NOT look for help or depend on the ttc.

Oh yeah and I did make a formal complaint to the ttc, via phone and all the ttc person kept repeating to me is how the ttc is a business, blah blah blah, so yeah no sympathy from me, KEEP THE BEATINGS COMING

 

[Brookstone]

fab i totally agree with you on the situation with your daughter. Of all the ppl that got on his bus that shift, i doubt she would've been the only 1 that didnt give exact change or had wrong the wrong tickets. If he didnt want to drive off, should've called the cops or supervisor or something. But good for the other ppl on the streetcar telling her she dont need to get off.

I dont see why ppl are saying its your daughters fault but,unless she looked a whole lot older, i dont see how anyone cannot see a young girl whos 14, after school , is not a student, whose standing school bus stop as well.
They are right it is a businees, and they have a job to do, but i dont see what would make them think a young girl isnt a student.

I used to take the 'sauga transit at times, back in HS. Never once was i asked for a student ID, even when I buy tickets.

 

[tboy]

Dude, funny how when something like this happens "she's a child" yet I bet dollars to donuts she wants to dress and act like she's 30.....

As for being young, that doesn't automatically give her a student discount. A student discount is an incentive for kids to stay in school and to get their student id, they have to be. This is no different than the new legislation that is being discussed about not issuing a driver's licence to teens not in school.

Anyhow, don't bash the driver for following the rules, he is only doing his job. As for the driver sitting there for 20 minutes. Who's timeframe is this? Your daughter's? Was it on the news? I bet if a streetcar stopped for 20 minutes close to rush hour, there'd be a cop there in a minute wondering what was going on. If nothing else the traffic would have been backed up for miles.

Maybe it was 2 minutes not 20? Or is your daughter one of the .001 % that doesn't exaggerate everything?

1) He did the right thing
2) after hassling her for a couple of minutes he went on (or should have)
3) It isn't his fault that your daughter fucked up

Shit happens, hell, if this is the worst thing that happens to her this year then she's gotten off lucky. Get over it!

 

[Fabulous]

Additionally, as I recall what really peed me off at that time, is that the ttc was either talking about or already brought in that pass swap, where anybody could share their monthly passes and I could not understand how they could not forgive her.

She looks more like a 12 year old actually, she could probably get away with a child fare ticket but we don't do that, because we are HONEST. She pleaded with the driver and even went as far as explaining to him that her mom drove her to school and she forgot her purse. She has a very sweet and kind charachter, harmless and definatelly not a deamon, carrying a school backpack unmistakenly a student. The ttc driver simply RUTHLESS.

I see them union drivers now on the tv news, screaming to the camera and the riders: "WE DON'T NEED TO LISTEN TO YOU"
what a bunch of jokers, I hope they get ordered back to work.

 

[papasmerf]

Additionally, as I recall what really peed me off at that time, is that the ttc was either talking about or already brought in that pass swap, where anybody could share their monthly passes and I could not understand how they could not forgive her.

She looks more like a 12 year old actually, she could probably get away with a child fare ticket but we don't do that, because we are HONEST. She pleaded with the driver and even went as far as explaining to him that her mom drove her to school and she forgot her purse. She has a very sweet and kind charachter, harmless and definatelly not a deamon, carrying a school backpack unmistakenly a student. The ttc driver simply RUTHLESS.

I see them union drivers now on the tv news, screaming to the camera and the riders: "WE DON'T NEED TO LISTEN TO YOU"
what a bunch of jokers, I hope they get ordered back to work.

Public emplyees who strike should be terminated.

Keep it simple you work for the public you have their trust. You violate that and you are gone. Period.

 

[Fabulous]

Dude, funny how when something like this happens "she's a child" yet I bet dollars to donuts she wants to dress and act like she's 30.....

dude eat all the donuts you want and get a life, not everything is embelished, what the fuck do you want me to do? take out an ad to see who was all on that streetcar? lots of people, you go and investigate! no the ttc driver wasn't doing his job, he should have called the cops or the ttc supervisor and reported that a 14 year old got on the streetcar without id.

RULES ARE RULES

 

[papasmerf]

dude eat all the donuts you want and get a life, not everything is embelished, what the fuck do you want me to do? take out an ad to see who was all on that streetcar? lots of people, you go and investigate! no the ttc driver wasn't doing his job, he should have called the cops or the ttc supervisor and reported that a 14 year old got on the streetcar without id.

RULES ARE RULES

Keep this in mind

Not everyone has compassion.

 

[Neverenuff$]

Hmmm I see rules are rules... when are contracts contracts?

the union has a contract .. abide by it

 

[papasmerf]

Hmmm I see rules are rules... when are contracts contracts?

the union has a contract .. abide by it

How has the public voilated the contract?