What are YOU going to do to help crack down on sexual slavery?
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As was pointed out earlier, there is a difference between a couple of street thugs who prey on the weak to get their jollies and organized crime. Organized crime is big business, with big money involved. If one beleives that there is no violent crime coming from the Bloods, Cripps, Hells Angels, etc., or that they will not go to any means necessary to 'protect their investments' they are sadly mistaken. We are not speaking of a street crack dealer here. This is an international organization who already has the funds to recruit, transport, and enslave people. I would bet a days wages that this is only one of their business ventures as well.
When people are desperate they do desperate things. This is a fact. If a person threatens to take hundreds of thousands of dollars away from them, take away their livliehood, or threatens to put them in jail, one can be sure they will do everything in their power to eliminate the 'problem'. This is not TV, this is real life, and it happens all the time. If you don't beleive me, ask any police officer.
I do agree that the smaller hoods might find a rock to crawl under, but as I have stated earlier, this is probably (no make that definately), not a small time operation. Hell, even if only one woman sees three people a day, that is still $600+ every day coming in. That one person alone is an 'investment' to protect.
As another person stated, most gangs do not come out with blazing guns in the middle of daylight. There are more subtle and effective ways of dealing with a problem. Make no mistake also, many criminals are very intelligent. To be able to make shit loads of money, and fly under the radar is not an easy task. Again, I am not talking about an under-the-table construction job, but thousands, or even millions of dollars that are laundered yearly.
If one does not beleive that this goes on in 'the real world', they are living in a dreamland.
When people are desperate they do desperate things. This is a fact. If a person threatens to take hundreds of thousands of dollars away from them, take away their livliehood, or threatens to put them in jail, one can be sure they will do everything in their power to eliminate the 'problem'. This is not TV, this is real life, and it happens all the time. If you don't beleive me, ask any police officer.
I do agree that the smaller hoods might find a rock to crawl under, but as I have stated earlier, this is probably (no make that definately), not a small time operation. Hell, even if only one woman sees three people a day, that is still $600+ every day coming in. That one person alone is an 'investment' to protect.
As another person stated, most gangs do not come out with blazing guns in the middle of daylight. There are more subtle and effective ways of dealing with a problem. Make no mistake also, many criminals are very intelligent. To be able to make shit loads of money, and fly under the radar is not an easy task. Again, I am not talking about an under-the-table construction job, but thousands, or even millions of dollars that are laundered yearly.
If one does not beleive that this goes on in 'the real world', they are living in a dreamland.
A1, again, you're being ridiculous. We're talking about giving someone your phone number and then chatting with them about their rights. We are NOT talking about confronting criminals or creating some kind of show down.
What you are doing is excusing your own failure to act like a man by painting this sensationalistic and wrong picture of what would happen if you did.
The bigger the organized crime operation, the more worried they are about public exposure, which is what they'd get if they went harassing and threatening everyone who crossed their path.
What you are doing is excusing your own failure to act like a man by painting this sensationalistic and wrong picture of what would happen if you did.
The bigger the organized crime operation, the more worried they are about public exposure, which is what they'd get if they went harassing and threatening everyone who crossed their path.
Hey, I'm all for the anonymous phone call to crime stoppers, that is definately being involved. I have yet to go to an establishment where I have beleived people are being treated unjustly though. If I were in that situation, I would certainly become involved, however not to the point where I put myself or my family in imminent danger.
I have seen first hand people getting their legs broken, getting a gun waved in their face, and threats against peoples families. In every situation, it was not by the person who was owed money to. Broken legs do not make it to the news, as most people are so scared shitless at that point to report it to the police.
I have had my house broken into and my dog killed for just being a friend to someone who owed money and for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I called the police, there was no protection offered and the crime is still unsolved. They have seen the pictures of my children on the walls of my home and probably know where they go to school. Again, I WASN'T EVEN INVOLVED!!!! I have had the house I was living in burned down because the fool upstairs owed someone $1000. Again, unsolved.
And "excusing my own failure to act as a man", you don't know jack shit about me brother. I am all for a good debate, but a personal attack shows that you are an ignorant little boy who cannot stand to hear an arguement from someone who disagrees with you for fear you might be wrong. Please, prove me wrong here. I have lived this shit, and yes it does happen.
I have seen first hand people getting their legs broken, getting a gun waved in their face, and threats against peoples families. In every situation, it was not by the person who was owed money to. Broken legs do not make it to the news, as most people are so scared shitless at that point to report it to the police.
I have had my house broken into and my dog killed for just being a friend to someone who owed money and for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I called the police, there was no protection offered and the crime is still unsolved. They have seen the pictures of my children on the walls of my home and probably know where they go to school. Again, I WASN'T EVEN INVOLVED!!!! I have had the house I was living in burned down because the fool upstairs owed someone $1000. Again, unsolved.
And "excusing my own failure to act as a man", you don't know jack shit about me brother. I am all for a good debate, but a personal attack shows that you are an ignorant little boy who cannot stand to hear an arguement from someone who disagrees with you for fear you might be wrong. Please, prove me wrong here. I have lived this shit, and yes it does happen.
fuji said:
That is a very naive statement. Thank your lucky stars that you have never run into any real criminals.
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That is not what I mean. What I mean is if you give your number to the girl trying to "save" her you might do more damage then good. I have nothing against reporting it, infact I am all for it. However by directly involving yourself (i.e. letting the criminals know you are reporting them by passing the girl your number) you might be doing more harm then good.fuji said:
Secondly many of these operations tightly monitor their ladies and you can bet phone calls are monitored/restricted.
Well Fuji, I just checked & my balls are full grown & intact. On the other hand I stand by my comments that I think perhaps you are possibly putting yourself in a situation that will not be good for either you or the girls you try to help.fuji said:
The 'low-lifes" that we are talking about here are not the scumbag local pimp who has coerced one or more misguided girls into the trade with drugs or promise of true love . The real sex-slave trade is operated by organized crime rings with international affiliations. As I mentioned in my last post, the concequences of prosecution are extreme and the potential revenue from each girl is significant. You suggest that forgoing a couple of tricks would provide you the funds to hire a 'tail' on one of these people. I suggest that the revenue from one of these girls could be used to hire someone to do grievous harm to you. Yes there may have been only 80 murders in Toronto last year, but a large percentage of the victims were not random. Organized crime rings will avoid attention, but they will not shut down & hide because one individual wants to save the world. Gang land style slaying do happen and there are people in this city who will hurt people for money.
These girls, as the reports indicated, are worked 7 days a week and are 'isolated'. I don't suppose they have the freedom to go on an unpaid 'date' at the local coffee shop with one of their Johns.
The problem with this board is that I and several others offer you a reasonable point of view and valid advice and for that we called cowards and told to grow some balls.
I have seen the results of gang retribution and it is not pretty.
fuji said:
Well Fuji, I just checked & my balls are full grown & intact. On the other hand I stand by my comments that I think perhaps you are possibly putting yourself in a situation that will not be good for either you or the girls you try to help.
The 'low-lifes" that we are talking about here are not the scumbag local pimp who has coerced one or more misguided girls into the trade with drugs or promise of true love . The real sex-slave trade is operated by organized crime rings with international affiliations. As I mentioned in my last post, the concequences of prosecution are extreme and the potential revenue from each girl is significant. You suggest that forgoing a couple of tricks would provide you the funds to hire a 'tail' on one of these people. I suggest that the revenue from one of these girls could be used to hire someone to do grievous harm to you. Yes there may have been only 80 murders in Toronto last year, but a large percentage of the victims were not random. Organized crime rings will avoid attention, but they will not shut down & hide because one individual wants to save the world. Gang land style slaying do happen and there are people in this city who will hurt people for money.
I have seen the results of gang retribution and it is not pretty.
These girls, as the reports indicated, are worked 7 days a week and are 'isolated'. I don't suppose they have the freedom to go on an unpaid 'date' at the local coffee shop with one of their Johns.
The problem with this board is that I and several others offer you a reasonable point of view and valid advice and for that you question my balls??
Damn!! Is your name Rambo or Terminator by any chance. Now, the type of events you described above......a 1 player said:
I have to laugh a little if you consider the Crips and Bloods organized crime...Hells' Angels, getting there, but crips and bloods being involved in human trafficking....
P.S. I must add that Fuji has been starting some of the most retarded threads lately....thanks buddy.
I stand corrected, you are right. The Bloods and Crips are not organized crime in the true meaning. I guess my point was more that these affiliations are not scared to protect their revenue by any means necessary. I apologize for the mis-information.loco2.0 said:
You're nuts or know nothing about OC if you think the Bloods and Crips aren't organized crime. They have a massive, reasonably well-organized network that has infilitrated most of the U.S. and are heavily involved in drug trafficking, along with murder-for-hire, extortion and forced prostitution.
I won't say that you gents are racist, but you're definitely naive if you don't think that what started as gangs are not in fact now highly organized and every bit as plugged-in as the Mafia, Russians, triads/Asians or bikers.
PS - fuji, while your heart is in the right place, how can anyone really know who is forced into the business? Canadian-born girls are forced into prostitution, their will is beaten, drugged and threatened out of them. I hope you bring your lie detector and sodium pentathol with you to every encounter with an SP. But I hear you, so keep fighting the good fight, and I'll try to do the same.
I won't say that you gents are racist, but you're definitely naive if you don't think that what started as gangs are not in fact now highly organized and every bit as plugged-in as the Mafia, Russians, triads/Asians or bikers.
PS - fuji, while your heart is in the right place, how can anyone really know who is forced into the business? Canadian-born girls are forced into prostitution, their will is beaten, drugged and threatened out of them. I hope you bring your lie detector and sodium pentathol with you to every encounter with an SP. But I hear you, so keep fighting the good fight, and I'll try to do the same.
Herod: I am not going to know for sure, obviously. If I suspect I will pass along information about what has happened to other women in similar situation (so they have a different version than the fear mongering one that they've been given) and a number to call for help (like Wendy Leavar's number).
So some people think giving my number is going too far. A couple of people have pointed out that giving my number might put these women in danger--even if their abusers simply think they are trying to work on the side, could be a problem.
So, during a session I have a private place to talk to them and I guess I will use that opportunity to tell them what their options are.
I am still not afraid of giving my number. Contrary to all the TV land BS and bluster being posted here you have to do a lot more than drop a number and say hi to get an OC group so worked up they're willing to risk public exposure coming after you.
At no point did I suggest I'd confront these people, that's a job for the police. My role is to pass information to the victims about their rights and alternatives, and pass information to the police about the situation, and that's it.
You guys really don't have balls if that is too scary for you.
So some people think giving my number is going too far. A couple of people have pointed out that giving my number might put these women in danger--even if their abusers simply think they are trying to work on the side, could be a problem.
So, during a session I have a private place to talk to them and I guess I will use that opportunity to tell them what their options are.
I am still not afraid of giving my number. Contrary to all the TV land BS and bluster being posted here you have to do a lot more than drop a number and say hi to get an OC group so worked up they're willing to risk public exposure coming after you.
At no point did I suggest I'd confront these people, that's a job for the police. My role is to pass information to the victims about their rights and alternatives, and pass information to the police about the situation, and that's it.
You guys really don't have balls if that is too scary for you.
I notice you have posted reviews of SP's from the agency some have speculated might be the one that has been busted.loco2.0 said:
Pretty sad comment on you that you are potentially contributing to this pretty directly, and yet you don't have the decency or the manhood to do a damn thing for the people you encounter. In fact you think trying to help them is "retarded".
Really sad.
You misunderstood, the only thing that is clearly retarded is you. I could go ahead and logically shred your "arguement" to little pieces....suffice to say that I don't feel a need to publicly (or privately for that matter) tell anybody what I do or do not do.
Cyber super heroes are jokes bud.....
Cyber super heroes are jokes bud.....
Oh you sound like a real hero all right, you're out there very possibly having sex with enslaved women and you don't give a rats ass and can't be bothered to stick your cowardly neck out one inch to offer even the slightest help.loco2.0 said:
I asked on my first post whether you're part of the problem, or part of the solution. I guess we know your answer.
They sure have.S.C. Joe said:
50 million illegal aliens in the USA and one overpaid knucklehead, Lou Dobbs, complaining 'bout it. You know Dobbs has a little wee-wee, according to his female producer.Gyaos Baltar.
Well Gyaos hope you had a nice time in Japan. However, you are dead wrong that illegal immigaration is not a high profile issue in the U.S.Gyaos said:
