What are YOU going to do to help crack down on sexual slavery?

[goalie000]

You know what I think? I think if even 10% of customers start routinely asking these kinds of questions they'll get pretty uncomfortable and scurry away.

If I'm the only guy in the city who is asking girls if their workplace is safe and treats them OK, then they can come and target me.

If we all routinely ask those kinds of questions what are their options really but to hire only consenting escorts?

I guess it all depends on the Ladies that you see. I can honestly say that I've never seen a Lady that I thought was there against her own free will.
I guess if I do come in Contact with someone who I feel is in need of help, I will make an effort to do so in some way.

 

[S.C. Joe]

I don't know, every time now I see a bruise, cuts or scratch marks I will wounder now how it really happen.

I always thought I was seeing happy young ladies but not all were like very happy. They all had no problem leaving thou but I try to treat them all pretty nice so I am guessing they had a better place to go to.

 

[HafDun]

If they want to come after me they have to stick their necks out a little too, I have more resources and I'm more aware of my rights than the girls they beat up. I know at least a little about who they are too, if they're responding to me giving my # to their girl, so they'll have to think about whether they want to start something with someone capable and somewhat connected (as are any of us born here).

That said if I started actively targetting their agency I am sure they would come after me--but just for passing my number on to one of their girls?

Cockroaches don't like sunlight, I don't think they would crawl out from their rock far enough to bother with me unless I got a lot more involved than a phone call and coffee.

Fuji, your intentions are noble but when I read your posts I question whether you appreciate the danger you could put yourself in.

We are talking here about slavery, kidnapping, extortion, forceful confinement and international smuggling and immigration infractions.
Do you think for a second that if these people see you as threat, not only to their revenue but to their security, they will care a rat's ass about your "connections".

By all means, I think everyone should keep vigilent for signs of girls that are working under duress and turn the info over to the authorities. Playing social worker or detective in these circumstance could be a deadly mistake.

 

[a 1 player]

Fuji, your intentions are noble but when I read your posts I question whether you appreciate the danger you could put yourself in.

We are talking here about slavery, kidnapping, extortion, forceful confinement and international smuggling and immigration infractions.
Do you think for a second that if these people see you as threat, not only to their revenue but to their security, they will care a rat's ass about your "connections".

By all means, I think everyone should keep vigilent for signs of girls that are working under duress and turn the info over to the authorities. Playing social worker or detective in these circumstance could be a deadly mistake.

I have to agree here. This is not some cheezy prime time tv show. If in fact you are almost certain that slavery is involved, do it anonomously. Do not put yourslef in danger. There is a saying that has a lot of truth to it, though I can't remember it verbatim, it goes something like this...

When there is a confrontation between a thief and a murderer, the murderer usually wins.

 

[Back Burner]

Fuji,

Guys here are either pussy's or don't care. Guys want to go to cheap incalls and get blown and if there's a possibility it could be some sex slavery shit going on, they'll play dumb or ignore it. Does anyone believe that out of all the reviews on TERB that none of them could be tied to sex slavery? And yet I've never heard anyone ever accuse any agency/incall/outcall/MP of doing such a thing.

 

[shai]

Ee

That's why I try to stick to canadian ladies.

Let's face it. Organized crime from Eastern Europe and Asia are in this business up to their eye teeth and ubiquitous here in town.

I'll be steering clear of the asian message places I used to frequent as a result as well.

I'm finding it easy, since I started my personal poycott of MLSE offerrings last year.

Cheers

Shai

 

[Robio]

Why would I want to crack down on it ?

Maybe find ladies who like it and then Clone them.

 

[frankcastle]

When I ventured into the SP realm there were times I wondered if I was with an SP who is part of some sort of human trafficking scheme. And I don't think there's any easy way to tell for sure I mean do you

a) go by the reputation of the company? I don't know I'm sure there could be new ones that are on the up and up. Just as easily as there could be old ones that are not.

b) go by the appearance of the SP? Well if they can fake the orgasms and interest I'm sure it's not much of a stretch to pretend you are happy and well treated.

c) maybe go with indy's? Just as easy to fake an indy operation I suppose.

d) go for MPs? well again they can be fronts for this sort of operation as well.

e) pricing? are slaves cheaper.... not necessarily.

I think the difficult is not knowing what to look for.

Here's the hypocritical part I'm sure like many out there I'd like to think of myself as a gentleman hobbiest but I really have no screening process to prevent the use of services from an unwilling SP.

Someone mentioned legalization but using the states as an example it's legal to be work in many jobs that are typically given to illegal immigrants. If people are willing to work for less or forced to work for less then whether the job is legal or not is moot.

As for being a pussy. I'd think twice about calling the police knowing that if they have a phone log they might be able to track me down. Yeah the fear of real danger does affect how I would act. I'll be honest.

But I'd say for the most part I probably have not encountered much since I really don't favour asian or EE mps or SPs.

 

[raven@mirage]

Why bother they don't give a fuck, and it takes years to get criminal compensation.

 

[S.C. Joe]

Because the ladies are human and are being used and abused.

Think if you were in their place, its not right to first force a lady to have sex with many guys for money if she does not want to and second to live off them and not give them the fair share of the money they make.

This is not like shoplifting a $10 item from a place like Wal Mart. How can anybody say or think "so what"

 

[fuji]

Fuji, your intentions are noble but when I read your posts I question whether you appreciate the danger you could put yourself in.

Grow some balls dude. Out of a city of four million there were eighty murders last year. You know how I interpret that? I interpret that to mean that if you are putting your life in danger it's by doing something more than passing your phone number around.

If these dudes want to come after me, and I know who they are (and I know the phone# of their agency and where it is for starters), then they better be prepared to go all the way, because if they chicken out I have my resources too. With 80/4mil dead last year I will take my chances and so can they.

Here is something I know about them: They are into all kinds of shit they don't want anyone to know about, and I'm not. Pay a guy a few bucks to follow them around and photograph everything they do and everyone they talk to and you can probably fuck them over. What would I have to pay to have that done, give up how many trips to an SP? Three? Four? Probably one days is enough. Probably one day of that's enough to send them scurrying back to the nearest rock. Maybe if I were targetting them, going out of my way to fuck them over, otherwise, they have more to lose than I do by stirring the pot.

Hello cockroaches, say hi to the sunlight. Bring it on.

You guys are chickenshits.

 

[S.C. Joe]

Oh you won't get murder, no, you just "disappear", ha ha.

Really you are great for feeling so sorry for them but just be careful. They have their "friends" too. Sometimes they play really mean too, maybe you be fine but what about your love ones. Thats how they work too. Sometimes they don't hurt the girls but threaten and or hurt the girls kids maybe parents back in their home country if they cause trouble.

 

[fuji]

You guys watch too much tv and make yourselves feel like your life would be so exciting if you grew some balls. In real life nothing will happen. You give your phone# to this girl and she goes to the cops and these guys fucking cower.

If they have that much to hid they're not going to crawl out from under their rock unless you go looking for them, or you are deeply involved, or whatever. They got way too much to lose sticking out their necks, more than you have to lose.

They get into a spat with you, they go away to jail, maybe you get beat up. Five years later you forgot about them, they're still locked up. Even lowlife high school drop outs are smart enough not to fuck themselves over like that. They only threaten people weaker than they are, they don't go threatening people who can bite back unless you're really throwing down a glove and fucking with them directly then they have no choice 'cuz you're fucking with them anyway.

 

[Aardvark154]

Anybody seen the movie Eastern Promises? If not you should, quite apropos given the subject matter.

 

[a 1 player]

I respectfully disagree Fuji. Having been involved with gangs in the past, they play for keeps.

 

[fuji]

I respectfully disagree Fuji. Having been involved with gangs in the past, they play for keeps.

Sorry but this is TV land bull shit. Real life is no sopranos, guys doing illegal shit are scared shitless of attention. They'll fuck with people who have nothing, walk up to one of these guys and slap him and he'll pull a gun 'cuz he's an idiot, but they'll think long and hard before consciously going and fucking with someone who could turn a big spotlight on their activities.

These guys are more scared of grandma on the corner than they are of a 17 year old with an attitude. There's a reason for that. Grandma can call in a different kind of cavalry. Cockroaches beware.

Put it this way: More people get killed in 2 hours in a movie like "Eastern Promises" than get killed in Toronto in a whole year. Guess what real life is not really like?

 

[S.C. Joe]

We have "balls" we also have common sense.

Again, sometimes these guys will hurt another person, the ladies mother, father, sister, kid back in her home town. Thats not just in the movies, thats real life.

Over in my neck of the woods we have had our fair share of the mob. A teamster president named Jimmy Hoffa disappeared back in 1975. His body has never been found.

Over in NY they had John Gotti part of the Gambino crime family, you got on their shit list, bye bye.

Maybe these guys aren't as powerful, maybe they are. They were able to sneak many ladies in to Canada using pretty good fake passports--from what the papers say. One thing for sure was they were making good money off these girls. Money buys friends, they would have not much trouble to pay some local gang to come down on you-or your love ones.

We have no idea how wide spread this is, hopefully you are right Fuji, its just a bunch of punks who lucked out getting a few girls in and since they could not speak English they could not ask for help.

But it could be just the tip of the iceberg. Look how many MP, escort company's there are just in Toronto. How do we know whats happening with all those ladies. There are some guys who could careless about people rights, children abuse. Some of those guys like little kids, many girls overseas have kids at a young age, we do not know if they are being forced for the safety of their kids to "behave" them selfs.

If anybody thinks somebody is in danger, tip off the police, let them look in to it. Thanks to this case they might be really trying to crack down now and follow up on any tips.

 

[JessiMae]

I respectfully disagree Fuji. Having been involved with gangs in the past, they play for keeps.

Exactly.

There might be a few who are just common punks who have a few girls, however I am willing to bet most are involved in some form of highly organized crime. It is one thing to anonymously report activity to the police, it is another to get directly involved. Giving your number to the girl just makes things worse. For one it may even interfere with an investigation (that you or i do not know about) already underway.

 

[trisket]

heh heh, a self described "womanizing slimeball" is now concerned about how she's being treated.

 

[fuji]

Money buys friends, they would have not much trouble to pay some local gang to come down on you-or your love ones.

If that were reality rather than TV then there would be a lot more than 80 people murderd out of four million in Toronto. Those are lottery odds.

Sure, if you're deeply involved with these people for years and repeatedly cross them then sooner or later someone may kill you. Ditto if you storm in and confront them about what they are doing--an emotional standoff with a lowlife is not in your best interests. On the other hand, having coffee with an escort and telling her what her rights is not the same thing as being Jimmy Hoffa. Get a grip.

If anybody thinks somebody is in danger, tip off the police, let them look in to it.

I'm suggesting nothing more than explaining to immigrant SP's how they can protect their rights by calling the cops, what is likely to happen to them, etc., and then letting them do exactly that. I may couple that with an anonymous tip. I am not proposing that you go storm in and confront anyone and attempt some kind of quixotic rescue--leave the drama and the action to the police.

You watch too much TV and you've scared yourself.