Visible minorities??????????????????

[King Midas]

The doctor who graduated at the bottom of his class...

I wonder how you would feel if you needed emergency surgery to save your life and the Doctor (who graduated at the bottom of his class but got the job because of his skin color) was operating on you? Affirmative action has never worked and never will.

Devo

... is still a doctor.

And - hello - plenty of Black people have had to work TWICE as hard, to achieve half the success of whites.

 

[themexi]

What you can't read either?
I have already said my bias is cultural....

...you must not have been on TERB long.
However, it is a good example of why hiring preferences exist....because clearly HE isn't going to be hiring anyone who is a member of a minority group who he even THINKS is a less than perfect model citizen in every way.

This whole business of exaggerating my words & outright fabrication to get me to fit into your sad worldview that everyone that is not %100 tolerant of Everything HAS to be racist.... is lame & tiresome.

Here... let me quote myself:

" By type I don't men race or even nationality at all. I mean the poor & uneducated & criminal. There is not a single continent, country, region, race , clan or family that doesn't have both highly employable & desirable citizens & human garbage. All we need to do is demand better performance from our immigration department. Treat it like a job interview.... if there is Any doubt about a persons character or ability to fit in they are denied. If they claim to be a humanitarian charity case we'll send them back with some $ & food.

If we really need more people to boost the population why are we not sending recruiters to countries, finding educated, demonstratively compatible people & making it truly worth their while to come here? "

Please point out where I stated that I would refuse to hire anyone who is a member of a minority group who I even THINK is a less than perfect model citizen in every way.

YOU are the one pushing the race angle & YOU are improperly understanding my desire for Compatibility & Fitting into Our society as some demand for perfection....

I have met Brits that I think should never be allowed to breed Or come here & I have met some people from non euro countries that I only wish lived in my neighborhood.

Seriously..... point out the RACISM there or the PERFECTIONISM.....

I've said it before...I'll say it again...we will no longer need such preferences when average middle of the road minorities can assume they will receive the same breaks as average middle of the road white kids. A "C" student fuck up white kid shows up for a job interview at a local grocery store...the manager chews his ass a bit, tells him to cut his hair, asks him to not wear his 'Death Metal Rape 3000" t-shirt in the store, then gives him a job....because that kids reminds him of how he was at that age, he the kid just "needs a break". If Black kid shows up with twists and baggy jeans, that store manager assumes he is a gang member without even asking to see a resume or some grades...

You said a lot before & you're saying a lot again.... but the message is still so lame that you have to put words in others mouths because yours don't make enough sense on their own......

If a black kid shows up in a 'Death Metal Rape 3000" tshirt I'd be more apt to hire him than the white kid in twists and baggy jeans. How is that racist or perfectionist? Oh & another thing.... Grades aren't the be all & end all of judging a person either... plenty of straight A slackers & thieves out there..... I would judge a hire in a situation like that by Experience & their attitude.... Once again..... no race or perfection involved.





Seriously.... find some criticisms you can back up or at least do a better job twisting a mans words or outright fabricating them. Tht attempt was just pathetic....




Next PC Zombie Please

 

[RTRD]

Yawn....

If a black kid shows up in a 'Death Metal Rape 3000" tshirt I'd be more apt to hire him than the white kid in twists and baggy jeans. How is that racist or perfectionist?

...yeah, whatever.

Of course what I said was a presumption...but I am very confident of it.

Why? Because above you just stated you have a bias against cultural icons associated with one race versus another...with your presumption being that those icons are an indicator of the person inside...versus simply being a common fashionable appearance. You are more comfortable with "white" icons than "Black" icons...regardless of the person inside the clothes or underneath the hair. THAT is exactly the bias I am speaking to.

Fortunately for me, I am well past needing the approval of people like you. Unfortunately for men and women younger than me, you are still out there making hiring decisions...which is why hiring preferences are still needed.

I know you don't think you are racist....I haven't met anyone yet who does, frankly...

 

[elmo]

Regular white folks are now a visible minority...

 

[themexi]

...yeah, whatever.

Of course what I said were a presumption...but I am very confident of it.

I know you don't think you are racist....I haven't met anyone yet who does, frankly...

Yeah whatever is right..... once again you didn't read & you didn't listen....

You were challenged to point out were in my writing there was proof of Racism or even perfectionism.....

Knowing you'd fail because there aren't any you clumsily try to spin the onus on me..... Not going to work cheif....

First of all, you being "well past needing the approval of people like" me must make you feel very secure & happy....... however what you feel is irrelevant to this discussion.....

Trying to twist things with the weak reply that I don't think I'm a racist is a very old trick.... but a trick all the same.

You see it is wordplay intended to give yourself the appearance of open mindedness & tolerance while attempting to divert attention to the fact that you were called on for putting words in my mouth to prove your nonexistent point & baseless accusation. And that you cannot use actual facts to back it up because there aren't any.

If you make an accusation.... the simple fact is that the onus is on YOU to back it up....... restating your own feelings & opinions over & over just. won't cut. it.... YOU are the one that is sticking to a presumption that you re very confident of for no particular reason. One could almost say that....... dare I say it ...... IN tolerant??? You might have to turn in your PCU alumni discount card....



Get to the point. Cut the crap... Or open a dictionary & find a term to call me that you can actually prove....

 

[RTRD]

Or, in otherwords...

Yeah whatever is right..... once again you didn't read & you didn't listen....

You were challenged to point out were in my writing there was proof of Racism or even perfectionism.....

Knowing you'd fail because there aren't any you clumsily try to spin the onus on me..... Not going to work cheif....

First of all, you being "well past needing the approval of people like" me must make you feel very secure & happy....... however what you feel is irrelevant to this discussion.....

Trying to twist things with the weak reply that I don't think I'm a racist is a very old trick.... but a trick all the same.

You see it is wordplay intended to give yourself the appearance of open mindedness & tolerance while attempting to divert attention to the fact that you were called on for putting words in my mouth to prove your nonexistent point & baseless accusation. And that you cannot use actual facts to back it up because there aren't any.

If you make an accusation.... the simple fact is that the onus is on YOU to back it up....... restating your own feelings & opinions over & over just. won't cut. it.... YOU are the one that is sticking to a presumption that you re very confident of for no particular reason. One could almost say that....... dare I say it ...... IN tolerant??? You might have to turn in your PCU alumni discount card....



Get to the point. Cut the crap... Or open a dictionary & find a term to call me that you can actually prove....

...you are allowed to make assumptions about people without basis other than what is driven by your owns bias, but others can't...

I call them as I see them...as did others. You can leap to conclusions about people in baggy jeans...I can leap to conclusions about people you think what a person wears defines who they are.

Actually, it might be a bit more defensible...and intelligent sounding...if your position is "I don't like minorities and wouldn't hire one, biased on my prejudices" versus "I don't' like baggy jeans, and wouldn't hire anyone wearing them, regardless of anything else about the person". The later just sounds...man...really, really stupid...

 

[toughb]

Yes but only in Quebec...

is a visible minority in Canada someone that does not speak French?

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The rest are called Canadians...

 

[deep_blue]

I live in the southern part of York region so as a WASP that would move me to the top of the list.

Truth in humor? That could also apply if you were living in Peel as well.

 

[Fred Zed]

I don't believe Venus_Mgr's friend either

At best, your friend is fudging the truth. At worst, your friend is LYING to you.

Government forms do not say visible minorities receive first consideration. What they do say is:

The Ontario Public Service is an equal opportunity employer.
Accommodation will be provided in accordance with the Ontario Human Rights Code.

That is VERY different than saying visible minorities receive first consideration.

Your friend is lying to you to cover up why they didn't get the job.

I would have to the see the exact wording on the government application form.
But let's say in a particular govt dept such as (fire services) some groups are heavily underepresented, then a case can be made for sporadic hiring programs that favour the underepresented group(s).
Several years ago I attended interviews at the Ont Governrment
under one of their minority hiring programs. Most of the people at the interviews that I attended
were actually white ( women) not people of colour.

 

[basketcase]

Regular white folks are now a visible minority...

Metamucil will help for that majority of whites who are not regular.





Really, visible minorities are less than 15% of the countries population.

 

[RTRD]

Shhh....

Most of the people at the interviews that I attended
were actually white ( women) not people of colour.

...most people don't like to hear (let alone believe) that.

I can't speak with confidence about Canada, but in the U.S. NO GROUP has benefited as much as white females from Affirmative Action...and this isn't rhetoric...it is a documented ad nauseam fact...just research the hiring gains made by women in the last 40 years versus other minority groups....or college admission ratios / rates.

 

[albertp]

What about the disabled? Another buddy of mine started freaking that a disabled person might be working with him because of quotas. I asked him, "What if it's Stephen Hawking?". Dummy didn't even know who he was.

 

[Dev0]

... is still a doctor.

And - hello - plenty of Black people have had to work TWICE as hard, to achieve half the success of whites.

Hmmm... looks like someone is posting under different names. Anyway you are more than welcome to let "bottom of the class" doctors work on you. Look what happened to Kanyee West's mother. I will go with the Doctor at the top of the class irregardless of their race. By the way, where in my post did I mention anything about Black people. Someone's a little paranoid here.

 

[Moraff]

If a black kid shows up in a 'Death Metal Rape 3000" tshirt I'd be more apt to hire him than the white kid in twists and baggy jeans. How is that racist or perfectionist?

Actually I wouldn't hire either of them. If they don't care enough about getting the job to at least make an attempt at dressing up, what kind of attention to quality am I likely to get if I hired them?

 

[Dev0]

... If Black kid shows up with twists and baggy jeans, that store manager assumes he is a gang member without even asking to see a resume or some grades...

or.......... perhaps that manager is aware of the fact that black people disproportionately commit more crime than Caucasians. Simply put, why take the risk when the "white kid" is statistically a better option? By the way, spare me the long winded, nonsensical, uninformed reply that you usually drudge up.

 

[xeroxcopy]

oh the white man's burden.... *sniff* oh! is that a tear? yes, a single tear as a violin plays for all the idiots who don't study for their tests and misread statements about employment equity. maybe that was the problem ...

... he can't read.

 

[Keebler Elf]

I would have to the see the exact wording on the government application form.
But let's say in a particular govt dept such as (fire services) some groups are heavily underepresented, then a case can be made for sporadic hiring programs that favour the underepresented group(s).
Several years ago I attended interviews at the Ont Governrment
under one of their minority hiring programs. Most of the people at the interviews that I attended
were actually white ( women) not people of colour.

Something to keep in mind is that women make up more than 60% of the people in the Ontario Public Service.

So the fact that there were so many women doesn't surprise me in the least. Over time, I predict, you'll see the number of women continue to grow along with the diversity.

 

[RTRD]

How are things...

or.......... perhaps that manager is aware of the fact that black people disproportionately commit more crime than Caucasians. Simply put, why take the risk when the "white kid" is statistically a better option? By the way, spare me the long winded, nonsensical, uninformed reply that you usually drudge up.

...out in the middle of nowhere? Found any strippers with teeth yet?

Does "risk" keep you from getting in a car or walking outside in the rain?

Yet another example of why hiring preferences are needed...

"By the way, spare me the long winded, nonsensical, uninformed reply that you usually drudge up."

You aren't worth the effort. You established yourself as an ignorant "country bumpkin" some time ago...it wouldn't be any fun debating you.

 

[RTRD]

Fair point...

Actually I wouldn't hire either of them. If they don't care enough about getting the job to at least make an attempt at dressing up, what kind of attention to quality am I likely to get if I hired them?

...and would probably be my reaction as well.

 

[elmo]

Really, visible minorities are less than 15% of the countries population.

Where did you get that stat?