Visible minorities??????????????????

[themexi]

This is the most racist piece of garbage I have ever read.

Ummmm actually.... it's CLASSist, maybe a tad elitist, perhaps even garbage to people that let the PC thought police do their thinking for them but definitely not racist.

tool.

Did you actually read the whole thing, or are you simply in the habit of throwing out the term racist whenever faced with something you either don't agree with or more likely don't understand?

Perhaps you wouldn't mind pointing out what it was in that post that struck you as racist.... I know I'm probably asking a lot of you, you know, to actually read the whole thing & think before you speak... I know it's longer & a bit more complicated than the easy to understand slogans in the PC sensitivity handbook but it might be a good exercise to help you not sound like a fool.

 

[Back Burner]

I just don't see what you're talking about.

Okay you bastard. That was really funny.

 

[albertp]

First of all, there's no such thing as "reverse discrimination", there's only "descrimination". As far as employment equity programs, they are all BS. The middle managers, and above are all composed of the dominant culture. They always implement the EE policies in a way so that they will fail. They will hire some unqualified idiot, who just happens to be the target race. When this idiot consistently screws up, everyone will say, "Well, we tried to give them a shot with EE , but look what happened...". But they will never fire the person that they hired, because he is their token race, and be paraded during PR occasions. I remember laughing when I saw a picture of a black firefighter on one of their hiring brochures. He must have been the only one in Ontario.

What I would like to know is why I don't see many black or minority panhandlers in Toronto? Most of them are white. I'll bet if the majority of panhandlers/squeegee kids/vagrants were black, the City would make sure that they were off the street...

 

[toughb]

Went to a Government sponsored visable minority job fair.

Being Caucasian I was reminded by a clerk that this was for visable minorities.

I asked him if he saw any other whites in the room?

 

[themexi]

First of all, there's no such thing as "reverse discrimination", there's only "descrimination".

Actually, you are %100 correct. I can't speak for anyone else but I use the "reverse" phrasing to emphasize the backwards idiocy of legislating a new form of artificial discrimination to resolve perceived injustices caused by previous discrimination.

I'll bet if the majority of panhandlers/squeegee kids/vagrants were black, the City would make sure that they were off the street

I bet you're right on that one too....

 

[Don]

This is the most racist piece of garbage I have ever read.

hmm... i don't see where race was an issue in his post.

 

[Sir Alex]

Does any of our terbites know of one visible minority in Canada Ontario where memebers of Parsee's/Zorastrian Community resides, and they are nearly 5~6000 over here in Canada? is one of the visible minority a peaceful & highly literate community of persian origin!

 

[Dev0]

Maybe the recognition that people who are automatically disadvantaged should have some sort of lead in until things even out a bit more?

I wonder how you would feel if you needed emergency surgery to save your life and the Doctor (who graduated at the bottom of his class but got the job because of his skin color) was operating on you? Affirmative action has never worked and never will.

Devo

 

[themexi]

Does any of our terbites know of one visible minority in Canada Ontario where memebers of Parsee's/Zorastrian Community resides, and they are nearly 5~6000 over here in Canada? is one of the visible minority a peaceful & highly literate community of persian origin!

I do! My friend Sal taught me all about Zoroastrianism & it is a pretty interesting belief system.... I was amazed to hear his take on Iran & all the different religious issues, etc. Actually, from his description, Iran is high up on my must travel to list.

Not too sure about the visible minority part though... at least in his & his family's case... when I first met him I thought he looked spanish or italian..... Goes to show wht someone looks like doesnt mean crap all

 

[spatial_k]

I wonder how you would feel if you needed emergency surgery to save your life and the Doctor (who graduated at the bottom of his class but got the job because of his skin color) was operating on you? Affirmative action has never worked and never will.

Devo

Oh whatever. Affirmative action is about equal opportunities not sticking outright unqualified people into jobs. And not to devalue administrative work, but in the case that was originally brought up I doubt anyone's life will be at stake because one person gets chosen over another.

 

[themexi]

Oh whatever. Affirmative action is about equal opportunities not sticking outright unqualified people into jobs. And not to devalue administrative work, but in the case that was originally brought up I doubt anyone's life will be at stake because one person gets chosen over another.

Ever thought about the quality of life of the guy that got passed over for the job? Oh wait, thats right, some white people way back in history who may or may not have any relation to him were mean to minorities so its his burden to take it for team equality.

Doesn't matter ... he & his kind are only white people after all, & we all know those white folks all have an opportunity tree growing in every yard. The Klan plans them as a housewarming gift.

 

[spatial_k]

Ever thought about the quality of life of the guy that got passed over for the job? Oh wait, thats right, some white people way back in history who may or may not have any relation to him were mean to minorities so its his burden to take it for team equality.

Doesn't matter ... he & his kind are only white people after all, & we all know those white folks all have an opportunity tree growing in every yard. The Klan plans them as a housewarming gift.

Are you living under a rock? You think affirmative action is about racism that happened in the far off past, that we enlightened people today have nothing to do with? Incredible.

And btw, it's comments like this:

"We will need fewer police & social services & welfare & prisons & courts...etc because we wont have s many ghettos of fatherless disenfranchised uneducated gangstas shooting up the town..............."

... that make people suspect you're racist. I'm not saying you are- I think you are just misunderstanding discrimination as an individualized problem- but other people may see it differently.

 

[themexi]

Are you living under a rock? You think affirmative action is about racism that happened in the far off past, that we enlightened people today have nothing to do with? Incredible.

And btw, it's comments like this:

"We will need fewer police & social services & welfare & prisons & courts...etc because we wont have s many ghettos of fatherless disenfranchised uneducated gangstas shooting up the town..............."

... that make people suspect you're racist. I'm not saying you are- I think you are just misunderstanding discrimination as an individualized problem- but other people may see it differently.

My previous post was exaggerated to be sure... but it was to illustrate a point. The people getting passed over by this legislated discrimination are just as likely to be innocent victims as those who suffered previously & are now benefiting from discrimination themselves.

As for my fatherless Gangsta quote.... I didn't mention race because it's not race thats the issue... its culture. Sure, lot of kids that fit that description are black. But where I live... all the fatherless disenfranchised gangsta wannabes are all white or native. We have enough trash already without importing more. That's why I said the immigration system needs a total overhaul. We need to improve the people we have & only bring in new people that were sure are going to positively benefit society.

As for me misunderstanding discrimination as an individualized problem, I realize that it is a pervasive social phenomenon that truly harms people & I wish ALL sides would just frigging quit it.

I don't subscribe to those ideals myself. I prefer to discriminate against the lazy, the whiny & the lower class trash of any society. I also truly believe that any effort by a government to directly legislate against racial discrimination is doomed to not only fail, but make the situation worse.

It is far better to allow racism to quietly fade away over many decades than to outlaw it because all outlawing it will do is drive it underground where it breeds resentment & people find any way they can to fight back, drawing it out forever. The government has many useful laws they can use.... ex, murder/rpe/theft/assault are all illegal. Those laws are enforced & either prevent or punish all the racially motivated actions that can be practically dealt with. Te motivation for crime is considered while sentencing.

But using laws as a tool to force people to accept people they wouldn't otherwise accept into their employ is wrong for everyone. It is an unfair, unnecessary & demaging violation of freedom to force such things on anyone of any race. If I get turned down at Chinese restaurant or a FUBU store because the owner/manager doesn't think Id fit in, sucks to be me but I'll respect their right to make that decision because it's their business & they don't owe me the job.

I stand by my opinions with a clear conscience. Someone doesn't get me or my ideas, no harm done.

 

[Keebler Elf]

A friend of mine wrote a test for a government job... written at the top of the test was a statement saying "VISIBLE MINORITIES" receive first consideration

At best, your friend is fudging the truth. At worst, your friend is LYING to you.

Government forms do not say visible minorities receive first consideration. What they do say is:

The Ontario Public Service is an equal opportunity employer.
Accommodation will be provided in accordance with the Ontario Human Rights Code.

That is VERY different than saying visible minorities receive first consideration.

Your friend is lying to you to cover up why they didn't get the job.

 

[Keebler Elf]

A friend of mine wrote a test for a government job... written at the top of the test was a statement saying "VISIBLE MINORITIES" receive first consideration

At best, your friend is fudging the truth. At worst, your friend is LYING to you.

Government forms do not say visible minorities receive first consideration. What they do say is:

"The Ontario Public Service is an equal opportunity employer.
Accommodation will be provided in accordance with the Ontario Human Rights Code."

See link: http://www.gojobs.gov.on.ca/Search.aspx

That is VERY different than saying visible minorities receive first consideration.

Your friend is lying to you to cover up why they didn't get the job.

 

[Venus_mgr]

Im not sure what the truth is... but I would like to find out... I have NO PROBLEM with minorities... just dont think that situation would be fair... if true.

 

[Back Burner]

At best, your friend is fudging the truth. At worst, your friend is LYING to you.

Government forms do not say visible minorities receive first consideration. What they do say is:

"The Ontario Public Service is an equal opportunity employer.
Accommodation will be provided in accordance with the Ontario Human Rights Code."

See link: http://www.gojobs.gov.on.ca/Search.aspx

That is VERY different than saying visible minorities receive first consideration.

Your friend is lying to you to cover up why they didn't get the job.

Wow Keebler....ah....I'm impressed.

 

[albertp]

It's funny, I have a friend who told me he was going to apply to the OPP, but was told by the recruiter not to bother because he wasn't a visible minority. I told my friend that I couldn't believe that the recruiter was so blunt, but my buddy said it was true. The only thing is that my buddy is about 50 lbs overweight, and probably wouldn't have ever passed the physical. Now he's going around saying that he didn't get in, because of quotas...and he didn't even apply!

 

[papasmerf]

is a visible minority in Canada someone that does not speak French?

 

[RTRD]

If it is....

This is the most racist piece of garbage I have ever read.

...you must not have been on TERB long.

However, it is a good example of why hiring preferences exist....because clearly HE isn't going to be hiring anyone who is a member of a minority group who he even THINKS is a less than perfect model citizen in every way.

I've said it before...I'll say it again...we will no longer need such preferences when average middle of the road minorities can assume they will receive the same breaks as average middle of the road white kids. A "C" student fuck up white kid shows up for a job interview at a local grocery store...the manager chews his ass a bit, tells him to cut his hair, asks him to not wear his 'Death Metal Rape 3000" t-shirt in the store, then gives him a job....because that kids reminds him of how he was at that age, he thinks the kid just "needs a break". If Black kid shows up with twists and baggy jeans, that store manager assumes he is a gang member without even asking to see a resume or some grades...