The formation of Israel was basically a universally accepted concept. And that universe was comprised of zero % Jewish nations.
UNWRA Report Out….Confirms that Israel is POS Nation
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No, it was not. Israel was always an illegitimate settler colonial movement based on religious mumbo jumbo.
That's more accurate to the discussion.
Fixed your post for accuracy.
That is what i state and believe.
No, it was a British move by racists to avoid taking on Jewish refugees and fostering the problem on Palestinians.
The UN recognizes Israel and does not recognize some non-existent country called Palestine.
The fact that Israel is a member of the UN (and probably since its' inception) means that your argument is 100% wrong and your statement is anti-Semitic mumbo jumbo.
That's whiny loser talk lying.
11 May 1949
The State of Israel was admitted to the United Nations (UN) as its 59th member on 11 May 1949. Since then, it has participated in a wide range of UN operations and has endeavored to make its full contribution to UN organizations dealing with health, labor, food and agriculture, education and science.
Israel and the United Nations
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In October 1993, for the first time since 1981, the Arab members of the UN did not challenge Israel's seat at the General Assembly.
Geno, you have unequivocally proclaimed that we are obligated to follow what the UN says.
Anti Zionism is not antisemitism. Israel's established status today does not negate the illegitimacy of its formation based on religious mumbo jumbo.
Palestine is recognized by the UN and is a signatory of the Rome Statute.
Israel, the pariah state, is not a member but these offences are happening in Palestine.
You are still trying to wipe Palestine from the map, from river to sea.
Holy fuck, hammy, this is the most idiotic post yet!
You do realize that the UN resolution you posted created both Israel and Palestine through partition?
If you claim the UN recognized Israel through this resolution then you just proved that they recognized Palestine at the same time.
More of POS Nation. When they speak of Amalek, they are also referring to each of us who is not jewish. Today it’s Palestinians but the term refers to many more. These supremacists need to be arrested and brought to justice.
There is no mumbo jumbo. Israel's creation was brokered by the UN, a body which Geno says we must always follow its' rulings.
Throughout 1947, the United Nations Special Commission on Palestine examined the Palestinian question and recommended the partition of Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state. On November 29, 1947 the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948 when the British mandate was scheduled to end. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain a corpus separatum under international control administered by the United Nations.
Are you disputing recognized history and disagreeing with the UN?
They are recognized as not being a state and simply have observer status. All that they can do is watch the real states conduct business. They do not get to vote. Only recognized states get to do that.
Israel's formation predates the formation of the UN. It was based on Zionism, that Jews are the chosen people and that Palestine is their ancestral homeland, which is religious mumbo jumbo. Israeli settlements, the Balfour declaration, the massacres and subsequent ethnic conflicts between the Jewish and Arab populations - all of that resulted in the UN special commission eventually recommending the partition of Palestine.
Remember it is NOT the UN that formed Israel. Israel simply declared independence after the UN recommended the partition and took the land for themselves. Which resulted in the war of 1948, and the subsequent Nakba.
Therefore yes, Israel's formation was illegitimate at its core both in principle and in practice.
The UN is a membership based organization. A country does not have to be a member of the UN to be a legitimate state. For a state to be legitimate only 2 things are needed -A) The people of the country want to form a country and b) Others agree that it is a legitimate country. Both of which Palestine satisfies.
Holy fuck Geno, what happened to your knowledge of accepted history.
The Palis rejected the proposal. If they had accepted, they would not have been, in your words, living as occupied refugees for 75 years. That move was a stupid as the Oct.7 attack. They always, always, always choose violence. They haven't learned that they need to do something different to achieve a different outcome.
It's ironic that now you say that Israel must return to its' 1948 borders. The Palis had that and it would have been enforced by the UN. Instead the Palis threw out the baby with the bathwater.
Try to read and understand. How ridiculous to claim that the UN passed a resolution when the UN didn't even exist. Do you even read your own posts prior to posting?
United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution)
As well, you're negating Genos' point.
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You do realize that the UN resolution you posted created both Israel and Palestine through partition?
If you claim the UN recognized Israel through this resolution then you just proved that they recognized Palestine at the same time.
If you are claiming that the UN did not create Israel, it means they also did not create Palestine, as Geno seems to think. You guys can't have it both ways.
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No you need to read my post and understand. I said the formation of Israel PREDATES the UN. The UN did not form Israel. The UN special commission only recommended the partition of Mandatory Palestine after the British Mandate ended in 1948. The formation of Israel however started via settler colonialism way before the UN's formation and infact, predates WW 2. And that settler colonialist endeavour aka formation of Israel based on Zionism - that Palestine was the ancestral homeland of the chosen people - is religious mumbo jumbo and therefore illegitimate.
The UN neither created Israel, nor Palestine. They only adopted a resolution that recommended the partition separating the 2 populations. The UN does not have the power or the mandate to create countries, draw borders, or even hold the authority to recognize states.
The Jewish govt. then proceeded to declare independence and just took the land for themselves.
The Palestinians rejected the proposal because Israel's formation itself was illegitimate as I explained above. In retrospect, it may seem like they should have accepted the UN resolution and formed a separate state. However this is in retrospect. In 1948, no one would have accepted a foreign people grabbing land like that. Infact Ben Gurion said the following:
“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.”
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Delusional. Contrary to documented historical record.
You just stated that Palestine is as legit a state as Israel is as far as the UN is concerned.
Thanks for making our point.
Yes, because they are occupied by Israel who is trying to wipe them off the maps and now trying to wipe them off the planet.
Palestine is recognized as being illegally occupied by Israel.
Every settlement is in Palestine.
So what?
If you think the UN partition resolution is what legitimizes Israel than you have to admit it also legitimizes Palestine as well.
You can't just pick the part of the resolution you like, hammy.
