Unprofessional Industry

[JoyfulC]

Agreed!!!! So the question is... Why areTerb members as a group not be able to bankrupt a MP?? Technically, we are the largest group of MP customers in Ottawa, we should together be able to put almost anyone out of business.
Why has this never been achieved??

Augh! The hubris of TERB posters!!!

Trust me, you are not the largest group of anything in Ottawa or elsewhere. If you were, we'd all be advertising here. As is, only those girls/organizations who buy into that nonsense do.

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[JoyfulC]

I should note: I wish it were so that TERB held so much sway in Ottawa. TERB would be inexpensive and far more equitable to advertise with than the reigning vehicle, The Ottawa Sun. We`d get a lot more bang for our buck if _most_ Ottawa clients would look online -- either to Escorts-Canada.COM or https://terb.cc -- but sadly, in Ottawa today, in order to succeed, one still needs to advertise in print. And The Sun is still the best for that around here.

I wish it wasn`t so. Every time a caller tells me that they don`t have internet access, I cringe. But sadly, that`s the fact at the moment.

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[twizzler2]

Agreed!!!! So the question is... Why areTerb members as a group not be able to bankrupt a MP?? Technically, we are the largest group of MP customers in Ottawa, we should together be able to put almost anyone out of business.
Why has this never been achieved??

Threatening someone's lively hood is an ineffective way to affect change.

How good a job would you do if your boss threatened to fire you if you didn't do things exactly the way he wanted. What if he/she took that approach every time he wanted something from you ? On the flip side, what you had a boss you actually liked and wanted to please ? Which boss would get the best out of you ? Which would be more likely to have a string of unexplained flat tires ?

 

[oldphart]

Trust me, you are not the largest group of anything in Ottawa or elsewhere. If you were, we'd all be advertising here.

I figured as much. But what would be the rough percentage of clients that are coming through terb? 5%, 10%?

 

[Mable]

I would think that Terb members represent a MINORITY of those who frequent sp/mp/sc in this town. Just do what you can do in spreading the word about good and bad to your contacts who use these services and inform them of the various review boards. I have educated many in the last years about how to go about not getting burned (mostly) in this hobby. In the end game it is unavoidable but you can reduce the risk significantly.

 

[Sapman99]

Review boards are not the be-all and end-all, but...

It's a good place for the more professional service providers to advertise themselves and gain access to a more refined clientele (we read, and actually ponder things here).

I don't think TerBites can band together and shut down an MP. But they can certainly diminish the TERB business it gets.

I have less experience on TERB than MERB. But I'd bet bottom dollar that if MerBites started boycotting Devilish Escorts in Montréal, that agency would not be long for this world. MERB is the bulk of their client base.

In fact, unless I hear something very positive about someone, I never use providers that aren't present on the boards. If they have enough gumption to be on the board, they're probably customer service-oriented.

 

[rooster0117]

add Amber Moon to list of not taking clients seroiusly...cancelled at last minute on me.

 

[twizzler2]

It's a good place for the more professional service providers to advertise themselves and gain access to a more refined clientele (we read, and actually ponder things here).

There's some irony in posting that in this thread

 

[gmuoo]

Don't think we are that small either

It really depends a lot on the customers you are targeting and the niche you are in. If you look at Jasmin (MP), she never advertised anywhere before. She has only become a paid Terb member very recently. Even before she becomes a Terb member, she seems to be able to attract a large crowd of loyal followers and newbies by just being on Terb. She has even added staff and shifts recently too.

If you look at Penny, that's another great example. She has not even advertised for well over a year or pushing two now. She gets mentioned and reviewed enough here that booking appts with her is sometimes harder than lining up an appt with a heart surgeon. Things might have changed recently now with the less liberated services but she is still busy enough by just being reviewed here.

If Terbies can support and make certain SPs or MPs very busy, I think we can make some SPs/MPs very idle too.

Augh! The hubris of TERB posters!!!

Trust me, you are not the largest group of anything in Ottawa or elsewhere. If you were, we'd all be advertising here. As is, only those girls/organizations who buy into that nonsense do.

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[JoyfulC]

It really depends a lot on the customers you are targeting and the niche you are in.

Yes, I suppose that's true. I based my comments purely on my own observations that so many gentlemen I meet have never heard of TERB or state that they are aware of it but don't visit it, even though they found me online.

There are also SPs in Ottawa who've never advertised online -- who knows how they manage, as the bulk of my new business comes from online. But still, I will note that I do advertise in print, as there are some gentlemen who for whatever reason, cannot or will not go online to find an SP.

I liked Jasmin's comment, though -- if you don't like someone's service, then don't visit her, perhaps post a poor review. But when you step over the line to trying to put people out of business, it gets a little weird. If someone's not cut out for this business, believe me, they won't be in it long.

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[Trish_a]

ou gave me something to think about !

This list applies to all MPs, SPs, and SCs...
Things to improve on / start doing / stop doing

1) Do not have a clock in the room period - that means never ever...
2) If you are charging for an hour, stay for an hour, every time.
3) If in an hour session, msog is always an option... no extra charges!
4) Competitive rates are always a must
5) If your not in a good mood, dont take a client - that simple
6) If your never in a good mood, go work for the government!
7) If you offer a specific set of services, stick to it, never change it for one client, but not another!
8) If you advertise opening and closing hours, always be open during them... no exceptions.
9) Remember that you need your clients! Its always better to resolve a dispute by using the "customer is always right" process of thought.
10) Never accept a booking an not be available.
11) Show appriciation for your regulars, give them free stuff, or something... remember how much they are worth to you in the long run.

Most important - You are all Businesses, Act like a business...

This is just a beginning, there are many other points to make but these are the most important...

Being new with my new found independence, I really appreaciate the feed back.
It is a particular service being offer that should be recognized with a certain business etiquette.
Besides, as an MA, I mainly enjoy pleasing the customer.
It's like a suggestion box! It's important to know what you the patrons likes and dislikes. How can we as SP's or MA's know this if it's not communicated to us.

 

[JoyfulC]

Being new with my new found independence, I really appreaciate the feed back.
It is a particular service being offer that should be recognized with a certain business etiquette.
Besides, as an MA, I mainly enjoy pleasing the customer.
It's like a suggestion box! It's important to know what you the patrons likes and dislikes. How can we as SP's or MA's know this if it's not communicated to us.

You should take into consideration what the customers have to say about how they enjoy their involvement...

.... but at the same time, you can't go entirely by that, as you are in this business for the purposes of business.

The solution lies somewhere between what our original poster suggests and what someone who is totally focused on the service provider's interests would do.

To achieve repeat business, you must be able to give people something that satisfies and delights them -- but at the same time, you have to protect your own interests. That's what makes it a business.

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[Trish_a]

thxs!

To achieve repeat business, you must be able to give people something that satisfies and delights them -- but at the same time, you have to protect your own interests. That's what makes it a business.

I wouldn't have it any other way! By protecting myself and my interest, I also ensure that the service is unforgettable. You must see this business as not only a way to acquiring a reward, but a reward in itself.
I love to please and tease! But mostly, I love the smile that accompanies most of my sessions.
By doing so and taking in account my own interest, I'm able to provide a great service.
Thank you for your concerns, any comments or suggestions are always appreciated!

 

[ncn2004]

I always new you had a good head on your shoulders Trish!

 

[AmberMoon]

sorry for the last minute cancellation

add Amber Moon to list of not taking clients seroiusly...cancelled at last minute on me.

So sorry for the last minute cancellations. Unfortunately I had to cancel all my appointments due personal issues. I appologize for any inconvenience I may have caused.

I've had an awesome time in Ottawa in the past and look forward to returning.

Due to the situation, which involves a close friend, I will not be available for the next month or so.

Thanks for understanding. Hope to see you soon.

 

[fart]

So sorry for the last minute cancellations. Unfortunately I had to cancel all my appointments due personal issues. I appologize for any inconvenience I may have caused.

I've had an awesome time in Ottawa in the past and look forward to returning.

Due to the situation, which involves a close friend, I will not be available for the next month or so.

Thanks for understanding. Hope to see you soon.

Her website says she is vacationing in Paris starting 20May.

 

[Regular Guy]

Well I guess if we don't like it.............

7) If you offer a specific set of services, stick to it, never change it for one client, but not another

This seems completely reasonable unless a discount is offered by an sp for limiting services for any reason whatsoever. I believe it may occur that, for example, questions of hygiene or behaviour may prompt an sp to limit services. But there must be safeguards to protect the customer from sp's who use this strictly as a money making ploy.

Don't be ridiculous! Why do you think so many SPs don't want to be reviewed? Each customer is unique -- and we're not McDonald's Drive-Thru. Your mileage may vary!!!

I find this statement to be incredibly arrogant! And what does this make the customer - chopped liver? It makes any customer subject to some lame excuse not to provide a reasonable service and once in awhile she indulges herself with some Brad Pitt look alike after pocketing every one else's cash?

***************Yup, this may be a business BUT it's still a VERY INTIMATE business, a lot more intimate then let's say "bell canada" you don't kiss the bell canada rep or when you call the Pizza Pizza rep... when it's that level of intimacy, then alot adds to or takes away from the experience... ie "so bitch, i've bought you for the hour now fuck me" and he hasn't cleaned in days......gets a very different response then a "gentleman".

Yes this is a very intimate business and that is why it pays on an hourly basis, a salary equal to that earned by some CEO's. The client is not the pizza boy and he's not there to deliver pizza. A client who has good hygiene, has a nice manner and generally presents or is willing to present a BFE should get a GFE or offered a generous discount for limited services not suckered into accepting the sp past the moment of no return and told to just suck it up. Such clients often wish affection and lovemaking (or something approximating it). That's the business an sp is in and if her head is not there perhaps another line of work might be a better choice.

 

[JoyfulC]

This seems completely reasonable unless a discount is offered by an sp for limiting services for any reason whatsoever. I believe it may occur that, for example, questions of hygiene or behaviour may prompt an sp to limit services. But there must be safeguards to protect the customer from sp's who use this strictly as a money making ploy.

But how would you know? That's why I think, if a guy's hygiene or attitude or whatever might limit some degree of reasonable service, perhaps it's better to leave his money in his pocket and not service him at all.

I find this statement to be incredibly arrogant! And what does this make the customer - chopped liver?

Nope, it makes him a human being. Any time two unique humans interact, the outcome is going to be unique, as well -- even if slight. This is no different from any other service industry.

It makes any customer subject to some lame excuse not to provide a reasonable service and once in awhile she indulges herself with some Brad Pitt look alike after pocketing every one else's cash?

That's not at all what I meant, although I agree that some SPs might take it that way.

What I was referring to were those customers who come with a bad attitude or poor hygiene or some other problem.

That's why, too, it's probably better these days just to be highly selective and turn a guy like this down.

When they make a review, do you think they'll note that they hadn't bathed in a couple days? Or that they had an antagonistic attitude? Or course not! In reviews, the customer is always completely innocent.

Sadly, though, if an escort turns down a customer for some reason, he'll make it sound like it was because he wasn't a "Brad Pitt" even if the true reason was something that most readers might be able to relate to more.

Yes this is a very intimate business and that is why it pays on an hourly basis, a salary equal to that earned by some CEO's.

And yet, you expect us to be so much more competent!

The client is not the pizza boy and he's not there to deliver pizza. A client who has good hygiene, has a nice manner and generally presents or is willing to present a BFE should get a GFE or offered a generous discount for limited services not suckered into accepting the sp past the moment of no return and told to just suck it up.

I do not agree that a client deserves any special discount because he's clean and behaving like a BFE -- unless he's Brad Pitt, eh?

But I do think that a customer is entitled to the services advertised. If an SP doesn't feel she can give the services advertised, then her best bet it to turn the appointment down altogether (although that might very well result in a bad review -- and how would you guys know the difference??).

Such clients often wish affection and lovemaking (or something approximating it). That's the business an sp is in and if her head is not there perhaps another line of work might be a better choice.

I agree, if an SP has a problem delivering this to most people, then something's wrong.

However, each person is different and has no way of saying if the outcome they received (or perceived) is what others can expect.

Just as you guys recognize a very wide range in the attitude and quality of service providers, we recognize a very wide range in the attitude and quality of customers. But who's to say how accurate anything is? We're always going on some subjective assessment.

If you think reviews are bad, you should read bad client reviews. I've known some really decent guys who've found themselves on the wrong end of a bad john report -- and for doing nothing more than standing up for their rights as a consumer.

This is a business involving humans on all sides. We have accept that there's some subjectivity.

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[Regular Guy]

Back at ya.....

But how would you know? That's why I think, if a guy's hygiene or attitude or whatever might limit some degree of reasonable service, perhaps it's better to leave his money in his pocket and not service him at all.

I have no problem with this. If a guy is a jerk either limit services or don’t serve him at all. My point was to adjust fees accordingly. And yes there are sp’s just like there are strippers who insist on their full fee but refuse service for whatever reason (hygiene, behaviour - you pick). But they also scam. I know - This happened to me and to many others. A good concrete example of just how smoothly this can be done is on the merb board under outcalls (“Read my review.......”). You may be ethical in your dealings but there are those who are not and the sp is basically in control.

Nope, it makes him a human being. Any time two unique humans interact, the outcome is going to be unique, as well -- even if slight. This is no different from any other service industry.

So let’s see. An sp needs a bit of cash but is not in the mood. In fact she is mad at the world. She goes into work anyway and gives the customer a rotten experience. But hey “Any time two unique humans interact the outcome is going to be unique as well - even if slight”. Voila, she is off the hook, and, with her full fee. Maybe , just maybe, customers need a bit of protection.

I do not agree that a client deserves any special discount because he's clean and behaving like a BFE -- unless he's Brad Pitt, eh?

I think you misunderstood me here. I did not say that someone who provides BFE should get a discount but should be given GFE if it was advertised not subject to "Bait and Switch".

When they make a review, do you think they'll note that they hadn't bathed in a couple days? Or that they had an antagonistic attitude? Or course not! In reviews, the customer is always completely innocent.

Look! I realize that you have a good point here. Some clients are jerks and I am with you. Don’t serve them. Personally I can’t believe they can be so stupid. There are many escorts who are nice girls and deserve to be treated with respect and care. To find one is to find pure gold and it is my personal belief that they appreciate being treated like ladies and deserve to be.

And yet, you expect us to be so much more competent!

I’m glad you added a smiley face here. With that level of salary I will just settle for very competent.

However, each person is different and has no way of saying if the outcome they received (or perceived) is what others can expect.

Yes I can agree to some extent. Nobody should sweat the small stuff. And if a client just doesn’t have sensuality in his brain then an sp has her work cut out for her.

Look! All I am saying is that there are two sides to every story and the great equalizer is the fee provided. As in every other endeavour in the world people should get what they pay for.

 

[JoyfulC]

I have no problem with this. If a guy is a jerk either limit services or don’t serve him at all. My point was to adjust fees accordingly.

I don't agree that it's so simple to limit services and adjust fees accordingly. I think it's better to turn down an appointment than to get into limiting and adjusting, etc.

But they also scam. I know - This happened to me and to many others. A good concrete example of just how smoothly this can be done is on the merb board under outcalls (“Read my review.......”). You may be ethical in your dealings but there are those who are not and the sp is basically in control.

Yes, I guess some do. And I think that's wrong. But two wrongs don't make a right.

So let’s see. An sp needs a bit of cash but is not in the mood. In fact she is mad at the world. She goes into work anyway and gives the customer a rotten experience. But hey “Any time two unique humans interact the outcome is going to be unique as well - even if slight”. Voila, she is off the hook, and, with her full fee. Maybe , just maybe, customers need a bit of protection.

She's off the hook with her full fee that day -- but I don't believe that people succeed in the long range in this (or any) business behaving that way.

If any SP of any type isn't in the mood to do her job, then she should take the day off -- and as I've advocated time and again, SPs should put money aside so they don't have to work on days like this. Budgeting is a crucial skill for any self-employed person, especially SPs.

I think you misunderstood me here. I did not say that someone who provides BFE should get a discount but should be given GFE if it was advertised not subject to "Bait and Switch".

Yes, I agree with you -- but I'd ask you, as a consumer, to apply a little logic here too: how can someone guarantee you GFE treatment, sight unseen? People phone me and ask if I kiss. ??? I love to kiss and kissing is a very responsive thing. But how can I promise to kiss any and everyone, sight unseen? And what value would my kiss have if I did?

I think it's foolish to advertise things like GFE. When it's truly delivered, it's fantastic. But if it's only delivered because it's promised, then it's not really GFE, right? (Unless you're suggesting that guys don't know the difference between someone who's really into it and someone who's just faking it.)

Look! I realize that you have a good point here. Some clients are jerks and I am with you. Don’t serve them.

Yes, that's the best bet. The problems start when an escort tries to provide service to a guy who is a jerk -- or alternatively, when a guy stays and goes through with a session with an escort who has obviously misrepresented herself and/or who has a poor attitude. Things should stop before they go any further!

Personally I can’t believe they can be so stupid.

Well, me neither. And I can't believe that some women who get into this business can fail to be appreciative of the tremendous opportunity that they have.

Between you and me, I'm older now -- and even when I was younger, I wasn't the best looking chick in the world. And so maybe, for me, it was easier to appreciate that men were willing to pay me AND treat me so preciously, expecting only sincerity and an open heart in return. Perhaps if I'd have been model good-looking, I would have viewed things differently. My success has counted on giving people something that they enjoy and want to come back for more of.

I've known countless beautiful women who couldn't make a go of this business, simply because their heads weren't in the right place. And yet, it's the easiest thing in the world! All you have to do is be willing to experience/facilitate joy for anywhere from half hour to a few hours. How tough is that???

Look! All I am saying is that there are two sides to every story and the great equalizer is the fee provided. As in every other endeavour in the world people should get what they pay for.

I'd agree with all that, except the part about the fee being the great equalizer. I can understand how it would seem that way to you -- nobody likes getting ripped off!!

But really, the great equalizer, in my view, is repeat business. An SP (of any type) survives by the amount of repeat business she generates -- that's the one criteria that makes the difference between being a flash in the pan and a true professional.

And don't get me wrong: I agree with bad (or "rip-off") reviews. It is a form of consumer protection, and I agree that there's a need for it.

What concerns me is having a customer say "I did this and this and this with JoyfulC" and then having every customer thereafter expect not only to get that same level of service (which I never advertised!) or worse, to get that same level of satisfaction from a session that the reviewer felt. Those are sometimes big shoes to fill.

I've had clients send me roses after a session. Last week, I got a $200 tip on a 1-hour session. It's all nice and appreciated, but let's face it: it would be unreasonable for me to expect every satisfied customer to react the same way. If someone is happy enough to come back again, that's the best I would ever hope for!

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