union pearson express train...$27.50???
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Not exactly....it's actually worse than that.....
From Wikipedia
The stadium would later become a thorn in the side of David Peterson's Ontario Liberal government for repeated cost overruns. After the Liberals were defeated by the NDP in the 1990 Ontario election, a review by the new Bob Rae government in October 1990 revealed that Stadco's debt meant that the Dome would have to be booked 600 days a year to turn a profit. The stadium income was only $17 million in its first year of operations, while debt service was $40 million. It was determined that the abrupt late inclusion by Stadco of a hotel and health club added an additional $112 million to the cost of the building.
As the province slipped into a recession, Rae appointed University of Toronto professor Bruce Kidd and Canadian Auto Workers President Bob White to the Stadco board to help deal with the stadium's growing debt, but the original $165 million debt had ballooned to $400 million by 1993.[5][18] Stadco became a political liability, and in March 1994, the Ontario government paid off all outstanding Stadco debts from the government treasury and sold the stadium for $151 million to a private consortium that included Blue Jay's owner Labatt.[18][20]
In November 1998, the stadium, which Labatt then owned as 49% of total, filed for bankruptcy protection,[21] triggered after disastrous Skybox renewal numbers. Most of the 161 Skybox tenants had signed on for 10 year leases; a marked decrease in interest in the stadium's teams and the construction of the Air Canada Centre, which hosted the Toronto Maple Leafs and Toronto Raptors, resulted in few renewals for Skybox leases. That same month, the Blue Jays re-signed for an additional ten years in the facility.[18]
In April 1999, Sportsco International LP bought the stadium out of bankruptcy protection for $80 million.[20]
In November 2004, Rogers Communications, parent company of the Blue Jays, acquired SkyDome, excluding the attached SkyDome hotel which had been sold to Renaissance for a reported $31 million in 1999, from Sportsco for about $25 million – roughly 4% of the cost of construction.[20
It's not about nickel and diming it's about value versus the alternatives. For some it makes sense but not others. Like for you it's worth paying the extra money to travel while living in a backwater like Belleville. For me that's ridiculous. My sympathies.
I must have repeated this 3 times already...lol This was kind of the point of the thread. That plus the fact it's still a light rail system not taking you very far. It cost $37.00 to take a train from Toronto to Montreal. This guys are charging 10 bucks less for a light rail system that takes brings you 25km???
When was the last time you flat-rated in a cab to Pearson for less than transit fare?
Last time I got quoted a flat rate off one of those Internet "airport" taxis which turned out not to be an actual airport taxi, the cabby said oh that's too low, once I was in the cab and on my way to the airport.
I told him I'd give him an extra $10. I know I was not obligated to but at the point where you need to get to the airport and traffic is crazy, you have no time for these shenanigans.
I even packed in my own luggage into his trunk and at the airport he just sat ther on his phone speaking in his foreign language while I took out my own luggage. In retrospect I should have left the trunk lid open so he'd have to get out anyway to close it.
I usually travel with two pieces of luggage and travelling bag unless it's to the US where it's just one paid piece and one travelling bag.
The convenience of cab picking me up from my door makes more sense.
I can usually get buddy to drop me off or pick me up if it's a weekend.
I'll continue to take cabs sans tip and if they don't feel the need to help with luggage his trunk lid and back door remains open at the airport.
for me it's pretty much a wash. I have to pay two fairs to get to Union. I would have to pay YRT, 3 bucks, and another 3 bucks to get on TTC. That's 6 bucks plus my 27.50 for this great new person express train...now I'm up to 34 bucks. You can find a flat rate to person from my area for 40/45 bucks. To pay the extra 10 bucks not to lug my suitcase all the way to union, the time it takes for me to get there, not to mention the crowds on the public transit, it's a no brainer.
As I suggested, lots of these posts seem to come thought-free, straight from the seat of the pants. Where many guys keep their wallets, and seem to form their opinions. Yours was a good deal higher-minded.
All fine for you, but UPX isn't transit, which is why it isn't priced that way. From anywhere in the system you can take the TTC all the way to the Airport Terminals, and that is for transit fare. If you choose to pay more for convenience, that's your option. Although there's been much stingy whining about the price of the UPX trains, no one has yet said why any one but the riders should pay to bring the price down to transit levels. Certainly not TeeJay who claimed he could book a cab for less than transit.
what is the price of a 1 way trip from the Bloor(dundas west and bloor) stop to airport?
what are the hours of operation of this liberal over price mess & multi billion $$ loss to us ontarians
another reason why thailand is better than here--their train from the heart of BKK to airport which is further away is less than $2
what are the hours of operation of this liberal over price mess & multi billion $$ loss to us ontarians
another reason why thailand is better than here--their train from the heart of BKK to airport which is further away is less than $2
Back in the mid 90's the plan was to build the Eglinton SUBWAY right out to the airport.
That would have made the most fucking sense to me, but the entire plan was killed by a combination of Mike Harris and Mel Lastman (the latter pushing hard to build Sheppard because it was in his North York riding and Francis Nunziata was the mayor of the City of York and she lacked Lastman's political clout.)
You could have hopped on the subway at Pearson and taken it anywhere the subway goes.
That would have made the most fucking sense to me, but the entire plan was killed by a combination of Mike Harris and Mel Lastman (the latter pushing hard to build Sheppard because it was in his North York riding and Francis Nunziata was the mayor of the City of York and she lacked Lastman's political clout.)
You could have hopped on the subway at Pearson and taken it anywhere the subway goes.
The province is drowining in debt because the sliimy 'leaders' sign REALLY MORONIC contracts - for exorbitant amounts of money. Take for example the 407.
and Metro linx...wtf...FFS its a track that goes 30km, Billions - WHY??? REALLY??? even at $10millon per kilometer thats only 300millon. (that's $10000 for a meter of track!!!! including linear cost portion of trains, and administrative B.S )
We continue to allow politicians to do this to us.
Politicians do not understand how to save and then spend, they only understand how to spend, and tax and fare the shit out of us to pay for stuff they never allocated any money for. Thats how you make debt.
You make me laugh.
You have no idea of what infrastructure costs to design or how it is built.
Yea you're right
I know you are just trying to protect your hand in that there SNC pocket,
I mean anyone can clearly see how every public transit project costs 4 to 6x its original and thats is OK - someones getting some cushion. hah.
Since you must know - got a link to the budget or even a spreadsheet - at to how the costs were derived?
And how about some documents showing how the longterm lease price of the 407 was computed?
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