union pearson express train...$27.50???

[MRBJX]

I'm just north of the Danny by the Don, and if I take a cab I expect I'll have to tip on something north of $50. More if it's rush hour.

Now that the airlines have persuaded me against checked baggage, the regular fare TTC's Red Rocket out of Kipling is a way more attractive—and way cheaper—option than cab or UPX both.

Loner.

As soon as you travel with somone or your family, the TTC is crap and this new union/pearson is also crap and both are costlier and less convenient than a flat rate limo or cab, even from the burbs.
Heck if you travel on the go train with a buddy from oakville to toronto, the cost is almost the same as driving, you add one more person and the GO cannot compete.

Public transit is far too expensive for how pathetic it is.

 

[oldjones]

Loner.

As soon as you travel with somone or your family, the TTC is crap and this new union/pearson is also crap and both are costlier and less convenient than a flat rate limo or cab, even from the burbs.
Heck if you travel on the go train with a buddy from oakville to toronto, the cost is almost the same as driving, you add one more person and the GO cannot compete.

Public transit is far too expensive for how pathetic it is.

Why then, I won't take the UPX. Neither will I moan that it should oughta be cheaper if I can afford the taxi to the airport. Or if I choose the TTC's Airport express to save dough.

But some folks seem to think this Airport amenity should be priced like public transit, with every trip subsidized out of everyone's taxes, instead of charging users to earn back the capital we invested in improving our Airport.

Damned Socialists!

But please explain your mystifying opening statement: "As soon as you travel with somone or your family, the TTC is crap". I cannot fathom what you're driving at.

 

[Butler1000]

It would cost me north of $30 just to go from Etobicoke to Pearson in an Airport Limo (probably north of $40).

35 from the airport to 427/ lakeshore area. Only goes up from there.

 

[black booty lover]

35 from the airport to 427/ lakeshore area. Only goes up from there.

So your not your not willing to pay an extra 12 bucks (not to mention your ttc fair, so we'll call it 9) to get a nice comfortable ride to the airport? give me a break. nobody's going to take this thing to save 10-15 bucks.

 

[james t kirk]

So your not your not willing to pay an extra 12 bucks (not to mention your ttc fair, so we'll call it 9) to get a nice comfortable ride to the airport? give me a break. nobody's going to take this thing to save 10-15 bucks.

You might not, but lots of people will.

A huge number of people are cheap. They base their purchasing decisions on price and price alone.

 

[james t kirk]

UP cost billions to build.

The bridge at Toronto West Diamond cost 500 million alone.

It can't be a 5 dollar ticket.

 

[fuji]

UP cost billions to build.

The bridge at Toronto West Diamond cost 500 million alone.

It can't be a 5 dollar ticket.

Sure it could. It could be a free ticket. The point of building a link to an airport is to spur economic development. Highways cost a lot too and they are free. It shouldn't be operated as a for profit service but rather, like a highway, as public infrastructure.

Particularly if after making UP free we closed the island airport.

If you think free is too extreme, make it free with a boarding pass for today.

 

[black booty lover]

UP cost billions to build.

The bridge at Toronto West Diamond cost 500 million alone.

It can't be a 5 dollar ticket.

okay....I'm just saying it's a very steep price to pay, when you consider every other rail system in the city charges like 3-5 bucks. yeah there's wi-fi and few other things, big deal. Still seems to me like they've priced themselves right out the market.

I guess we'll see as thing launches in june.

I think it's convenient for people going directly downtown, but part of the problem with that so many more people come from the Island airport as porter airlines is way cheaper and also close to downtown. A ticket to a north American city from most airlines that would cost like 300 bucks, you can get for 180 on porter.

 

[james t kirk]

Sure it could. It could be a free ticket. The point of building a link to an airport is to spur economic development. Highways cost a lot too and they are free. It shouldn't be operated as a for profit service but rather, like a highway, as public infrastructure.

Particularly if after making UP free we closed the island airport.

If you think free is too extreme, make it free with a boarding pass for today.

Yeah, but the province is drowning in debt. I read yesterday outside of national (i.e. federal) debts around the world, Ontario has THEE highest provincial or state debt of any province or state in the entire world. So the users need to contribute to the price of the thing.

As to roads being free to use, keep in mind that gasoline taxes and license sticker taxes more than pay for the roads in Ontario. In fact, they help pay for education, health care and everything else. So drivers are actually paying their cost to build and maintain roads.

I'm all for public transit, but the users do need to pay at least something of the cost.

Even at 27 bucks a head, UP will take centuries to pay for.

27 may be a little steep I admit, and maybe once the service gets going they will need to revisit the fee structure if they don't get the revenue they are expecting.

 

[james t kirk]

okay....I'm just saying it's a very steep price to pay, when you consider every other rail system in the city charges like 3-5 bucks. yeah there wi-fi and few other things, big deal. Still seems to me like they've priced themselves right out the market.

I guess we'll see as thing launches in june.

I think it's convenient for people going directly downtown, but part of the problem with that so many more people come the Island airport as porter airlines is way cheaper and also close to downtown. A ticket to a north American city from most airlines that cost like 300 bucks, you can get for 180 on porter.

I took the tube from Heathrow to Knightsbridge in downtown London about 5 years ago. I seem to recall it was about 15 bucks Canadian.

I also took the train from Fiumicino to Roma Termini (I.e. from Rome Airport to their version of Union Station) on a couple of occasions and if I recall, that was 15 Euros or so, so that would be about 20 bucks.

I love the trains in Italy. It's the way to go. (If you want to have some fun, try taking the "circumvesuviano" train from Naples to Sorrento.) The high speed trains there are fantastic. Puts what we have in Canada to shame. But you could build a high speed train in Canada and people would still drive because that's the kind of people we are. (Sadly.)

 

[anon1]

UP cost billions to build.

The bridge at Toronto West Diamond cost 500 million alone.

It can't be a 5 dollar ticket.

The 407 cost over $100 BILLION to build.
Harris sold it for 3.

 

[oldjones]

UP cost billions to build.

The bridge at Toronto West Diamond cost 500 million alone.

It can't be a 5 dollar ticket.

Which illustrates why Harper's 'promise' to fund transit with a mere 250 million and that pittance not until 2017 is just a sneer at Canadians.

In fact, it can be a $5 ticket, we'll just have to pay the billions it cost out of taxes not fares. Right now, that choice should be enough to silence the whiners, who never seem willing to pay for anything they want. And who have consistently picked the pols promising lower taxes, not adequate ones.

I won't hold my breath waiting for the calm.

 

[spraggamuffin]

The 407 cost over $100 BILLION to build.
Harris sold it for 3.

Only a matter of time before the same happens with this rail system.

If Harris was in power, a deal would have already been struck with a private consortium before it even started running in June.

Use tax payers money to build infrastructure for private companies to profit from is his model.

 

[destillat]

Just put my numbers into a 'taxi calculator' for Toronto and it would cost me $80 without tip from home to the airport.
Now a TTC or GO ride to Union plus $28 for the airport express does not seem so much.

Unless you have to drag a huge suitcase through streetcar and a subway during rush hour to make it to Union first.

 

[red]

UP cost billions to build.

The bridge at Toronto West Diamond cost 500 million alone.

It can't be a 5 dollar ticket.

I agree it shouldn't be five dollars. but I think it has to be priced so that two people travelling together will take it over a cab.

 

[anon1]

Only a matter of time before the same happens with this rail system.

If Harris was in power, a deal would have already been struck with a private consortium before it even started running in June.

Use tax payers money to build infrastructure for private companies to profit from is his model.

SkyDome cost $600 million to build.
Peterson sold it to Rogers for 26

 

[MissCroft]

Unless you have to drag a huge suitcase through streetcar and a subway during rush hour to make it to Union first.

That's the thing. I'd probably have to take a cab to get to Union in the first place and by that time, I'm already in the cab so might as well just ask for a flat rate and go all the way.

 

[oldjones]

That's the thing. I'd probably have to take a cab to get to Union in the first place and by that time, I'm already in the cab so might as well just ask for a flat rate and go all the way.

Nice to hear from someone thinking with a brain instead of the wallet they're sitting on. Although it's pricey, UPX does seem in the ballpark for two people cabbing it from Union to Pearson, and it's certainly going to be faster in rush hour.

None of the complainers have yet to say who should be picking up the tab for their train — business or pleasure — to the airport, if they're too cheap to.

 

[Cobra Enorme]

you guys would actually haul your luggage on the ttc, then to uniun, then to the train, then off the train? or do you live inside uniun station? if it was $5, i dont think id do it as id have to lug my luggage on the ttc. you shouldnt be going on trips if youre willing to go through all that trouble to save $20. thats like a burrito in new york.

 

[destillat]

you shouldnt be going on trips if youre willing to go through all that trouble to save $20.

what a stupid comment... what the fuck is wrong with you?