ungrateful homeless man throws change back

stinkynuts

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If you are going to charitable,
don't advertise it!!
I particularlly disklie the Youtube videos where they give homeless people money and record their reactions. Now they are giving out cash to ordianary workers such as drive thru workers, waitresses, cashiers, delivery people. All to gain views and praise from viewers. It's patronizing, self-aggrandizing, and tasteless.
 

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I particularlly disklie the Youtube videos where they give homeless people money and record their reactions. Now they are giving out cash to ordianary workers such as drive thru workers, waitresses, cashiers, delivery people. All to gain views and praise from viewers. It's patronizing, self-aggrandizing, and tasteless.
I remember seeing a tip jar at a self-serve gas station.
 

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Sometimes when I'm downtown and I have gone shopping, to a restaurant etc I feel extreme guilt upon seeing homeless people. When I see destitute, sick people with nowhere to go, I often become tearful. I have bought cigarettes for homeless people when they wanted them more than food. These people are abused, they end up suffering from preventable illnesses. It's not surprising that sometimes they act out.
 

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I particularlly disklie the Youtube videos where they give homeless people money and record their reactions. Now they are giving out cash to ordianary workers such as drive thru workers, waitresses, cashiers, delivery people. All to gain views and praise from viewers. It's patronizing, self-aggrandizing, and tasteless.
Ya it's like "look at me, besides being a useless influencer I also care".
Real charity, you do it not to look for praise,
you should do it bc someone needs help.
 

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Sometimes when I'm downtown and I have gone shopping, to a restaurant etc I feel extreme guilt upon seeing homeless people. When I see destitute, sick people with nowhere to go, I often become tearful. I have bought cigarettes for homeless people when they wanted them more than food. These people are abused, they end up suffering from preventable illnesses. It's not surprising that sometimes they act out.

You have a good heart, and can empathize with other people. No doubt many homeless people are you in the situation through Little fault if their own, and life on the streets must be excruciatingly hard. Those people should be given as much sympathy and support from the general public.

However, there are many people who are in that situation because they refuse to work, or have a bad attitude. That is the life they have chosen, and we should not feel guilty for them.
 

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Most homeless adults are addicts or people with serious mental health issues.

Normal people are able to find accommodation rather than live on the street. Canada has many safety nets for people seeking employment or housing, even if they choose never to work.
Sometimes even just acknowledgement can make a homeless person feel less invisible and more human.

Look them in the eye, smile, say hello as you are passing by.

And no, accomodation for most average people is hard enough to find these days let alone a homeless person with no or little income. Shelters are packed and affordable or supplemented housing wait lists in large cities can be a decade long or more especially for a single male.

People who make minimum wage or even more are having to share apartments with others. Most of these longterm homeless people have severe mental illness and cannot share unmonitored space with two other mentally ill people. It is a recipe for disaster.

Finding work for a severely mentally ill person with zero experience or education is also extremely difficult. Many need a solitary work position, they cannot work in a team or serving the public.

The majority of these longterm homeless people have no family or no positive family support either which makes it that much harder for them. Having a loving family behind you, even one family member advocate for you can make a huge difference.

Those who have never been through it or have not worked in this field have no idea how difficult it is.

As I said, right now even "normal" people are having a tough time surviving.
 
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One of my former workplaces was next to a very busy Tim Horton's. It wasn't unusual to see a pan handler there once in a while, although security did their best to clear them. One of the pan handlers took a different approach. Instead of just sitting there he chose to open the door for people entering the Timmie's. Always polite, even if the patron didn't give him anything. I never had a problem giving him something.
 

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Sometimes even just acknowledgement can make a homeless person feel less invisible and more human.

Look them in the eye, smile, say hello as you are passing by.

And no, accomodation for most average people is hard enough to find these days let alone a homeless person with no or little income. Shelters are packed and affordable or supplemented housing wait lists in large cities can be a decade long or more especially for a single male.

People who make minimum wage or even more are having to share apartments with others. Most of these longterm homeless people have severe mental illness and cannot share unmonitored space with two other mentally ill people. It is a recipe for disaster.

Finding work for a severely mentally ill person with zero experience or education is also extremely difficult. Many need a solitary work position, they cannot work in a team or serving the public.

The majority of these longterm homeless people have no family or no positive family support either which makes it that much harder for them. Having a loving family behind you, even one family member advocate for you can make a huge difference.

Those who have never been through it or have not worked in this field have no idea how difficult it is.

As I said, right now even "normal" people are having a tough time surviving.
I remember one time a homeless person was ordering at McDonald's. The guy was so polite, but the young girl serving him was so cold. Not giving eye contact, and with a very cold expression on her face. The homeless person was trying so hard to be acknowledged, saying, "thank you" over and over again, but the girl never looked at him in the eye or said "you're welcome". She just ingored him. It was clear she had no regard for him.

i believe that it's virtually impossible to come back from being homeless for many because it's incredibly difficult to find a job. Who will hire you looking like that? Missing teeth? No address? No phone number? Experience? References? Etc...

Most of the time, I will try to ignore homeless people because I want to avoid giving them money, but I truly don't look down on them at all. I believe we have less choice in determining where we end up in life then we think. I have been in very bad situations. Has I been an attractive young woman, I definitely would at one point contemplated being an sp myself. It would be an easy way to make money and too tempting.

Can you blame a stay cat for being raggedy and wild? Do you look down on it? Does the cat that was fortunate to have been adopted and pampered by a loving family deserve to be praised for it's beauty and good manners? We are all living lives determined by the roll of the dice.
 

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Sometimes when I'm downtown and I have gone shopping, to a restaurant etc I feel extreme guilt upon seeing homeless people. When I see destitute, sick people with nowhere to go, I often become tearful. I have bought cigarettes for homeless people when they wanted them more than food. These people are abused, they end up suffering from preventable illnesses. It's not surprising that sometimes they act out.
I don’t give to the people standing at the street lights everyday. Walking up and down the lanes at a red light.

But I will buy food for someone down and out. I do it more for teens now that I think about it. I think homeless teens get a bit of a bad rep and often are helped least by those who pass by because people feel these are just bad kids who don’t want to follow rules at home. When most often, it is because the streets are safer for them then at home.
 

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Maybe I am naive, can some one explain how and why teens are homeless and on the streets in a western democratic country ?
 

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Maybe I am naive, can some one explain how and why teens are homeless and on the streets in a western democratic country ?
Because they get abused at home, are often unable to get help in the system or the system is even worse on them.
 

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Maybe I am naive, can some one explain how and why teens are homeless and on the streets in a western democratic country ?
They think their parents are dictators and don't think they have to obey them. So they either leave or parents kick them out.
 

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Very sad to read about these circumstances.
Wealthy countries like Canada and USA cannot provide assistance to homeless and mentally ill.
Yet we can point fingers at other countries and accuse them of human rights violations.
Its very difficult to comprehend this attitude.
 

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some of the people in this thread just make me SMH
Going homeless can happen to anybody
heres some examples
your healthy now but god forbid you wake up tomorrow with a chronic health problem that fucks up your life your job your head and now your living off savings then presto your btroke ass
your wife wipes you out financuially your left with a bag of clothes then god forbid you lose your job -homeless
your an alcoholic you can't function without alcohol it fucks you up DUIS criminal record loss of job -homeless
you have a shopping addiction-you max out credit cards and lines of credit -your debt makes you homeless
your a gambler -your debt takes all your savings and assets -presto your homeless
your wife has a rare disease treatment for it to keep her alive is 150k a year not covered by any insurance plan
your a drug addict -you had a nice house car you put it all up your nose -hocus focus your brooks -homeless

To any of you that think homeless are pieces of shit -you really are a piece of shit and ill tell you why
a homeless guy doesn't have a bathroom near by all there time and that's beyond stressful
a homeless guy doesn't have a shower accessible that's stressful
a homeless guy has walked for 19 hours and that's stressful
a homeless guy tries not to get killed on street and that's stressful
a homeless guy probs can't have sex like he wants that's stressful
a homeless guy hasn't had his hair cut in 9 months that's stressful
and a homeless guy watches people walk by him everyday like he doesn't exist struggling that's stressful

so he finds a guy who wants to buy him something and he asks for more because hes not used to someone giving him anything
he wants more food or more money he feels having a Big Mac would be better with 2 of them

he wants that 5 to be a 20 because he wants to buy pizza n beer and feel like the old er self he was when he did that at home
and you think hes being ungrateful;
try living on the street for 48 hours most of you would have a breakdown most of these homeless people died have mental breakdowns being on the street
and if a bottle of whiskey makes him sleep after 6 days of staying awake so no one stabs him let him enjoy the fuckin whiskey
do you not see that these guys are sleeping on hard benches with all kinds of people coming around them
do you not see they just want to feel good while there beyond overwhelmed full of anxiety full of no hope no light at the end of the tunnel
because stupid people say go get a job
the shelters are dangerous more than the street
he can't afford a room because the government only gives 200 bucks to those with no fixed address and most don't get this because someone on the street pick pocketed there id when sleeping
they freeze in the winter they can't get healthcare without a card
they've been beating here and there
they smell
they have one change of clothing
and there hungry
and looking for a miracle
shame on the idiots for thinking that these people are not worth a helping hand
it could be you one day
it happened to me over 10 years ago
and it traumatizes you forever
 
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Very sad to read about these circumstances.
Wealthy countries like Canada and USA cannot provide assistance to homeless and mentally ill.
Yet we can point fingers at other countries and accuse them of human rights violations.
Its very difficult to comprehend this attitude.
You can give some of these people everything they need and they will still be ungrateful, or even refuse the help.
 

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@ the end of the day .. I've given plenty of 'homeless' people cash passing by .. Plenty of times I don't even get a thank you .. I don't need gratification nor applause doing this deed from others and agree with the sentiment with severals .. if you are doing it on video etc .. that is simply the WRONG reason to do it. .... Personally I feel a bit better about myself helping others with a small gesture .. and not here to solve their issues/problems .. IMO .. we are all close to the cliff one way or the other and should never judge/look down at someone who is in a bit tougher situation .. Mental health can affect anyone and luck and other variables are always around the corner good/bad
 
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Very sad to read about these circumstances.
Wealthy countries like Canada and USA cannot provide assistance to homeless and mentally ill.
Yet we can point fingers at other countries and accuse them of human rights violations.
Its very difficult to comprehend this attitude.
The truth is that nobody knows what to do about the mentally ill. The only tools we have available are counseling/therapy (which has little impact on many severely mentally ill) and drugs.

The brain is complex and we have no idea how to "fix" them. Assisting the mentally ill with medication and housing would cost billions of dollars. Nobody actually wants that kind of work nor wants to spend that kind of money. Do you want to pay a nurse $70k/year to clean a man that covers himself in feces everyday?

The mentally ill will continue to be an unsolvable problem for the foreseeable future.
 
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