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NotADcotor

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I’m pretty sure there’s too many previous generations of Ukrainians in Canada who are fairly conservative and PP cannot afford to lose them
I looked it up, and it seems Poulet is more of a pro Ukraine than TrueDooh. How much is that personal opinion vs just disagreeing for the sake of, I donno, but it bodes well. No Seat Max OTOH seems to have gone full Neville Chamberlain however he is pretty much irrelevant.

Granted we are pretty bush league, the big question is, does Biden win, if not, will DeathSanta beat Trump and if he does, which way will he go. I can't get a firm read on him and over time and with the primaries he could change. Seems his party is moving from Reagan/Bush to a bunch of pearl clutching girlymen so we will see.
If I was Biden and I actually gave a shit, I'd probably try to pump as much aid as possible Ukraine's way before the next election, just in case.
If the US does go full Neville Chamblerlain, I'd consider Ukraine truly ass invaded*, Europe just doesn't have the gear to send. I suppose they could build up capacity to build and buy toys to send over but they I suppose have their own politics, either way it would be a big loss.

* as opposed to being invaded by an ass.
 

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US National Security Experts Call for Peace in Ukraine (Urge No More Weapons For Ukraine In NY Times)

SUNDAY, MAY 21, 2023 - 11:30 PM
Via Consortium News,
Last week, The New York Times published a full-page advertisement signed by 15 U.S. national security experts about the war in Ukraine. It was headed “The U.S. Should Be a Force for Peace in the World,” and was drafted by the Eisenhower Media Network.
While condemning Russia’s invasion, the statement provides a more objective account of the crisis in Ukraine than the U.S. government or The New York Times has previously presented to the public, including the disastrous U.S. role in NATO expansion, the warnings ignored by successive U.S. administrations and the escalating tensions that ultimately led to war.




The statement calls the war an “unmitigated disaster,” and urges President Joe Biden and Congress “to end the war speedily through diplomacy, especially given the dangers of military escalation that could spiral out of control.”

This call for diplomacy by wise, experienced former insiders — U.S. diplomats, military officers and civilian officials — would have been a welcome intervention on any one of the past 442 days of this war. Yet their appeal now comes at an especially critical moment in the war.

On May 10, President Volodymyr Zelensky announced that he is delaying Ukraine’s long-awaited “spring offensive” to avoid “unacceptable” losses to Ukrainian forces.

Western policy has repeatedly put Zelenskyy in near-impossible positions, caught between the need to show signs of progress on the battlefield to justify further Western support and arms deliveries and, on the other hand, the shocking human cost of continued war represented by the fresh graveyards where tens of thousands of Ukrainians now lie buried.

It is not clear how a delay in the planned Ukrainian counter-attack would prevent it leading to unacceptable Ukrainian losses when it finally occurs, unless the delay in fact leads to scaling back and calling off many of the operations that have been planned.

Zelensky appears to be reaching a limit in terms of how many more of his people he is willing to sacrifice to satisfy Western demands for signs of military progress to hold together the Western alliance and maintain the flow of weapons and money to Ukraine.

Boris Johnson’s Role

Zelensky’s predicament is certainly the fault of Russia’s invasion, but also of his April 2022 deal with the devil in the shape of then-U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

Johnson promised Zelensky that the U.K. and the “collective West” were “in it for the long run” and would back him to recover all of Ukraine’s former territory, just as long as Ukraine stopped negotiating with Russia.

Johnson was never in a position to fulfill that promise and, since he was forced to resign as prime minister, he has endorsed a Russian withdrawal only from the territory it invaded since February 2022, not a return to pre-2014 borders. Yet that compromise was exactly what he talked Zelensky out of agreeing to in April 2022, when most of the war’s dead were still alive and the framework of a peace agreement was on the table at diplomatic talks in Turkey.

Zelensky has tried desperately to hold his Western backers to Johnson’s overblown promise. But short of direct U.S. and NATO military intervention, it seems that no quantity of Western weapons can decisively break the stalemate in what has degenerated into a brutal war of attrition, fought mainly by artillery and trench and urban warfare.


An American general bragged that the West has supplied Ukraine with 600 different weapons systems, but this itself creates problems. For example, the different 105 mm guns sent by the U.K., France, Germany and the U.S. all use different shells. And each time heavy losses force Ukraine to re-form survivors into new units, many of them have to be retrained on weapons and equipment they’ve never used before.
Leaked Pentagon Document
Despite U.S. deliveries of at least six types of anti-aircraft missiles — Stinger, NASAMS, Hawk, Rim-7, Avenger, and at least one Patriot missile battery — a leaked Pentagon document revealed that Ukraine’s Russian-built S-300 and Buk anti-aircraft systems still make up almost 90 percent of its main air defenses.
NATO countries have searched their weapons stockpiles for all the missiles they can provide for those systems, but Ukraine has nearly exhausted those supplies, leaving its forces newly vulnerable to Russian air strikes just as it prepares to launch its new counter-attack.
Since at least June 2022, Biden and other U.S. officials have acknowledged that the war must end in a diplomatic settlement, and have insisted that they are arming Ukraine to put it “in the strongest possible position at the negotiating table.” Until now, they have claimed that each new weapons system they have sent and each Ukrainian counter-offensive have contributed to that goal and left Ukraine in a stronger position.
But the leaked Pentagon documents and recent statements by U.S. and Ukrainian officials make it clear that Ukraine’s planned spring offensive, already delayed into summer, would lack the previous element of surprise and encounter stronger Russian defenses than the offensives that recovered some of its lost territory last fall.
One leaked Pentagon document warned that “enduring Ukrainian deficiencies in training and munitions supplies probably will strain progress and exacerbate casualties during the offensive,” concluding that it would probably make smaller territorial gains than the fall offensives did.



NATO’s Ukraine Defense Contact Group meeting on April 21. (NATO)


How can a new offensive with mixed results and higher casualties put Ukraine in a stronger position at a currently non-existent negotiating table? If the offensive reveals that even huge quantities of Western military aid have failed to give Ukraine military superiority or reduce its casualties to a sustainable level, it could very well leave Ukraine in a weaker negotiating position, instead of a stronger one.
Meanwhile, offers to mediate peace talks have been pouring in from countries all over the world, from the Vatican to China to Brazil. It has been six months since the U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley suggested publicly, after Ukraine’s military gains last fall, that the moment had come to negotiate from a position of strength. “When there’s an opportunity to negotiate, when peace can be achieved, seize it,” he said.
It would be doubly or triply tragic if, on top of the diplomatic failures that led to the war in the first place and the U.S. and U.K. undermining peace negotiations in April 2022, the chance for diplomacy that Milley wanted to seize is lost in the forlorn hope of attaining an even stronger negotiating position that is not really achievable.
If the U.S. persists in backing the plan for a Ukrainian offensive, instead of encouraging Zelenskyy to seize the moment for diplomacy, it will share considerable responsibility for the failure to seize the chance for peace, and for the appalling and ever-rising human costs of this war.
The experts who signed The New York Times statement recalled that, in 1997, 50 senior U.S. foreign policy experts warned President Bill Clinton that expanding NATO was a “policy error of historic proportions” and that, unfortunately, Clinton chose to ignore the warning. Biden, who is now pursuing his own policy error of historic proportions by prolonging this war, would do well to take the advice of today’s policy experts by helping to forge a diplomatic settlement and making the United States a force for peace in the world.
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TIMELINE
1990 – U.S. assures Russia that NATO will not expand towards its border “…there would be no extension of…NATO one inch to the east,” says US Secretary of State James Baker.
1996 – U.S. weapons manufacturers form the Committee to Expand NATO, spending over $51 million lobbying Congress.
1997 – 50 foreign policy experts including former senators, retired military officers and diplomats sign an open letter stating NATO expansion to be “a policy error of historic proportions.”
1999 – NATO admits Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic to NATO. U.S. and NATO bomb Russia’s ally, Serbia.
2001 – U.S. unilaterally withdraws from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.
2004 – Seven more Eastern European nations join NATO. NATO troops are now directly on Russia’s border.
2004 – Russia’s parliament passed a resolution denouncing NATO’s expansion. Putin responded by saying that Russia would “build our defense and security policy correspondingly.”
2008 – NATO leaders announced plans to bring Ukraine and Georgia, also on Russia’s borders, into NATO.
2009 – U.S. announced plans to put missile systems into Poland and Romania.

2014 – Legally elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych, fled violence to Moscow. Russia views ouster as a coup by U.S. and NATO nations.
2016 – U.S. begins troop buildup in Europe.
2019 – U.S. unilaterally withdraws from Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty.
2020 – U.S. unilaterally withdraws from Open Skies Treaty.
2021 – Russia submits negotiation proposals while sending more forces to the border with Ukraine. U.S. and NATO officials reject the Russian proposals immediately.
Feb 24, 2022 – Russia invades Ukraine, starting the Russia-Ukraine War.


PS. LOL. What brave souls to come out against the war after it is quite clear it has been lost. These assholes aren’t pro peace…they’re rats scurrying off the sinking ship. And 15 US national security experts wouldn't be recommending a diplomatic end to the conflict if Ukraine was winning! 😂 Hopefully is over… Russia has taken Bakhmut. All railroad lines are secured. The Ukes have no means of resupply.

PPS.
Ukraine is falling and Zelensky is running around on whirlwind tour, visiting Japan for G7 and lecturing the Middle- Eastern Sheikh at the Arabs League, on and on with his travels.….Wonder when Zelensky is going back home ? I won’t be surprised that he will be arrested when he come back home! Hopefully it is checkmate! Game Over .. Maybe wishful thinking on my parts! So no more potentially end of world scenarios and world 3 with Russia can put to rest !!! Oh yeah FJB !! … GO TRUMP GO ! MAGA !!! And finally defunk the deep state!!! No more endless war!!
 
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It would be political suicide for Putin to abandon the Russian (speaking) people in the Donbass.
The Russian speaking people of Donbas who were on board with and prepared to accept reintegration into Ukraine via the Steinmeier formula?

Putin cares about the Russian-speaking people of the Donbas now as much as the Arab Coalition cared and the Palestinians when they attacked Israel in 1973. Which is to say not at all. They have convenient pretense to launch a war, that's all.
 
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Things to keep one up at night.

1: As above, as I doubt Ukraine will finish the job in time for the next US elections, what happens next. Also there is bound to be donor fatigue at some point. So it will/could be a bit of a race between Ukraine winning and running out of support. More the reason for them to haz all the support asap instead of dragging it out.

2: What is the long term game. Russia has 4 times the population and 10 times the economy. Both are corrupt although it seems Ukraine is working on it. But even is western aid allows them the win, either they need to be put under NATO's umbrella [talking about my umbrella ella ella eh eh eh] or individual country treaties or we will need rebuild their army and pretty much pay for it's gear for a long time. There seems to be no serious discussion on this topic. We have about 20 times the GDP of Russia, it we could easily match whatever gear the Russians supply, at minimal cost, double plus so as we don't have their levels of corruption and our shit is better and our methods are better and it seems Russia just isn't willing to learn lessions. At least if Ukraine is stronk they can weather any ill political winds from the west, nation to nation is nothing but a worthless piece of paper at the end of the day [till it's not] Also a Ukraine that can match Russia takes a massive load off the rest of European NATO. We wouldn't even have to match 1 for 1, Again better gear, better operational/tactical use plus being on the defense equals profit. Also not only do we have the GDP to pay for it easily, for a while we can send older but still good shit. With F-35s coming in we can send the planes they are replacing, the German new Panther, the Abrams X always with the upgrading leaves lots of old shit to send. Hell the Yanks alone have enough M1, M2 and M3s in storage right now to make Ukraine a hard nut to crack. Now is the time to start training them to use it, even if they are not ready before peace they will be needed after peace.

3: Yeah we are boosting production of stuff, but we really need to be doing more. Not only does Ukraine need it, but it should be obvious to anyone that European NATO need a lot more shit in storage, never mind making up for what we are sending over, plus what Ukraine will need in the future and other obligations. One would think we would have learned from the shell shortages in WWI but fuck learning.

4: Justin Beiber might not tour but he still walks the earth, planning, strategizing for his next steps in spreading evil and world domination. Won't someone please think of the children.
 

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Seymour Hersh: 'Something Else Is Cooking' In Ukraine

MONDAY, MAY 22, 2023 - 04:15 AM
Authored by Seymour Hersh, via Scheerpost,
This story is a follow up to Seymour Hersh’s original report on the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage.
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Last Saturday the Washington Post published an exposé of classified American intelligence documents showing that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, working behind the back of the Biden White House, pushed hard earlier this year for an expanded series of missile attacks inside Russia. The documents were part of a large cache of classified materials posted online by an Air Force enlisted man now in custody. A senior official of the Biden administration, asked by the Post for comment on the newly revealed intelligence, said that Zelensky has never violated his pledge never to use American weapons to strike inside Russia. In the view of the White House, Zelensky can do no wrong.
Zelensky’s desire to take the war to Russia may not be clear to the president and senior foreign policy aides in the White House, but it is to those in the American intelligence community who have found it difficult to get their intelligence and their assessments a hearing in the Oval Office. Meanwhile, the slaughter in the city of Bakhmut continues. It is similar in idiocy, if not in numbers, to the slaughter in Verdun and the Somme during World War I. The men in charge of today’s war—in Moscow, Kiev, and Washington—have shown no interest even in temporary ceasefire talks that could serve as a prelude to something permanent. The talk now is only about the possibilities of a late spring or summer offensive by either party.
But something else is cooking, as some in the American intelligence community know and have reported in secret, at the instigation of government officials at various levels in Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Estonia, Czechoslovakia, and Latvia. These countries are all allies of Ukraine and declared enemies of Vladimir Putin.
This group is led by Poland, whose leadership no longer fears the Russian army because its performance in Ukraine has left the glow of its success at Stalingrad during the Second World War in tatters. It has been quietly urging Zelensky to find a way to end the war—even by resigning himself, if necessary—and to allow the process of rebuilding his nation to get under way. Zelensky is not budging, according to intercepts and other data known inside the Central Intelligence Agency, but he is beginning to lose the private support of his neighbors.






One of the driving forces for the quiet European talks with Zelensky has been the more than five million Ukrainians fleeing from the war who have crossed the country’s borders and have registered with its neighbors under an EU agreement for temporary protection that includes residency rights, access to the labor market, housing, social welfare assistance, and medical care.
An assessment published by the UN High Commissioner for Refugees reports that the estimate excludes roughly 3 million Ukrainian refugees who escaped from the war zone without a visa into any of the 27 European nations that have abolished border control between each other under the Schengen agreement. Ukraine, though not in the EU, now enjoys all the benefits of the Schengen pact. A few nations, exhausted by the 15-month war, have reintroduced some forms of border control, but the regional refugee crisis will not be resolved until there is a formal peace agreement.

The UNHRC reports that free travel from Ukraine into the Baltic states and EU states in Western Europe “makes it particularly difficult to determine exactly how many Ukrainians have reached the EU in the last few months, and where they are now.” The report says the “vast majority” of the Ukrainian refugees are women and children, and one third of them are under the age of eighteen. Seventy-three per cent of the refugees of working age are women, many with children.

A February analysis of the European refugee issue by the Council on Foreign Relations found that “tens of billions of dollars” in humanitarian aid were poured into Ukraine’s neighbors during the war’s first year.

“As the conflict enters its second year with no end in sight,” the report says, “experts worry that host countries are growing fatigued.”
Weeks ago I learned that the American intelligence community was aware that some officials in Western Europe and the Baltic states want the war between Ukraine and Russia to end. These officials have concluded that it is time for Zelensky to “come around” and seek a settlement. A knowledgeable American official told me that some in the leadership in Hungary and Poland were among those working together to get Ukraine involved in serious talks with Moscow. “Hungary is a big player in this and so are Poland and Germany, and they are working to get Zelensky to come around,” the American official said. The European leaders have made it clear that “Zelensky can keep what he’s got”—a villa in Italy and interests in offshore bank accounts—“if he works up a peace deal even if he’s got to be paid off, if it’s the only way to get a deal.”

So far, the official said, Zelensky has rejected such advice and ignored offers of large sums of money to ease his retreat to an estate he owns in Italy. There is no support in the Biden Administration for any settlement that involves Zelensky’s departure, and the leadership in France and England “are too beholden” to Biden to contemplate such a scenario. There is a reality that some elements in the American intelligence community can’t ignore, the official said, even if the White House is ignoring it: “Ukraine is running out of money and it is known that the next four or months are critical. And Eastern Europeans are talking about a deal.” The issue for them, the official told me, “is how to get the United States to stop supporting Zelensky,” The White House support goes beyond the needs of the war: “We are paying all of the retirement funds—the 401k’s—for Ukraine.”

And Zelensky wants more, the official said.

“Zelensky is telling us that if you want to win the war you’ve got to give me more money and more stuff. He tells us, ‘I’ve got to pay off the generals.’ He’s telling us”—if he is forced out of office—“he’s going to the highest bidder. He’d rather go to Italy than stay and possibly get killed by his own people.”
“All of this talk is being reported and is now flying around inside the American intelligence community, but, as usual,” the official said, “it’s not clear to the intelligence community what the president and his foreign policy aides in the White House know of the reality” of the European discussion about finding a way to end the war.

“We are still training Ukrainians how to fly our F-16s that will be shot down by Russia as soon as they get into the war zone. The mainstream press is dedicated to Biden and the war and Biden is still talking about the Great Satan in Moscow while the Russian economy is doing great. Putin can stay where he is”—in power—“despite his failure to wipe Ukraine off the map as an independent state. And he thought he would win the war with just one airborne division”—a sardonic reference to Russia’s failed effort in the first days of the war to seize a vital airport by parachuting in an attack force.

Europe’s problem,” the official said, in terms of getting a quick settlement to the war, “is that the White House wants Zelensky to survive while there are others”—in Russia and in some European capitals—“who say Zelensky has got to go, no matter what,”
It’s not clear that this understanding has gotten to the Oval Office. I have been told that some of the better intelligence about the war does not reach the president, through no fault of those who prepare the often contrary assessments. Biden is said to rely on briefings and other materials prepared by Avril Haines, director of National Intelligence, since the Biden Administration came into office. She has spent much of her career working for Secretary of State Anthony Blinken, whose ties to Biden and agreement with him on matters pertaining to Russia and China go back decades.

The one saving grace for some in the community, I have been told, has been CIA Director William Burns.

Burns was ambassador to Russia and deputy secretary of State and is seen as someone “who has come around” in opposition to some of the White House’s foreign policy follies. “He doesn’t want to be a rat on a sinking ship,” the official told me.

On the other hand, I have been told, it’s not clear to those in the CIA who prepare the President’s Daily Brief that Joe Biden is a regular reader of their intelligence summary. The document is usually three pages. Decades ago I was told—by someone who begged me not to write about it at the time—that Ronald Reagan rarely read the PDB until Colin Powell, then in the White House, began reading it to a video recorder. The tape would then be played for the president. It’s unclear who, if anyone, might take the initiative as Biden’s Colin Powell.

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PS. The lies from the Mainstream media, neocons , MIC, NATO, CIA, Soros, WEF, and Neoliberal are being exposed by Hersh. The truth will eventually come out, history is on the side of Russia! My prediction history will repeat itself remember the scenes where Mussolini hanging in Italy Rome during WWII on lamppost by his own people .
This will happen to President Zelensky if he don’t bribe enough Generals and leave Ukraine soon enough !!!
President Zelensky said He’d rather go to Italy than stay and possibly get killed by his own people.” See above quote in article in blue!
PPS. Let this quote sink in “ rat on a sinking ship” . See above quote by CIA director William Burns!
 
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Always follow the money!

The US deep state achieved its objectives in the first couple of months of the war:

  1. NS2 destroyed
  2. Germany Russian business relationship terminated
  3. NATO revived and expanded
  4. Eurotards rearming…good for USA Miltary Industries Complex ( MIC).


In fact the only winner in this is China.
China gets
1) Rerouted oil / gas at lower price
2) US, UK and Russia deplete their armories and manpower
3) They will likely help broker peace and get some sweet contracts for the Belt/Road
4) BRICS is furiously building alternatives to dollar trade

This proxy war is such complete and utter idiocy on every single level imaginable



ENJOY THE SHOW | Director's Cut


Also of interest, and admitted to by the executives at the German chemical powerhouse BASF, is that in their own words they are only able to pay the generous employee obligations in their crippled and shutting down German location due to the booming conditions in their new Chinese BASF location.

Additionally of interest is that German auto exports to Kazakhstan have gone up many multiples and Russians and simply importing them from there.
So good job, NATO, very nice.


Seymour Hersh ignores the fact that Brits are in charge of this war. Even former Ukrainian politicians say that Britain is in command of the army and of terror operations inside Russia. They did the Nord Stream too. They were the first to send tanks, uranium tank shells, missiles, long range missiles, etc...


Always follow the money - Biden's want to keep the eastern Europe graft rolling. If Zelensky can keep his off-shore accounts,…. All the while blowing up Hunter's bio-labs eliminating the evidence.
 
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Seymour Hersh: 'Something Else Is Cooking' In Ukraine

MONDAY, MAY 22, 2023 - 04:15 AM
Authored by Seymour Hersh, via Scheerpost,
This story is a follow up to Seymour Hersh’s original report on the Nord Stream pipeline sabotage.
Sign up at seymourhersh.substack.com so you can support Sy Hersh’s work


Last Saturday the Washington Post published an exposé of classified American intelligence documents showing that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, working behind the back of the Biden White House, pushed hard earlier this year for an expanded series of missile attacks inside Russia. The documents were part of a large cache of classified materials posted online by an Air Force enlisted man now in custody. A senior official of the Biden administration, asked by the Post for comment on the newly revealed intelligence, said that Zelensky has never violated his pledge never to use American weapons to strike inside Russia. In the view of the White House, Zelensky can do no wrong.
Zelensky’s desire to take the war to Russia may not be clear to the president and senior foreign policy aides in the White House, but it is to those in the American intelligence community who have found it difficult to get their intelligence and their assessments a hearing in the Oval Office. Meanwhile, the slaughter in the city of Bakhmut continues. It is similar in idiocy, if not in numbers, to the slaughter in Verdun and the Somme during World War I. The men in charge of today’s war—in Moscow, Kiev, and Washington—have shown no interest even in temporary ceasefire talks that could serve as a prelude to something permanent. The talk now is only about the possibilities of a late spring or summer offensive by either party.
But something else is cooking, as some in the American intelligence community know and have reported in secret, at the instigation of government officials at various levels in Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Estonia, Czechoslovakia, and Latvia. These countries are all allies of Ukraine and declared enemies of Vladimir Putin.
This group is led by Poland, whose leadership no longer fears the Russian army because its performance in Ukraine has left the glow of its success at Stalingrad during the Second World War in tatters. It has been quietly urging Zelensky to find a way to end the war—even by resigning himself, if necessary—and to allow the process of rebuilding his nation to get under way. Zelensky is not budging, according to intercepts and other data known inside the Central Intelligence Agency, but he is beginning to lose the private support of his neighbors.






One of the driving forces for the quiet European talks with Zelensky has been the more than five million Ukrainians fleeing from the war who have crossed the country’s borders and have registered with its neighbors under an EU agreement for temporary protection that includes residency rights, access to the labor market, housing, social welfare assistance, and medical care.
An assessment published by the UN High Commissioner for Refugees reports that the estimate excludes roughly 3 million Ukrainian refugees who escaped from the war zone without a visa into any of the 27 European nations that have abolished border control between each other under the Schengen agreement. Ukraine, though not in the EU, now enjoys all the benefits of the Schengen pact. A few nations, exhausted by the 15-month war, have reintroduced some forms of border control, but the regional refugee crisis will not be resolved until there is a formal peace agreement.

The UNHRC reports that free travel from Ukraine into the Baltic states and EU states in Western Europe “makes it particularly difficult to determine exactly how many Ukrainians have reached the EU in the last few months, and where they are now.” The report says the “vast majority” of the Ukrainian refugees are women and children, and one third of them are under the age of eighteen. Seventy-three per cent of the refugees of working age are women, many with children.

A February analysis of the European refugee issue by the Council on Foreign Relations found that “tens of billions of dollars” in humanitarian aid were poured into Ukraine’s neighbors during the war’s first year.


Weeks ago I learned that the American intelligence community was aware that some officials in Western Europe and the Baltic states want the war between Ukraine and Russia to end.
These officials have concluded that it is time for Zelensky to “come around” and seek a settlement. A knowledgeable American official told me that some in the leadership in Hungary and Poland were among those working together to get Ukraine involved in serious talks with Moscow. “Hungary is a big player in this and so are Poland and Germany, and they are working to get Zelensky to come around,” the American official said. The European leaders have made it clear that “Zelensky can keep what he’s got”—a villa in Italy and interests in offshore bank accounts—“if he works up a peace deal even if he’s got to be paid off, if it’s the only way to get a deal.”

So far, the official said, Zelensky has rejected such advice and ignored offers of large sums of money to ease his retreat to an estate he owns in Italy. There is no support in the Biden Administration for any settlement that involves Zelensky’s departure, and the leadership in France and England “are too beholden” to Biden to contemplate such a scenario. There is a reality that some elements in the American intelligence community can’t ignore, the official said, even if the White House is ignoring it: “Ukraine is running out of money and it is known that the next four or months are critical. And Eastern Europeans are talking about a deal.” The issue for them, the official told me, “is how to get the United States to stop supporting Zelensky,” The White House support goes beyond the needs of the war: “We are paying all of the retirement funds—the 401k’s—for Ukraine.”

And Zelensky wants more, the official said.


“All of this talk is being reported and is now flying around inside the American intelligence community, but, as usual,” the official said, “it’s not clear to the intelligence community what the president and his foreign policy aides in the White House know of the reality” of the European discussion about finding a way to end the war.

“We are still training Ukrainians how to fly our F-16s that will be shot down by Russia as soon as they get into the war zone. The mainstream press is dedicated to Biden and the war and Biden is still talking about the Great Satan in Moscow while the Russian economy is doing great. Putin can stay where he is”—in power—“despite his failure to wipe Ukraine off the map as an independent state. And he thought he would win the war with just one airborne division”—a sardonic reference to Russia’s failed effort in the first days of the war to seize a vital airport by parachuting in an attack force.


It’s not clear that this understanding has gotten to the Oval Office. I have been told that some of the better intelligence about the war does not reach the president, through no fault of those who prepare the often contrary assessments. Biden is said to rely on briefings and other materials prepared by Avril Haines, director of National Intelligence, since the Biden Administration came into office. She has spent much of her career working for Secretary of State Anthony Blinken, whose ties to Biden and agreement with him on matters pertaining to Russia and China go back decades.

The one saving grace for some in the community, I have been told, has been CIA Director William Burns.

Burns was ambassador to Russia and deputy secretary of State and is seen as someone “who has come around” in opposition to some of the White House’s foreign policy follies. “He doesn’t want to be a rat on a sinking ship,” the official told me.

On the other hand, I have been told, it’s not clear to those in the CIA who prepare the President’s Daily Brief that Joe Biden is a regular reader of their intelligence summary. The document is usually three pages. Decades ago I was told—by someone who begged me not to write about it at the time—that Ronald Reagan rarely read the PDB until Colin Powell, then in the White House, began reading it to a video recorder. The tape would then be played for the president. It’s unclear who, if anyone, might take the initiative as Biden’s Colin Powell.

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PS. The lies from the Mainstream media, neocons , MIC, NATO, CIA, Soros, WEF, and Neoliberal are being exposed by Hersh. The truth will eventually come out, history is on the side of Russia! My prediction history will repeat itself remember the scenes where Mussolini hanging in Italy Rome during WWII on lamppost by his own people .
This will happen to President Zelensky if he don’t bribe enough Generals and leave Ukraine soon enough !!!
President Zelensky said He’d rather go to Italy than stay and possibly get killed by his own people.” See above quote in article in blue!
PPS. Let this quote sink in “ rat on a sinking ship” . See above quote by CIA director William Burns!
"What's cooking" is ..... SPAM
 
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Always follow the money!

The US deep state achieved its objectives in the first couple of months of the war:

  1. NS2 destroyed
  2. Germany Russian business relationship terminated
  3. NATO revived and expanded
  4. Eurotards rearming…good for USA Miltary Industries Complex ( MIC).


In fact the only winner in this is China.
China gets
1) Rerouted oil / gas at lower price
2) US, UK and Russia deplete their armories and manpower
3) They will likely help broker peace and get some sweet contracts for the Belt/Road
4) BRICS is furiously building alternatives to dollar trade

This proxy war is such complete and utter idiocy on every single level imaginable



ENJOY THE SHOW | Director's Cut


Also of interest, and admitted to by the executives at the German chemical powerhouse BASF, is that in their own words they are only able to pay the generous employee obligations in their crippled and shutting down German location due to the booming conditions in their new Chinese BASF location.

Additionally of interest is that German auto exports to Kazakhstan have gone up many multiples and Russians and simply importing them from there.
So good job, NATO, very nice.


Seymour Hersh ignores the fact that Brits are in charge of this war. Even former Ukrainian politicians say that Britain is in command of the army and of terror operations inside Russia. They did the Nord Stream too. They were the first to send tanks, uranium tank shells, missiles, long range missiles, etc...


Always follow the money - Biden's want to keep the eastern Europe graft rolling. If Zelensky can keep his off-shore accounts,…. All the while blowing up Hunter's bio-labs eliminating the evidence.
"Always follow the" .... SPAM.
 

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The New York Times reports:

The state-run Channel 1 newscast cited statements by President Vladimir V. Putin and Russia’s Defense Ministry that gave Wagner partial credit for capturing the city. Channel 1 also featured footage of armed men described as Wagner fighters yelling, “Bakhmut is ours!”
The Russian flag as well as flags of PMC Wagner have been seen across the central part of the strategic city in the Donetsk region. “Vladimir Putin congratulated the assault units of Wagner as well as all servicemen of units of the Russian armed forces who provided them with the necessary support and flank cover, on the completion of the operation to liberate,” TASS wrote, also saying those who fought with distinction would receive military awards.




But the Times also notes that Kiev is rejecting Russia's full victory over the city, writing "Although Russia claims it has won control of Ukraine’s eastern city of Bakhmut after a grinding nine-month conflict in which tens of thousands of fighters have died, top Ukrainian military leaders say the battle is not over."

While it's widely being acknowledged that Ukrainian troops have left the city, Ukraine has said it will regroup and counter attack from the outskirts.

“The offensive potential of the enemy has been significantly reduced. Huge losses have been inflicted on the enemy. We have gained time for certain actions, which will be revealed later,” Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar said in a Monday statement.

The enemy failed to surround Bakhmut. They lost part of the heights around the city. The continuing advance of our troops in the suburbs greatly complicates the enemy’s presence,” Maliar said. “Our troops have taken the city in a semi-encirclement, which gives us the opportunity to destroy the enemy.”


Via Sky News


The Ukrainian side is also claiming that a central strategy in Bakhmut was to exhaust Russian forces and ensure it sustained heavy casualties. “Despite the fact that we now control a small part of Bakhmut, the importance of its defense does not lose its relevance,” Ukraine's ground commander Col.-Gen. Oleksandr Syrskyi said. “This gives us the opportunity to enter the city in case of a change in the situation. And it will definitely happen.”
President Zelensky too and his top officials as of Sunday evening were still rejecting that Russia achieved completed victory over Bakhmut:

Responding to a reporter’s question about the status of the city at the Group of Seven summit in Japan, Zelenskyy said: “Bakhmut is not occupied by the Russian Federation as of today.”
“We are not throwing people (away) to die,”
Zelenskyy said in Ukrainian through an interpreter. “People are the treasure. I clearly understand what is happening in Bakhmut. I cannot share with you the technical details of what is happening with our warriors.”
“The fight for the city of Bakhmut is continuing,” the Ukrainian military’s general staff said in a statement on Sunday evening.


However, after a grinding fight that lasted over 200 days, and with Ukrainian forces now clearly in retreat from the city (which even the D.C.-based Institute for the Study of War is acknowledging), it's highly unlikely there will be any 'attack from the outside' on the utterly destroyed city, which wouldn't make sense. Zelensky seemed to admit this in saying, "We are not throwing people away to die" - at the G7 in Japan.


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They branded the final surrender of Azovstal in Mariupol as a successful "extraction". Pathetic.


PS . Think about what Zelensky just said at G7 in Japan… “We are not throwing people (away) to die,”

PPS . That is exactly what you are doing.....
 
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Addict, Oil, Demand, and Krem if you are seeing this, PUTIN is doing it, gentlemen!!! He's building a settlement for folks who love him.


Can you ask Trudeau for assurance citizens are free to join the Russian army to
fight alongside Putin first? Trudeau just announced 70+ new sanctions including
sanctions against individuals involved in the war. I presume that could be a warning
against citizens taking a trip to Russian to show their love to Putin.

It is safer for you to go over there to fight on Zelensky's side. Trudeau
may not want to cover the cost of your casket. But at least you won't
be put in jail if you come back alive.

https://globalnews.ca/video/9711189...tities-people-involved-in-war-against-ukraine
 
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Can you ask Trudeau for assurance citizens are free to join the Russian army to
fight alongside Putin first? Trudeau just announced 70+ new sanctions including
sanctions against individuals involved in the war. I presume that could be a warning
against citizens taking a trip to Russian to show their love to Putin.

It is safer for you to go over there to fight on Zelensky's side. Trudeau
may not want to cover the cost of your casket. But at least you won't
be put in jail if you come back alive.

https://globalnews.ca/video/9711189...tities-people-involved-in-war-against-ukraine
I applaud Trudeau for making damn, fucking sure that Canadians don't volunteer for an army of genocide and terror. Well done, Justin!!

I also love the fact that you demand that Canadians be allowed to fight for Putin right after I post articles about Russian leaders in Nazi regalia. I love how you fight for Nazi genociders to have equal rights. Total respect for that, Oily!
 

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I applaud Trudeau for making damn, fucking sure that Canadians don't volunteer for an army of genocide and terror. Well done, Justin!!
Those who are not supportive of Ukraine do not necessarily love
Putin. A lot of them want the war to stop as quick as it can.

I also love the fact that you demand that Canadians be allowed to fight for Putin right after I post articles about Russian leaders in Nazi regalia. I love how you fight for Nazi genociders to have equal rights. Total respect for that, Oily!
That post of mine is not an assertion of the right to fight the nation's enemy
but a response to the invitation posed by someone in disagreement of a
political nature to join an imaginary enemy.

In the WWII years a Canadian citizen who chose to fight on the side of
the Nazi regime and its allies would be charged with treason. We were in
war at the time. We were fighting a coalition of enemy nations who declared
war on us and our allies. And we also declared war on them.

To my knowledge neither Russia and Canada has declared war on each
other and Ukraine is not formally an ally. If Trudeau can pay Omar Khadr
$10.5 million can one embark on a trip to Russia to show his support to Putin?
Trudeau the senior could bike around wearing a German helmet while
our young men were fighting for our freedom and still became the greatest
PM of the nation. Can people on a hobbying board debate from the side of Putin
and won't be called a nazi supporter?
 

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I applaud Trudeau for making damn, fucking sure that Canadians don't volunteer for an army of genocide and terror. Well done, Justin!!

I also love the fact that you demand that Canadians be allowed to fight for Putin right after I post articles about Russian leaders in Nazi regalia. I love how you fight for Nazi genociders to have equal rights. Total respect for that, Oily!

Oily is right. Bordering on greasy. Maybe slimy.

He cries Crocodile Tears for any Canadian Citizen who would face sanctions if they volunteered to fight in a war for an army and country that are commiting genocide and terrorist actions against civilians that Canada is officially opposed to.

Any Canadian Citizen has the freedom to go anywhere. Including Russia. And including fighting in their army. If any Canadian Citizen does decide to exercise their right of freedom to travel, so too must they accept the same laws based country's laws. They have to realize that they will face pre-exisiting sanctions that Canada has imposed to anyone offering military support to Russia. Never mind the consequences of a myriad of sanctions imposed by many other countries. Or ending up in The Hague.

So if it is that important that any Canuk feels the deep duty to risk their lives to fight for the Russian army, then any economic or penal sanctions they may face on their return to Canada are inconsequential to such brave, principled people.

But as usual, slime&gas is just continuing to post Tucker Calson-esque 'questions' or hyotheticals when in fact he is just trying to sow discord like a true Vatnik troll
 
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Ukraine war: Russia battles armed group in border region

By James Gregory
BBC News

An armed group has crossed from Ukraine into Russia's Belgorod region and clashes there have injured a number of people, Russian authorities say.
Local governor Vyacheslav Gladkov said Russian forces were searching for "saboteurs", who he said had attacked Grayvoronsky district by the border.
Vladimir Putin's spokesman said the Russian president had been informed.
Ukraine denies responsibility and said Russian citizens from two paramilitary groups were behind the incursion.
Mr Gladkov said eight people had been hurt, including two people admitted to hospital after a village was shelled and three people who were hit by shrapnel in the town of Grayvoron.
Fighting had also damaged three houses and a local administrative building, and the situation remains "extremely tense", he said.

The governor said a "counter-terrorist operation" had been launched in the region, giving special powers to the authorities including on identity checks and communications surveillance.
BBC Verify has been analysing footage from the Belgorod region that emerged on social media on Monday.
So far, the team has located a video apparently filmed from a drone that features several armoured vehicles near a border checkpoint south of Belgorod. Additionally, BBC Verify has geolocated footage of helicopters operating in the region.
The footage is recent, but it is hard to say for certain from the videos what the exact sequence of events is.
Kyiv said those behind the ongoing incident were from groups called the Liberty of Russia Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps (RVC).
The Liberty of Russia Legion - a Ukraine-based Russian militia which says it is working inside Russia to overthrow President Putin - said on Twitter on Monday it had "completely liberated" the border town of Kozinka. It said forward units had reached the town of Grayvoron, further east.

However Mr Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Russian news agencies that efforts were underway to eliminate the sabotage group, and said its purpose was to draw attention away from the eastern Ukrainian town of Bakhmut - which a Russian mercenary group claims to have taken control ofafter months of intense and bloody fighting.
"We perfectly understand the purpose of such sabotage - to divert attention from the Bakhmut direction, to minimise the political effect of the loss of Artemovsk [Bakhmut] by the Ukrainian side," he said.
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Kyiv says it still controls parts of the city.
Ukrainian presidential advisor Mikhaylo Podolyak said his country was watching events in Belgorod "with interest", but "has nothing to do with it".
"As you know, tanks are sold at any Russian military store, and underground guerrilla groups are composed of Russian citizens," he added.
Ukraine has previously denied responsibility for reported sabotage attacks on Russian territory.


The latest incident comes ahead of a widely expected counter offensive by Kyiv against invading Russian forces.
In April, Russia accidentally dropped a bomb on the city of Belgorod, which lies 40 km (25 miles) north of the border with Ukraine.
More than 3,000 people were evacuated from their homes after an undetonated explosive was found days later.
 
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Ukraine war: Russia battles armed group in border region

By James Gregory
BBC News

An armed group has crossed from Ukraine into Russia's Belgorod region and clashes there have injured a number of people, Russian authorities say.
Local governor Vyacheslav Gladkov said Russian forces were searching for "saboteurs", who he said had attacked Grayvoronsky district by the border.
Vladimir Putin's spokesman said the Russian president had been informed.
Ukraine denies responsibility and said Russian citizens from two paramilitary groups were behind the incursion.
Mr Gladkov said eight people had been hurt, including two people admitted to hospital after a village was shelled and three people who were hit by shrapnel in the town of Grayvoron.
Fighting had also damaged three houses and a local administrative building, and the situation remains "extremely tense", he said.

The governor said a "counter-terrorist operation" had been launched in the region, giving special powers to the authorities including on identity checks and communications surveillance.
BBC Verify has been analysing footage from the Belgorod region that emerged on social media on Monday.
So far, the team has located a video apparently filmed from a drone that features several armoured vehicles near a border checkpoint south of Belgorod. Additionally, BBC Verify has geolocated footage of helicopters operating in the region.
The footage is recent, but it is hard to say for certain from the videos what the exact sequence of events is.
Kyiv said those behind the ongoing incident were from groups called the Liberty of Russia Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps (RVC).
The Liberty of Russia Legion - a Ukraine-based Russian militia which says it is working inside Russia to overthrow President Putin - said on Twitter on Monday it had "completely liberated" the border town of Kozinka. It said forward units had reached the town of Grayvoron, further east.

However Mr Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Russian news agencies that efforts were underway to eliminate the sabotage group, and said its purpose was to draw attention away from the eastern Ukrainian town of Bakhmut - which a Russian mercenary group claims to have taken control ofafter months of intense and bloody fighting.
"We perfectly understand the purpose of such sabotage - to divert attention from the Bakhmut direction, to minimise the political effect of the loss of Artemovsk [Bakhmut] by the Ukrainian side," he said.
map

Kyiv says it still controls parts of the city.
Ukrainian presidential advisor Mikhaylo Podolyak said his country was watching events in Belgorod "with interest", but "has nothing to do with it".
"As you know, tanks are sold at any Russian military store, and underground guerrilla groups are composed of Russian citizens," he added.
Ukraine has previously denied responsibility for reported sabotage attacks on Russian territory.


The latest incident comes ahead of a widely expected counter offensive by Kyiv against invading Russian forces.
In April, Russia accidentally dropped a bomb on the city of Belgorod, which lies 40 km (25 miles) north of the border with Ukraine.
More than 3,000 people were evacuated from their homes after an undetonated explosive was found days later.
Seeing as the Russians destroyed many cities as Mariupal, it is time for the Ukrainians to turn their guns on Belgorod and Rostov on Don.
 
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