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The New York Times reports:

The state-run Channel 1 newscast cited statements by President Vladimir V. Putin and Russia’s Defense Ministry that gave Wagner partial credit for capturing the city. Channel 1 also featured footage of armed men described as Wagner fighters yelling, “Bakhmut is ours!”
The Russian flag as well as flags of PMC Wagner have been seen across the central part of the strategic city in the Donetsk region. “Vladimir Putin congratulated the assault units of Wagner as well as all servicemen of units of the Russian armed forces who provided them with the necessary support and flank cover, on the completion of the operation to liberate,” TASS wrote, also saying those who fought with distinction would receive military awards.




But the Times also notes that Kiev is rejecting Russia's full victory over the city, writing "Although Russia claims it has won control of Ukraine’s eastern city of Bakhmut after a grinding nine-month conflict in which tens of thousands of fighters have died, top Ukrainian military leaders say the battle is not over."

While it's widely being acknowledged that Ukrainian troops have left the city, Ukraine has said it will regroup and counter attack from the outskirts.

“The offensive potential of the enemy has been significantly reduced. Huge losses have been inflicted on the enemy. We have gained time for certain actions, which will be revealed later,” Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar said in a Monday statement.

The enemy failed to surround Bakhmut. They lost part of the heights around the city. The continuing advance of our troops in the suburbs greatly complicates the enemy’s presence,” Maliar said. “Our troops have taken the city in a semi-encirclement, which gives us the opportunity to destroy the enemy.”


Via Sky News


The Ukrainian side is also claiming that a central strategy in Bakhmut was to exhaust Russian forces and ensure it sustained heavy casualties. “Despite the fact that we now control a small part of Bakhmut, the importance of its defense does not lose its relevance,” Ukraine's ground commander Col.-Gen. Oleksandr Syrskyi said. “This gives us the opportunity to enter the city in case of a change in the situation. And it will definitely happen.”
President Zelensky too and his top officials as of Sunday evening were still rejecting that Russia achieved completed victory over Bakhmut:

Responding to a reporter’s question about the status of the city at the Group of Seven summit in Japan, Zelenskyy said: “Bakhmut is not occupied by the Russian Federation as of today.”
“We are not throwing people (away) to die,”
Zelenskyy said in Ukrainian through an interpreter. “People are the treasure. I clearly understand what is happening in Bakhmut. I cannot share with you the technical details of what is happening with our warriors.”
“The fight for the city of Bakhmut is continuing,” the Ukrainian military’s general staff said in a statement on Sunday evening.


However, after a grinding fight that lasted over 200 days, and with Ukrainian forces now clearly in retreat from the city (which even the D.C.-based Institute for the Study of War is acknowledging), it's highly unlikely there will be any 'attack from the outside' on the utterly destroyed city, which wouldn't make sense. Zelensky seemed to admit this in saying, "We are not throwing people away to die" - at the G7 in Japan.


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They branded the final surrender of Azovstal in Mariupol as a successful "extraction". Pathetic.


PS . Think about what Zelensky just said at G7 in Japan… “We are not throwing people (away) to die,”

PPS . That is exactly what you are doing.....
 
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Addict, Oil, Demand, and Krem if you are seeing this, PUTIN is doing it, gentlemen!!! He's building a settlement for folks who love him.


Can you ask Trudeau for assurance citizens are free to join the Russian army to
fight alongside Putin first? Trudeau just announced 70+ new sanctions including
sanctions against individuals involved in the war. I presume that could be a warning
against citizens taking a trip to Russian to show their love to Putin.

It is safer for you to go over there to fight on Zelensky's side. Trudeau
may not want to cover the cost of your casket. But at least you won't
be put in jail if you come back alive.

https://globalnews.ca/video/9711189...tities-people-involved-in-war-against-ukraine
 
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Can you ask Trudeau for assurance citizens are free to join the Russian army to
fight alongside Putin first? Trudeau just announced 70+ new sanctions including
sanctions against individuals involved in the war. I presume that could be a warning
against citizens taking a trip to Russian to show their love to Putin.

It is safer for you to go over there to fight on Zelensky's side. Trudeau
may not want to cover the cost of your casket. But at least you won't
be put in jail if you come back alive.

https://globalnews.ca/video/9711189...tities-people-involved-in-war-against-ukraine
I applaud Trudeau for making damn, fucking sure that Canadians don't volunteer for an army of genocide and terror. Well done, Justin!!

I also love the fact that you demand that Canadians be allowed to fight for Putin right after I post articles about Russian leaders in Nazi regalia. I love how you fight for Nazi genociders to have equal rights. Total respect for that, Oily!
 

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I applaud Trudeau for making damn, fucking sure that Canadians don't volunteer for an army of genocide and terror. Well done, Justin!!
Those who are not supportive of Ukraine do not necessarily love
Putin. A lot of them want the war to stop as quick as it can.

I also love the fact that you demand that Canadians be allowed to fight for Putin right after I post articles about Russian leaders in Nazi regalia. I love how you fight for Nazi genociders to have equal rights. Total respect for that, Oily!
That post of mine is not an assertion of the right to fight the nation's enemy
but a response to the invitation posed by someone in disagreement of a
political nature to join an imaginary enemy.

In the WWII years a Canadian citizen who chose to fight on the side of
the Nazi regime and its allies would be charged with treason. We were in
war at the time. We were fighting a coalition of enemy nations who declared
war on us and our allies. And we also declared war on them.

To my knowledge neither Russia and Canada has declared war on each
other and Ukraine is not formally an ally. If Trudeau can pay Omar Khadr
$10.5 million can one embark on a trip to Russia to show his support to Putin?
Trudeau the senior could bike around wearing a German helmet while
our young men were fighting for our freedom and still became the greatest
PM of the nation. Can people on a hobbying board debate from the side of Putin
and won't be called a nazi supporter?
 

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I applaud Trudeau for making damn, fucking sure that Canadians don't volunteer for an army of genocide and terror. Well done, Justin!!

I also love the fact that you demand that Canadians be allowed to fight for Putin right after I post articles about Russian leaders in Nazi regalia. I love how you fight for Nazi genociders to have equal rights. Total respect for that, Oily!

Oily is right. Bordering on greasy. Maybe slimy.

He cries Crocodile Tears for any Canadian Citizen who would face sanctions if they volunteered to fight in a war for an army and country that are commiting genocide and terrorist actions against civilians that Canada is officially opposed to.

Any Canadian Citizen has the freedom to go anywhere. Including Russia. And including fighting in their army. If any Canadian Citizen does decide to exercise their right of freedom to travel, so too must they accept the same laws based country's laws. They have to realize that they will face pre-exisiting sanctions that Canada has imposed to anyone offering military support to Russia. Never mind the consequences of a myriad of sanctions imposed by many other countries. Or ending up in The Hague.

So if it is that important that any Canuk feels the deep duty to risk their lives to fight for the Russian army, then any economic or penal sanctions they may face on their return to Canada are inconsequential to such brave, principled people.

But as usual, slime&gas is just continuing to post Tucker Calson-esque 'questions' or hyotheticals when in fact he is just trying to sow discord like a true Vatnik troll
 
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Ukraine war: Russia battles armed group in border region

By James Gregory
BBC News

An armed group has crossed from Ukraine into Russia's Belgorod region and clashes there have injured a number of people, Russian authorities say.
Local governor Vyacheslav Gladkov said Russian forces were searching for "saboteurs", who he said had attacked Grayvoronsky district by the border.
Vladimir Putin's spokesman said the Russian president had been informed.
Ukraine denies responsibility and said Russian citizens from two paramilitary groups were behind the incursion.
Mr Gladkov said eight people had been hurt, including two people admitted to hospital after a village was shelled and three people who were hit by shrapnel in the town of Grayvoron.
Fighting had also damaged three houses and a local administrative building, and the situation remains "extremely tense", he said.

The governor said a "counter-terrorist operation" had been launched in the region, giving special powers to the authorities including on identity checks and communications surveillance.
BBC Verify has been analysing footage from the Belgorod region that emerged on social media on Monday.
So far, the team has located a video apparently filmed from a drone that features several armoured vehicles near a border checkpoint south of Belgorod. Additionally, BBC Verify has geolocated footage of helicopters operating in the region.
The footage is recent, but it is hard to say for certain from the videos what the exact sequence of events is.
Kyiv said those behind the ongoing incident were from groups called the Liberty of Russia Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps (RVC).
The Liberty of Russia Legion - a Ukraine-based Russian militia which says it is working inside Russia to overthrow President Putin - said on Twitter on Monday it had "completely liberated" the border town of Kozinka. It said forward units had reached the town of Grayvoron, further east.

However Mr Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Russian news agencies that efforts were underway to eliminate the sabotage group, and said its purpose was to draw attention away from the eastern Ukrainian town of Bakhmut - which a Russian mercenary group claims to have taken control ofafter months of intense and bloody fighting.
"We perfectly understand the purpose of such sabotage - to divert attention from the Bakhmut direction, to minimise the political effect of the loss of Artemovsk [Bakhmut] by the Ukrainian side," he said.
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Kyiv says it still controls parts of the city.
Ukrainian presidential advisor Mikhaylo Podolyak said his country was watching events in Belgorod "with interest", but "has nothing to do with it".
"As you know, tanks are sold at any Russian military store, and underground guerrilla groups are composed of Russian citizens," he added.
Ukraine has previously denied responsibility for reported sabotage attacks on Russian territory.


The latest incident comes ahead of a widely expected counter offensive by Kyiv against invading Russian forces.
In April, Russia accidentally dropped a bomb on the city of Belgorod, which lies 40 km (25 miles) north of the border with Ukraine.
More than 3,000 people were evacuated from their homes after an undetonated explosive was found days later.
 
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Ukraine war: Russia battles armed group in border region

By James Gregory
BBC News

An armed group has crossed from Ukraine into Russia's Belgorod region and clashes there have injured a number of people, Russian authorities say.
Local governor Vyacheslav Gladkov said Russian forces were searching for "saboteurs", who he said had attacked Grayvoronsky district by the border.
Vladimir Putin's spokesman said the Russian president had been informed.
Ukraine denies responsibility and said Russian citizens from two paramilitary groups were behind the incursion.
Mr Gladkov said eight people had been hurt, including two people admitted to hospital after a village was shelled and three people who were hit by shrapnel in the town of Grayvoron.
Fighting had also damaged three houses and a local administrative building, and the situation remains "extremely tense", he said.

The governor said a "counter-terrorist operation" had been launched in the region, giving special powers to the authorities including on identity checks and communications surveillance.
BBC Verify has been analysing footage from the Belgorod region that emerged on social media on Monday.
So far, the team has located a video apparently filmed from a drone that features several armoured vehicles near a border checkpoint south of Belgorod. Additionally, BBC Verify has geolocated footage of helicopters operating in the region.
The footage is recent, but it is hard to say for certain from the videos what the exact sequence of events is.
Kyiv said those behind the ongoing incident were from groups called the Liberty of Russia Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps (RVC).
The Liberty of Russia Legion - a Ukraine-based Russian militia which says it is working inside Russia to overthrow President Putin - said on Twitter on Monday it had "completely liberated" the border town of Kozinka. It said forward units had reached the town of Grayvoron, further east.

However Mr Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Russian news agencies that efforts were underway to eliminate the sabotage group, and said its purpose was to draw attention away from the eastern Ukrainian town of Bakhmut - which a Russian mercenary group claims to have taken control ofafter months of intense and bloody fighting.
"We perfectly understand the purpose of such sabotage - to divert attention from the Bakhmut direction, to minimise the political effect of the loss of Artemovsk [Bakhmut] by the Ukrainian side," he said.
map

Kyiv says it still controls parts of the city.
Ukrainian presidential advisor Mikhaylo Podolyak said his country was watching events in Belgorod "with interest", but "has nothing to do with it".
"As you know, tanks are sold at any Russian military store, and underground guerrilla groups are composed of Russian citizens," he added.
Ukraine has previously denied responsibility for reported sabotage attacks on Russian territory.


The latest incident comes ahead of a widely expected counter offensive by Kyiv against invading Russian forces.
In April, Russia accidentally dropped a bomb on the city of Belgorod, which lies 40 km (25 miles) north of the border with Ukraine.
More than 3,000 people were evacuated from their homes after an undetonated explosive was found days later.
Seeing as the Russians destroyed many cities as Mariupal, it is time for the Ukrainians to turn their guns on Belgorod and Rostov on Don.
 

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Oily is right. Bordering on greasy. Maybe slimy.
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But as usual, slime&gas is just continuing to post Tucker Calson-esque 'questions' or hyotheticals when in fact he is just trying to sow discord like a true Vatnik troll
This has always been his M.O. regardless of topic, you can't tell what he's for/against by reading only one post
without having read his other "questions" in different threads. His specialty is spreading FUD.
 

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This has always been his M.O. regardless of topic, you can't tell what he's for/against by reading only one post
without having read his other "questions" in different threads. His specialty is spreading FUD.

This dissemination of FUD is a classic Russian tactic. They work hard at undermining everyone and everything around them to try to make them weak, and therefore Russia gains relative strength.

It's one way that they have batted above their level. However, they have finally gone too far in believing their own propaganda and have now found themselves way over their head. I'm not sure if they even realize it... yet.
 
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Well it's a real change of heart for you addy but I am impressed. Nice to see you celebrate the good work on the part of the Americans for fucking Russia in the ass, just like they warned Russia they would!

Finally moved those dumb Europeans to buy their gas from some nice gentlemen in the Middle East!
 

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Maybe we are being too hard on the Russians. I mean what could they reasonably be expected to do in 7 months.




Quite a lot apparently.

I kinda wondered why the Ukrainians were not making a better effort to hold the city and secure the flanks, and the minimal attempts to take back city clay. However by giving up bits and peaces and making the city look takeable, they managed to convince the Russians to keep trying for 7 months... 7 months of not going around the city but trying to drive right through it... a city... urban warfare. Like the Russians didn't learn from a thing about Stalingrad and Leningrad that a city still in supply is a hard and costly nut to crack [unless you decide to also go on the offensive natch]
Hook line and sucker... pun intended.
 
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If Trudeau can pay Omar Khadr
$10.5 million can one embark on a trip to Russia to show his support to Putin?
Canada violated Omar's fundamental rights, and as a direct result he was locked in a cell without trial from ages 15-25 and tortured. You don't think stealing half a man's teenage years and half of his twenties to torture him are with $10.5 million? What would those years of your life be worth to you if you lost them?
 
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