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[frankcastle]

That's what allot of people think. That Hardy is super strong or he is so flexible that armbars don't work on him.lol BS
The fact is that if an armbar is applied properly by even a white belt once he/she applies pressure YOU WILL TAP I don't care who you are. You don't have a choice either you tap or POP. Don't believe me roll with even just a white stripe and see if you don't tap.
Now if a bjj blk belt gets you in it you're done. Watch Rhonda when she applies it and time how fast her opponent taps.

I sometimes roll with a blue belt friend of mine so I know what its like to be in allot of these holds and I'll tell you, its very, very painfull.

Like I said I don't know the intricacies of putting on an armbar...... so guess gsp was not able to cinch it in properly..... was that due to lack of skill or hardy not allowing it to be cinched in properly I can't say.

Maybe the other way to look at it is to say if his bjj is so bad why has he not been tapped out reguarly?

Point is the guys wrestling and striking and conditioning and speed is such that GSP is tough to beat. Is he the best at all aspects of MMA? Far from it..... he lacks KO power and his submission skills are suspect..... but that said he's good enough at the various elements to make him a formidable fighter. On top of that 7 straight title defenses is not the record that gets set by a guy with a glaring weakness..... otherwise someone would have exposed it.

I thought Condit was going to win as coming back from an ACL injury is tough.

 

[gladheateher]

The fix was in - this was all about hyping the so-called 'super fight' with Silva and a Condit win would have spoiled it. This was yet another tainted win for GSP who simply cant finish and needs to hang on in the later rounds so the judges can bail him out.

 

[wonkyknee]

The fix was in - this was all about hyping the so-called 'super fight' with Silva and a Condit win would have spoiled it. This was yet another tainted win for GSP who simply cant finish and needs to hang on in the later rounds so the judges can bail him out.

Really?? GSP won at least 4 of 5 rounds. We can criticize him for not submitting or knocking out opponents, but knock outs are like home runs...you tend to strike out a lot when you constantly go for home runs. GSP is the welterweight titleholder in batting average. He may not have knocked out Koschek or even BJ Penn, but boy were they both beat up badly.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

The fix was in - this was all about hyping the so-called 'super fight' with Silva and a Condit win would have spoiled it. This was yet another tainted win for GSP who simply cant finish and needs to hang on in the later rounds so the judges can bail him out.

You sound like a moron...

 

[dj1470]

The fix was in - this was all about hyping the so-called 'super fight' with Silva and a Condit win would have spoiled it. This was yet another tainted win for GSP who simply cant finish and needs to hang on in the later rounds so the judges can bail him out.

Haters gonna hate.

You sound like a moron...

Forget "sounds" he just "is" and all his posts prove it.

 

[suckme4ever]

Nah, can't agree with ya here. Tainted win? There is no shame in going the distance. Plus there is a saying in the UFC and in Boxing - Never put the decisions in the hands of judges.

First the 'super fight': Such a fight with GSP vs Silva, I don't believe will happen. The reach, the size, the weight.. it would be too much for George. The 'super fight' should be Silva Vs Jones. Its makes more sense and JJ atleast has a chance.

Second the GSP - Condit fight: How could you not be impressed? Jesus GSP has had 18 months off, and just went 5rds with one of the best in the division. So George went to the ground a lot, he is a fantastic grappler. KOS fights the exact way, shoots in with lightning speed, and forms a human blanket. For that people praise Kos. This is MMA, not boxing, so don't expect every fighter to finish like Hendricks.

Third is 'the fix' - Now this I will agree on. Not in this fight, but in others. Couple examples
1) Nick Diaz-Carlos Condit - I felt Nick won that fight, was picking apart Condit, and he should have fought GSP last Sat.
2) Sonnen-Bisping - I like Chael, but he did not win that fight, nor earn a 2nd shot at Silva. I was turned right off by that call. I know Clay Guida has been ripped off in fights too.

Moving onto GSP against Nick Diaz in the Spring would be good. Nick has incredible ground, and super reach. Hendricks would also be fun, and could be another Serra KO.

Your beautiful and intelligent. I agree on every thing you said.

 

[babemagnet]

GSP has been called the most boring fighter in the UFC, which might be true in a way, but he made Condit look skinny and under developed. Usually not a disadvantage for fighters. Too much muscle can drag you down. However GSP looks like a product of research labs for human development. He simply out muscles his opponents.

 

[Smash]

OMFG Hot and you appreciate the Martial Arts!

Majorly turned on Babe!

I know. If she could throw a football I want to marry her.lol :hail:

 

[wonkyknee]

Hey Kathleen, sounds like some guys here might even want to see you for "strap on service". LOL>

 

[blaze69]

Some very valid points there but I think you might want to re-watch these fights before you cement your opinions. It sometimes helps to re-watch fights sober, alone and without the commentary. You wouldn't believe how many times I hear people just cut and pasting Joe Rogan's opinions as their own.

 

[dj1470]

. You wouldn't believe how many times I hear people just cut and pasting Joe Rogan's opinions as their own.

That would mean you actually listen to what Rogan says. Most don't. He's a comic book character. I prefer when the UFC has Randy Couture or Kenny Florian as the analyst. More substance less nonsense.

 

[The Oracle]

That would mean you actually listen to what Rogan says. Most don't. He's a comic book character. I prefer when the UFC has Randy Couture or Kenny Florian as the analyst. More substance less

nonsense.

I find Rogan very entertaining and generally enjoy his work.

Florian sits on the fence too much for me.

Pat Miletch and Bas are the two best MMA colour guys if you ask me. Sadly I don't believe we will ever see them on a UFC broadcast.

 

[blaze69]

I find Rogan very entertaining and generally enjoy his work.

Florian sits on the fence too much for me.

Pat Miletch and Bas are the two best MMA colour guys if you ask me. Sadly I don't believe we will ever see them on a UFC broadcast.

If Bas was British instead of Dutch, he would be commentating for the ufc. I like Rogan, but the guy I hate is that Jon Anik from the ESPN/Fox broadcasts.

 

[frankcastle]

I can't fault GSP for going to decision. He's a conservative fighter. To do what he does takes.....

1) skill..... you need to show that you are the better fighter for the majority of the match rather than the instant a KO or sub presents itself

2) conditioning.... there are some guys whose matches don't go much longer than one round (Shane Carwin).... for SOME of those guys I wonder if they have the gas to go 5 rounds.

3) mental toughness.... you're hurt, tired and under pressure for 25 minutes you have to not make mistakes or be ready to correct your mistakes.... people think shooting a free throw is easy.... try it with thousands of people yelling and the pressure you impose on yourself.

And to look at it another way. GSP style is no secret. He likes to jab to keep you at bay and look for takedowns. It's well known that his fights go to decision. It's certainly easy enough to plan to fight against a guy with a well known style. BUT it's hard to execute the plan if the other guy is talented.

 

[frankcastle]

I agree with the judges that GSP was the better fighter for most of the match.

GSP controlled the centre of the ring more, had more takedowns, landed more strikes, and did more damage to Condit over the course of the 5 rounds.

That said for the haters of GSP why are we not hearing about Condit's poor finishing skills? After that kick he failed to capitalize. That was probably Condit's beset chance to win and he blew it. Much like GSP failing to tap out hardy.

 

[frankcastle]

And yes. Kathleen's mind is her sexiest quality which is not to say the rest of her sex appeal is anything but top notch.

I'd prefer the strap on stay in the closet though.....

 

[Smash]

That said for the haters of GSP why are we not hearing about Condit's poor finishing skills? After that kick he failed to capitalize. That was probably Condit's beset chance to win and he blew it. Much like GSP failing to tap out hardy.

I agree Condit had his chance and couldn't finish. I don't think anyone would argue that. That's what happened. There was no "fix in" Condit had his chance but didn't get the job done. GSP was on queer street and done but Carlos didn't finish him off. I'm not a Condit fan, he looks too awkward how he moves and strikes. I think he's pretty good off his back tho, he was trying to make things happen but yet again GSP was the bigger stronger welterweight with superior wrestling skillz. If he wants to hold any WW down for 5 rds he could...and does....every fight

 

[Smash]

I would like to see Hendricks or Diaz fight GSP next. Should be interesting, I've never seen JH wrestle so I don't know how he would fair. I know he's a wrestler tho. GSP isn't gunna want to stand with him so he will shoot, take him down and dry hump him for the UD. Just copy and paste and that's the strategy for his next 8 fights.

I doubt GSP will even want to throw a jab cause JH looks like he covers ground very, very fast then BOOM. This dude does not want no UD. He's out to knock your head clean off. I would pay to watch him fight.

I want to see Diaz fight either one.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

First the 'super fight': Such a fight with GSP vs Silva, I don't believe will happen. The reach, the size, the weight.. it would be too much for George. The 'super fight' should be Silva Vs Jones. Its makes more sense and JJ atleast has a chance.

Agreed. The only way it would even be reasonably fair is if they fought at 177 (Silva fought at 175 in 2006) and then capped the walk-in weight at 190.

Does anyone think Silva wouldn't have finished GSP if he caught him with the head kick like Condit did in the 3rd? I'm pretty sure he would have picked GSP apart and won via (T)KO within 20 seconds of landing the kick.

Second the GSP - Condit fight: How could you not be impressed? Jesus GSP has had 18 months off, and just went 5rds with one of the best in the division. So George went to the ground a lot, he is a fantastic grappler. KOS fights the exact way, shoots in with lightning speed, and forms a human blanket. For that people praise Kos. This is MMA, not boxing, so don't expect every fighter to finish like Hendricks.

Totally agree. GSP did what he needed to do to win after the long layoff and when all of the pressure was on him. As always, why does no one seem to ask why Condit (or any of the other challengers) can't stop the takedown, get up, sub or otherwise hurt GSP? St. Pierre controls where the fight is and imposes his will on his opponent - and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

I know what you're saying, but KOS is not even close to GSP - and few people praise him... fact is, he's given credit simply because he had NO striking skills before and during TUF1, so his improvement is noteworthy, I suppose.

Third is 'the fix' - Now this I will agree on. Not in this fight, but in others. Couple examples
1) Nick Diaz-Carlos Condit - I felt Nick won that fight, was picking apart Condit, and he should have fought GSP last Sat.
2) Sonnen-Bisping - I like Chael, but he did not win that fight, nor earn a 2nd shot at Silva. I was turned right off by that call. I know Clay Guida has been ripped off in fights too.

Sorry, can't agree with you here. Neither does Fight Metric. The fights were close, but hardly "robberies" and definitely not "fixes."

Diaz-Condit:
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/02/condit-vs-diaz-official-ufc-statistics.html#more

Condit controlled the distance, moved and struck and was barely touched by Diaz, whose only plan was to move straight ahead and throw punches in bunches. When CC sidestepped, Nick D didn't have a backup plan - that was his undoing and why he lost. Condit controlled the angles and the fight, even if Diaz was the one moving forward.

Sonnen-Bisping:
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/01/sonnen-vs-bisping-official-ufc.html#more

Sonnen didn't look dominant, but Bisping is actually kinda underrated. Sonnen landed more strikes and still took Bisping down multiple times. Close, but not a travesty...

Clay Guida - which fight(s) was he robbed in?
http://blog.fightmetric.com/search/label/Guida . Clay
http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fighters/details/459

Moving onto GSP against Nick Diaz in the Spring would be good. Nick has incredible ground, and super reach. Hendricks would also be fun, and could be another Serra KO.

I think Diaz should have to earn a title shot. Some might say Hendricks has earned a shot. Diaz vs. Hendricks in a #1 contender eliminator in early 2013? (since Hendricks' fight lasted all of 46 seconds) Also gives GSP time to rest and heal up and decide if he wants to go on the Silva suicide mission...

 

[Smash]

Agreed. The only way it would even be reasonably fair is if they fought at 177 (Silva fought at 175 in 2006) and then capped the walk-in weight at 190.

That's what Anderson wants 177 lb but Georges isn't going for it.
Silva wants GSP and then JJ.
I knew he wasn't scared to fight JJ. He just wanted enuff cash. A true warrior wanting to test himself against the best p4p.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/mma...erfight--now-open-to-taking-on-jon-jones.html
"When he arrived and stepped behind a podium, he said, "I'm the new Dana White, Dana Black." lol