You really are too funny. At least you are always count ion you for my daily laugh.
You really are a pathetic clown and in the eyes of at least groggy a very sick puppy.
Turkey Identifies 174 Israeli Soldiers Implicated in Mavis Marmara Massacre
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You really are a pathetic clown and in the eyes of at least groggy a very sick puppy.
It is obvious that you have never been to Israel. Well I have been several times and i have friends there who are Arab and Palestinian and their lives belie everything you say. A good friend of mine who is Palestinian teaches at a university there an an acquaintance is a radiologist in a hospital. I am sure they would both be surprised to learn that they don't have the rights you have listed. In particular my friend the teacher at whose home i have been on a number of occasions would be surprised to learn that he does not have property rights.Except for religious freedom. Israel's religious freedom is on par with Somalia.
Except for discrimination. Most Israeli Arab's believe they are discriminated against.
Except for freedom of speech. They can't talk about Nabka or the BDS movement.
Except for property rights. There are a number of laws and rules that lessen their property rights.
And the big exception, except anyone in the occupied territories.
Instead of just spouting the party line of you and you fellow haters why not make some attempt to find out what life is really like.
You truly are a pathetic clown although I agree with your assessment of your friend gryf as a very sick puppy.
The West Bank is administered by the PA.That only works if you ignore the lands occupied and run by Israel for the last 40 odd years.
Then, they have the moral standing of South Africa or worse.
What? The West Bank is not occupied! When did this happen????The West Bank is administered by the PA.
Bullshit. Israel is one of the few countries in the world that offers Arabs the opportunity to live under Sharia law. That's greater religious freedom than they have in Canada!Except for religious freedom. Israel's religious freedom is on par with Somalia.
You just look so stupid when you say these retarded things.
They should try living in an Arab country where they would REALLY face discrimination--against Arabs.Except for discrimination. Most Israeli Arab's believe they are discriminated against.
They can talk about it all they want. Just don't expect to get funding from the Israel government if you want to talk about destroying the Israel government. Duh.Except for freedom of speech. They can't talk about Nabka or the BDS movement.
False. You are misrepresenting the land trust companies that are private entities with privately held funds.Except for property rights. There are a number of laws and rules that lessen their property rights.
Correct solution there is for them to stop their losing 60 year war against Israel and form a state that is at peace with their neighbours. Then they wouldn't need to be occupied territories.And the big exception, except anyone in the occupied territories.
Ernst Zundel/Fuji,Bullshit. Israel is one of the few countries in the world that offers Arabs the opportunity to live under Sharia law. That's greater religious freedom than they have in Canada!
You just look so stupid when you say these retarded things.
They should try living in an Arab country where they would REALLY face discrimination--against Arabs.
They can talk about it all they want. Just don't expect to get funding from the Israel government if you want to talk about destroying the Israel government. Duh.
False. You are misrepresenting the land trust companies that are private entities with privately held funds.
Correct solution there is for them to stop their losing 60 year war against Israel and form a state that is at peace with their neighbours. Then they wouldn't need to be occupied territories.
You are obviously channeling other fellow racists. This is a common refrain. Here's Gen. Robert E. Lee from the Old South commenting on Blacks in the US:
Robert E. Lee wrote in 1856:
There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery..._United_States
In Canada we don't have mobs yelling 'death to arab's' and burning Mosques. That's why the freedom of religion ranking for Israel is about the same as Somalia and Afghanistan.Bullshit. Israel is one of the few countries in the world that offers Arabs the opportunity to live under Sharia law. That's greater religious freedom than they have in Canada!
Ah, trying to get them to leave? Ethnic cleansing as a rights movement?They should try living in an Arab country where they would REALLY face discrimination--against Arabs.
Nice one.
Historical revisionism is another form of discrimination. Trying to legislate people from history is not freedom.They can talk about it all they want. Just don't expect to get funding from the Israel government if you want to talk about destroying the Israel government. Duh.
Same difference if you're trying to buy land, its the government that sets the rules.False. You are misrepresenting the land trust companies that are private entities with privately held funds.
That's worked really well for the West Bank, hasn't it. They just sit and watch the apartheid roads get built, the walls get bigger and their orchards burned and their slices of land get smaller.Correct solution there is for them to stop their losing 60 year war against Israel and form a state that is at peace with their neighbours. Then they wouldn't need to be occupied territories.
Any country that has pretenses of morality would have 1.5 million people trapped in the world's largest open air prison and be in the process of building an apartheid state. Any arguments you make fail in context.
Except for bullshit on all counts except that Israeli Arabs do feel they face discrimination. Of course so do Canadian Blacks so I don't really know what the point is except hate.Except for religious freedom...
On the first, Israel has handed control of Judaism's holiest site to and Islamic group.
On the third, the law has not passed and has nothing to do with free speech but funding for government agencies that use that money to attack (thankfully propaganda, not violence) Israel.
On the fourth, Israelis Arabs actually own a disproportionately high percent of private land in Israel. Arabs are 20% of the Israeli population but own about 50% of the private land.
Just as a contrast, the PA has sentenced somewhere around 200 Palestinians to death for selling land to Jews (plus quite a number of summary executions in the streets for just the accusation)
For a guy who keeps demanding 'proof' to not bother checking facts......
Same difference if you're trying to buy land, its the government that sets the rules.
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6.5% of Israel is private owned land. Arabs own about half of that and there are absolutely no restrictions on sales of private land. Hamas leader Haniyeh can legally buy Israeli private land as can you (if the owner is willing to sell).
79.5% of the land is government owned and only leased out. Any citizen (including Arabs) can equally lease that land for short terms or long terms.
14% is owned by a private organization (the JNF) and they offer short term leases (often renewed indefinitely) to any citizen but as a private organization choose to give long term leases to Jews. Yes this is discrimination but they are not the government - save your blame for the JNF.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_israel_land.php
In Canada we're not surrounded on all sides by countries hell bent on our annihilation. I don't think you comprehend the stresses that puts on people. So yes, you get a few wackos.In Canada we don't have mobs yelling 'death to arab's' and burning Mosques.
On the other hand the Government of Israel extends more religious freedoms to Arabs than Canada does, and Arabs have more rights in Israel--both in legal and in practical terms--than in any other country in the Middle East.
Since you are disparaging my comment that the Palestinians try peace, I take it you are a full supporter of Palestinian terrorist violence against Israel.That's worked really well for the West Bank, hasn't it.
As an aside, see how quickly this idiotically false (hit?) list of soldiers has disappeared?
I guess even the Turkish government knows how ridiculous that list was. Erdogan seems to have taken speaking lessons from Ahmadinejad.
I guess even the Turkish government knows how ridiculous that list was. Erdogan seems to have taken speaking lessons from Ahmadinejad.
You are too funny. you might wish to mention to President Abbas or Prime Minister Fayyad that they do not administer the West Bank. You never fail to deliver a chuckle.What? The West Bank is not occupied! When did this happen????
You are a pathetic clown and as your friend grog says a very sick puppy.
No, you are just too stupid or too busy trying to twist meaning.Since you are disparaging my comment that the Palestinians try peace, I take it you are a full supporter of Palestinian terrorist violence against Israel.
The West Bank has, for a good number of years now, ceased large scale violence against Israel. In response they have now less land, more apartheid roads, more walls and less chance of peace now then since the Oslo accords. What I'm suggesting is that Israel is not an honest partner for peace, as has been proven by the Palestine papers.
And I am to take it that you are in support of taking Palestinian lands in contravention to the Geneva conventions.
Not this tired old argument again.The West Bank also has a booming economy and tremendous economic growth, even at a time when the rest of the world is struggling under a financial crisis.
Meanwhile Gaza remains a war torn shit hole.
Here's an opinion from the IMF on the matter:
and the opinion from Haaretz:Under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel has made clear that it wants to help create a big gap between the economies of Gaza and the West Bank, depriving Gaza of anything much above sustenance and helping the West Bank prosper. The goal is to drive home to Palestinians that they should favor the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority over Hamas in future elections.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/mess-report-west-bank-economic-boom-not-yet-1.284114The bottom line is improvement, yes, "economic boom," as Netanyahu phrased it, no. The World Bank says it will happen only if Israel would allow Palestinains access to C areas, East Jerusalem and relax restrictions on the export of goods to Israel and abroad.
So Netanyahu has been trying to play Hamas against Fatah again and offers some support to the West Bank. But tremendous economic growth? Nope, sure its better, but it was really crappy before and now its down to very crappy. Nice try.
As said, the West Bank has not gained significantly since becoming more peaceful, what they've got is less land, more apartheid roads and no negotiations.
When faced with 18 sets of facts destroying his points, grog feels good about picking out the one that he thinks he can argue about.
No I didn't.West Bank GDP growth is 8-9% right now. That is a tremendous rate of growth. Sorry Groggy but it looks like you get beaten up by the facts yet again...
Starve a country for 30 years and any growth will look tremendous in comparison.
I stand by the IMF's opinion on the matter.
Two things:
1. GDP growth of 8-9% is good by any standard, and
2. Your so called IMF quote is from an editorial in the NYT and not from the IMF
That editorial mentioned an IMF report, but that was the opinion of the editorial writer, and not the opinion of the IMF that you quoted. All IMF said was that continued growth in the West Bank would require both Israel and Arab states to continue easing restrictions.
You are, as usual, a lying sack of shit. No wonder you didn't give the source of your quote, fortunately we can find it via Google and see your lies.
1. GDP growth of 8-9% is good by any standard, and
2. Your so called IMF quote is from an editorial in the NYT and not from the IMF
That editorial mentioned an IMF report, but that was the opinion of the editorial writer, and not the opinion of the IMF that you quoted. All IMF said was that continued growth in the West Bank would require both Israel and Arab states to continue easing restrictions.
You are, as usual, a lying sack of shit. No wonder you didn't give the source of your quote, fortunately we can find it via Google and see your lies.
Here you go, Fuji, this ought to shut your trap for a few minutes.
Now, onto more interesting matters.
You just posted this, about US assassinations:
Why don't you hold Israel to the same rules as the US?
Why do you put Israel above the law?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/un-agency-report-shows-west-bank-economy-not-flourishing-1.366647Research by the United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees challenges the picture of a flourishing West Bank economy freed up by a relaxation of Israel's military presence, the agency said on Wednesday.
The report by the agency UNRWA shows that unemployment in the second half of 2010 grew much faster than employment, and average purchasing power continued to decline.
Now, onto more interesting matters.
You just posted this, about US assassinations:
These are strikingly similar to the same arguments put forth by Goldstone in his report.Most importantly, his "operational role" has not been explained. When asked point blank about that, a US official told the BBC that his "operational role" was recruiting activities. In other words, there still is not even a CLAIM that he was involved in actual planning or execution of any terrorist attacks. They're simply stretching the phrase "operational role" to include activities that nobody would consider to be a clear or immediate threat. It may be they think his role has "evolved" simply because his publishing activities generated a stream of recruits, and he connected those people with others who engaged them in planning.
Secondly, this is the same group of "lawyers" who approved of waterboarding and extra-judicial rendition. These guys have a track record of issuing morally bankrupt pronouncements that stretch the imagination to call something legal that any decent person would reject as simply immoral, regardless of legality. No doubt this is the same group that once upon a time signed off on the execution of American journalists in Chile.
Thirdly, the prohibition on assassination is exactly a prohibition on targeting "an enemy leader who is in the business of attacking the United States whenever possible", when that person is a political leader, with no particular military role, as appears to be true of al Awlaki. In order to justify that, despite the order against it, this group of suspect lawyers has had to redefine "war" so that it has no geographical boundaries and no conflict area, and redefine "operational role" to mean anything that contributes in any way to the organization supposedly engaged in this war.
Why don't you hold Israel to the same rules as the US?
Why do you put Israel above the law?
