No, no, Ernst Zundel/Fuji...where is the link to the modified Goldstone Report? That's all you were asked for. Not the usual tap dance. An actual link that says it has been modified the way you said it has.
Or does no such modified report exist?
Turkey Identifies 174 Israeli Soldiers Implicated in Mavis Marmara Massacre
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Or does no such modified report exist?
Keep going Gryfin, keep trying to convince yourself that a report's own author repudiating it can be ignored. You are the biggest fool I have ever met.
Did Moamar and his buddies at UN HRC listen to the repudiation? No, for the same hate fueled reasons you don't. Reality doesn't matter to you. It makes no difference that Israel was exonerated of any wrong doing. You want to cling to outdated, obsolete reports that have been repudiated by their own author because it allows you to continue the hate fueled fantasy that Israel committed some sort of crime.
Hey... where's that referal to the ICC? Why hasn't Israel been charged? When Goldstone came out you kept promising that it was coming. Well where is it?
Whoops. We both know why: No crimes were committed. Everybody knows that, Goldstone has said so. That is why you see no action there.
Did Moamar and his buddies at UN HRC listen to the repudiation? No, for the same hate fueled reasons you don't. Reality doesn't matter to you. It makes no difference that Israel was exonerated of any wrong doing. You want to cling to outdated, obsolete reports that have been repudiated by their own author because it allows you to continue the hate fueled fantasy that Israel committed some sort of crime.
Hey... where's that referal to the ICC? Why hasn't Israel been charged? When Goldstone came out you kept promising that it was coming. Well where is it?
Whoops. We both know why: No crimes were committed. Everybody knows that, Goldstone has said so. That is why you see no action there.
Impatient aren't you.Hey... where's that referal to the ICC? Why hasn't Israel been charged? When Goldstone came out you kept promising that it was coming. Well where is it?
Abbas sucked up to the US and held off from pushing for charges from the Goldstone report, stupid move by him.
Check the Palestine papers for confirmation.
But you will still have to wait a while for the IJC charges from Turkey to happen.
Proper courts take a bit of time, eh?
And still haven't found any evidence that the Goldstone report has been retracted, Fuji?
You should just give up.
isn't it exactly what it is though?You guys are amazing, George Orwell would be proud of you. Nato is a defensive alliance except when the US decides to invade a country.
Goldstone has asserted that Israel did not commit any crimes. Good luck going to the ICC with a report whose own author says Israel's exonerated.And still haven't found any evidence that the Goldstone report has been retracted, Fuji?
Keep going Gryfin, keep trying to convince yourself that a report's own author repudiating it can be ignored. You are the biggest fool I have ever met.
Did Moamar and his buddies at UN HRC listen to the repudiation? No, for the same hate fueled reasons you don't. Reality doesn't matter to you. It makes no difference that Israel was exonerated of any wrong doing. You want to cling to outdated, obsolete reports that have been repudiated by their own author because it allows you to continue the hate fueled fantasy that Israel committed some sort of crime.
Hey... where's that referal to the ICC? Why hasn't Israel been charged? When Goldstone came out you kept promising that it was coming. Well where is it?
Whoops. We both know why: No crimes were committed. Everybody knows that, Goldstone has said so. That is why you see no action there.
Ernst Zundel/Fuji....if there is any truth to what you are saying, then you should be able to easily provide us with a link to the modified Goldstone Report.
I can't make it any easier for you.
Impatient aren't you.
Abbas sucked up to the US and held off from pushing for charges from the Goldstone report, stupid move by him.
Check the Palestine papers for confirmation.
But you will still have to wait a while for the IJC charges from Turkey to happen.
Proper courts take a bit of time, eh?
The Turkish government has criticized French President Nicolas Sarkozy for saying Ankara should recognize the deaths of Armenians under Turkish rule nearly 100 years ago as genocide.
Turkish European Affairs Minister Egemen Bagis was quoted by state media Friday as saying Mr. Sarkozy's comments were inappropriate. He said it is "not the duty of politicians to deal with history."
The French president, who has been on a visit to Armenia, said all great countries — including Turkey — do the honorable thing by revisiting their history. He also said the French parliament could consider making genocide denial a crime in France, just like denying the Nazi Holocaust of Jews.
In a reference to France, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said Friday that any state with a colonial history did not have the right to "give a lesson to Turkey on confronting its history." Davutoglu said it would be beneficial if France confronts its own past — particularly with African nations.
Armenia says as many as 1.5 million Armenians were murdered by Ottoman Turks before and during World War I and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Turkey denies this. It calls the death toll exaggerated and says the dead were victims of civil war and unrest. Turkey says any country recognizing an Armenian genocide faces a downgrade in relations.
This is the country you look to for the moral high ground. You are just a mindless revisionist without a moral compass.
At the time of the flawed report its bias and errors were pointed out to you in detail. You played dumb and said you thought Goldstone had more credibility. You were willing to gloss over severe errors in reasoning based on his credibility, which you extolled.Ernst Zundel/Fuji....if there is any truth to what you are saying, then you should be able to easily provide us with a link to the modified Goldstone Report.
I can't make it any easier for you.
Now as Goldstone himself has brought the same criticism, exonerating Israel of wrong doing, why don't you extol his credibility now?
Seems to me you have no reasons for the things you think. You say whatever furthers your hate, without regard to fact or logic.
Ernst Zundel/Fuji....put up or shut up. Provide the link to the modified Goldstone Report where this is stated.At the time of the flawed report its bias and errors were pointed out to you in detail. You played dumb and said you thought Goldstone had more credibility. You were willing to gloss over severe errors in reasoning based on his credibility, which you extolled.
Now as Goldstone himself has brought the same criticism, exonerating Israel of wrong doing, why don't you extol his credibility now?
Seems to me you have no reasons for the things you think. You say whatever furthers your hate, without regard to fact or logic.
Nobody can make this any easier for you. No need for any more speeches. Just post the link to the modified Goldstone Report.
Nobody can make this any clearer for you, you hate spewing moron: the report is thoroughly discredited, even its own author had repudiated it.
You and the UNHRC discredit yourselves by clinging to failure. If you were an honest or even intelligent person you would acknowledge that.
But you're not. You are utterly pathetic.
You and the UNHRC discredit yourselves by clinging to failure. If you were an honest or even intelligent person you would acknowledge that.
But you're not. You are utterly pathetic.
Utterly pathetic is a person who calls one out of 4 authors letter about one out of many charges enough to discredit an entire report that is still supported by the UN.Nobody can make this any clearer for you, you hate spewing moron: the report is thoroughly discredited, even its own author had repudiated it.
You and the UNHRC discredit yourselves by clinging to failure. If you were an honest or even intelligent person you would acknowledge that.
But you're not. You are utterly pathetic.
It just seems to take so much more moral squirming from you these days, Fuji, to keep yourself from admitting that Israel has also committed human rights violations and war crimes.
Deep down you must know you've lost the entire debate over Israel and Palestine. There is no other explanation for why you would cling so desperately to a discredited report. If you felt a little more secure in your views you could admit basic, common sense things like "yeah, the report's author repudiating it means that particular report probably doesn't hold water".
But no, despite the report having been eviscerated completely, by its own author no less, you still cling to it. Pathetic and desperate.
But no, despite the report having been eviscerated completely, by its own author no less, you still cling to it. Pathetic and desperate.
The report is only one of many, but typifies your arguments.Deep down you must know you've lost the entire debate over Israel and Palestine. There is no other explanation for why you would cling so desperately to a discredited report. If you felt a little more secure in your views you could admit basic, common sense things like "yeah, the report's author repudiating it means that particular report probably doesn't hold water".
But no, despite the report having been eviscerated completely, by its own author no less, you still cling to it. Pathetic and desperate.
If the report shows any wrongdoing by Israel you either spend inordinate amounts of time trying to show that it doesn't count (Goldstone) or just ignoring (HRW, Amnesty).
But the point is its all part and parcel of your blinded ideology that Israel cannot ever be wrong. So all this work is to avoid having to actually debate the charges, you'll repeat this letter business at every opportunity rather then talk about proportional violence, chemical weapons, human shields, biased judicial system or any of the other charges placed against Israel.
So, why don't we call a small truce on this matter. I'll accept that Goldstone (though not any of the three other authors) now believes that Israel did not intentionally target civilians (which was the only charge he discussed in his letter) if you'll accept that Israel could be guilty of, and possibly should stand trial to prove, that they used chemical weapons, human shields and the host of other charges detailed in his report. Sound fair?
Then we can get on to other matters, such as Amnesty calling the Israeli judicial treatment of Palestinians 'unfair'.
Did they or didn't they?As for chemical weapons what are you talking about? White phospherous? You do know that Israel already investigated that, and wound up disciplining some soldiers as a result?
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/idf-denies-disciplining-top-officers-over-white-phosphorous-use-in-gaza-war-1.265855
OK...how many chances have you been given now...10 - 20 -50?Nobody can make this any clearer for you, you hate spewing moron: the report is thoroughly discredited, even its own author had repudiated it.
You and the UNHRC discredit yourselves by clinging to failure. If you were an honest or even intelligent person you would acknowledge that.
But you're not. You are utterly pathetic.
We are all waiting for you to show me up. Here's your great opportunity!
Take it, don't be a snivelling coward, Ernst Zundel/Fuji
Be a man for once in your life.
Provide us with the link to the modified Goldstone Report.
Nobody cares about the Goldstone Report. It's been discredited. By its own author no less, no crawl back into your hole and hate yourself to sleep.OK...how many chances have you been given now...10 - 20 -50?
We are all waiting for you to show me up. Here's your great opportunity!
Take it, don't be a snivelling coward, Ernst Zundel/Fuji
Be a man for once in your life.
Provide us with the link to the modified Goldstone Report.
Giving up, finally?Nobody cares about the Goldstone Report. It's been discredited. By its own author no less, no crawl back into your hole and hate yourself to sleep.
Excellent.
Now we can talk about why you are ok with Israel committing war crimes but not Hamas.
I am not OK with Israel committing war crimes. Fortunately it doesn't happen.
I am not OK with Hamas committing war crimes. Unfortunately it happens a lot.
Right now in Gaza they are celebrating the return of their "heroes" -- like people who put bombs in pizza restaurants and killed children. National Palestinian heroes...
I am not OK with Hamas committing war crimes. Unfortunately it happens a lot.
Right now in Gaza they are celebrating the return of their "heroes" -- like people who put bombs in pizza restaurants and killed children. National Palestinian heroes...
I am not OK with Israel committing war crimes. Fortunately it doesn't happen.
I am not OK with Hamas committing war crimes. Unfortunately it happens a lot.
Ok, ostrich.
For Goldstone, you ignore a tonne of accusations because of one letter and one accusation retracted.
For Amensty, you just ignore them.
For HRW, you just ignore them.
For B'teselem, you just ignore them.
And of course the UN, can't forget how you ignore all UN resolutions and reports. Its really quite amazing how you can make these statements despite nearly daily examples of war crimes. Even the blockade, which has been called a crime against humanity, you support. Is it so bad that even one crime would end your feelings of (moral) superiority?
