Prove that the Taliban knew specifically about 9/11, as you just claimed, or admit you are making shit up.
Turkey Identifies 174 Israeli Soldiers Implicated in Mavis Marmara Massacre
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for a start,Prove that the Taliban knew specifically about 9/11, as you just claimed, or admit you are making shit up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda#Refuge_in_AfghanistanAfter the Sudanese made it clear, in May 1996, that bin Laden would never be welcome to return,[clarification needed] Taliban-controlled Afghanistan—with previously established connections between the groups, administered with a shared militancy,[100] and largely isolated from American political influence and military power—provided a perfect location for al-Qaeda to relocate its headquarters. Al-Qaeda enjoyed the Taliban's protection and a measure of legitimacy as part of their Ministry of Defense, although only Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates recognized the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan.
While in Afghanistan, the Taliban government tasked al-Qaeda with the training of Brigade 055, an elite part of the Taliban's army from 1997–2001. The Brigade was made up of mostly foreign fighters, many veterans from the Soviet Invasion, and all under the same basic ideology of the mujahideen. In November 2001, as Operation Enduring Freedom had toppled the Taliban government, many Brigade 055 fighters were captured or killed, and those that survived were thought to head into Pakistan along with bin Laden.[101]
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101011105-181591,00.html
I did not claim they knew specifically about 9/11, your inability to read and comprehend English is staggering.Prove that the Taliban knew specifically about 9/11, as you just claimed, or admit you are making shit up.
The Taliban knew that Al Qaeda had attacked the United States (USS Cole, embassy bombings) and that it was planning further attacks on the United States (AQ repeatedly said so) and that after AQ took responsibility for the 9/11 attack the Taliban still refused to help bring them to justice.
Your inability to understand that terrorist attacks are a justification for military action is unsurprising, given your unwavering support for Palestinian terrorists.
And here's the point that you don't understand.I did not claim they knew specifically about 9/11, your inability to read and comprehend English is staggering.
The Taliban knew that Al Qaeda had attacked the United States (USS Cole, embassy bombings) and that it was planning further attacks on the United States (AQ repeatedly said so) and that after AQ took responsibility for the 9/11 attack the Taliban still refused to help bring them to justice.
Your inability to understand that terrorist attacks are a justification for military action is unsurprising, given your unwavering support for Palestinian terrorists.
The war was illegal, the US was not justified in attacking a country just for harbouring terrorists.
You cannot legally attack a state for actions caused by non-state actors.
You cannot therefore call the war a defensive war, if its whole basis was illegal.
It has been widely reported, that the Afghanistan government offered to arrest Bin Laden and turn him over to the US, as soon as the US provided evidence, that Bin Laden was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. One would think that was a reasonable response from one government to another, and even more so given the fact that a sizable percentage of americans even today have doubts about his involvement.I did not claim they knew specifically about 9/11, your inability to read and comprehend English is staggering.
The Taliban knew that Al Qaeda had attacked the United States (USS Cole, embassy bombings) and that it was planning further attacks on the United States (AQ repeatedly said so) and that after AQ took responsibility for the 9/11 attack the Taliban still refused to help bring them to justice.
Really. What piece of international law says you cannot attack a country for the actions of non-state actors within it?And here's the point that you don't understand.
The war was illegal, the US was not justified in attacking a country just for harbouring terrorists.
You cannot legally attack a state for actions caused by non-state actors.
You cannot therefore call the war a defensive war, if its whole basis was illegal.
I think you have plain old made this up.
If you like, I can come back tomorrow and cite multiple standard texts on international law that disagree with you.
Widely reported? Got a credible source for that claim. I have never seen one.It has been widely reported, that the Afghanistan government offered to arrest Bin Laden and turn him over to the US, as soon as the US provided evidence, that Bin Laden was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. One would think that was a reasonable response from one government to another, and even more so given the fact that a sizable percentage of americans even today have doubts about his involvement.
Hogwash. Bin Laden himself was boasting about his responsibility every chance he got to make a statement about it. What further proof did they need?It has been widely reported, that the Afghanistan government offered to arrest Bin Laden and turn him over to the US, as soon as the US provided evidence, that Bin Laden was responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
Moreover by that time Al Qaeda had already attacked the USS Cole and had already bombed US Embassies. The attack on 9/11 was much more high profile, but it was not the first act of war against the United States by Al Qaeda.
Yes you can. You are just ignorant.The war was illegal, the US was not justified in attacking a country just for harbouring terrorists.
You cannot legally attack a state for actions caused by non-state actors.
Ok, I'll wait for that.Really. What piece of international law says you cannot attack a country for the actions of non-state actors within it?
I think you have plain old made this up.
If you like, I can come back tomorrow and cite multiple standard texts on international law that disagree with you.
Go, fetch.
Somebody has to do the intellectual heavy lifting since you are just a lazy, uniformed, hack.Ok, I'll wait for that.
Go, fetch.
Will you apologize, admit you are wrong, stfu and go away when I post the materials that show you invented fictional international law to support your incorrect position?
Actually I might not even have to wait, I may have posted some of it before on another thread.
As RLD posted: Got a credible source for that claim?It has been widely reported, that the Afghanistan government offered to arrest Bin Laden and turn him over to the US, as soon as the US provided evidence, that Bin Laden was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. One would think that was a reasonable response from one government to another, and even more so given the fact that a sizable percentage of americans even today have doubts about his involvement.
Further one would think that a videotaped confession released to your favorate media source al Jazeera would more than eliminate the need of "prove to us."
Such unbelievable nonsense. We are talking about the Taliban a group that carried out unspeakable horrors on its own people in the name of Islam. They knew full well that Bin Laden was plotting terror attacks while they systematically terrorized their own countrymen. It is one thing to stand against Israeli policies that you disagree with but to turn a blind eye to the worst sins of man diminishes you in the eyes of any rational being. Condemn Israel if you will but apply the same scrutiny to the worst of all mankind. If you would scream for justice then it must be for all not just those your myopic vision deem worthy.It has been widely reported, that the Afghanistan government offered to arrest Bin Laden and turn him over to the US, as soon as the US provided evidence, that Bin Laden was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. One would think that was a reasonable response from one government to another, and even more so given the fact that a sizable percentage of americans even today have doubts about his involvement.
US rejects Taliban bin Laden evidence callsWidely reported? Got a credible source for that claim. I have never seen one.
Updated: 17:41, Friday, 21 September 2001
The White House has rejected requests from Afghanistan's ruling Taliban for proof that Osama bin Laden was responsible for last week's attacks. According to the US Secretary of State, Colin Powell, the United States has enough evidence to try bin Laden in an American court.
The US Government said there would be no negotiations. It said that President Bush had made his conditions clear in a speech before Congress last night. Their position remains that there will be no discussions and no negotiations.
President Bush warned unless his demands were met, Afghanistan would share the same fate as the terrorists, and said that the hour was coming when America would take action.
He told Americans that they should expect a lengthy campaign against global terrorism in the wake of last week's strikes on New York and Washington and he called on the US military to be prepared.
Afghanistan's ruling Taliban party insisted that America must produce firm evidence that bin Laden was behind the attacks, or they would not hand him over.
The Taliban ambassador to Pakistan is reported to have said that his government could not force Osama bin Laden to leave Afghanistan. According to a news agency report, the ambassador said a council of the county's senior clerics had ruled that bin Laden should be persuaded to leave Afghanistan, not forcibly removed.
Bin Laden is the head of a loose network of Islamic fundamentalist terrorist groups, called Al-Qaeda (the Base). He is suspected of masterminding last week's attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon.
The Secretary General of NATO has backed President Bush's demand for the Taliban regime to hand over bin Laden and the other leaders of his network. NATO's George Robertson said that Mr Bush had made his call, not only on behalf of the United States, but also on behalf of all countries of the world.
In a separate development, President Bush announced the creation of a Cabinet-level position to oversee the protection of America from attack. He has appointed the Republican Governor for Pennsylvania, Tom Ridge to oversee what is to be called the Office of Homeland Security. The post will involve co-ordinating the work of the FBI and the CIA.
Republican and Democratic members of the Congress hailed President Bush's call to arms. Reflecting that sentiment, a poll taken after the President's address to the nation also found overwhelming support for his response to last week's attacks on New York and Washington.
Ooooohhhh.....you were just taken to the woodshed. Don't forget to smile when you bend over.Hogwash. Bin Laden himself was boasting about his responsibility every chance he got to make a statement about it. What further proof did they need?
Moreover by that time Al Qaeda had already attacked the USS Cole and had already bombed US Embassies. The attack on 9/11 was much more high profile, but it was not the first act of war against the United States by Al Qaeda.
Another one for the woodshed. Bend over and take it with a smile.Widely reported? Got a credible source for that claim. I have never seen one.
I'll wait.Somebody has to do the intellectual heavy lifting since you are just a lazy, uniformed, hack.
Will you apologize, admit you are wrong, stfu and go away when I post the materials that show you invented fictional international law to support your incorrect position?
Actually I might not even have to wait, I may have posted some of it before on another thread.
Note that I regularly provide sources.
Bingo.Further one would think that a videotaped confession released to your favorate media source al Jazeera would more than eliminate the need of "prove to us."
Much as I have been a critic of the Afghan war I think the US was absolutely justified, legally and morally, in going after Al Qaeda there. My criticisms of the Afghan war are of the jus in bello variety, not jus ad bellum. I believe that the strategy followed in Afghanistan was both immoral and ineffective. On the other hand I am not against the war in principle. It was a just war to start, if only it had been executed properly!
Israeli Mavis Marmara Murder Suspects Identified
The list of Israeli soldiers involved in the murder of the passengers onboard the Mavis Marmara have been identified. It's been reported that Turkish agents operating covertly in Israel helped identify those on this list:
Here are the names:
Agai Yehezkel, Aharon Haliwa, Alex Shakliar, Amir Ulo, Amir Abste, Amir Shimon Ashel, Anna Strelski, Anton Siomin, Aram Zehavi, Ariel Brickman, Ariel Karo, Ariel Rifkin, Ariel Yochanan, Arnon Avital, Assaf Bryt, Avi Balut, Avi Bnayahu, Avi Mizrakhi, Avi Peled, Aviad Perri, Aviel Siman, Avihay Wizman, Avihu Ben Zahar, Avishay Levi, Avishay Shasha, Aviv Edri, Aviv Kochavi, Aviv Mendelowitz, Baruch (Barry) Berlinsky, Basam Alian, Ben-Zion (Benzi) Gruver, Bnaya Sarel, Boaz Dabush, Boaz Rubin, Boris Schuster, Dado Bar- Kalifa, Dan Dolberg, Dan Harel, Daniel Kotler, David Shapira, David Slovozkoi, David Zini, Eden Atias, Eden Atias, Efraim Aviad Tehila, Efraim Avni, Eitan Ben-Gad, Elad Chachkis, Elad Itzik, Elad Shoshan, Elad Yakobson, Eli Fadida, Eli Yafe, Eliezer Shkedi, Elik Sror, Eran Karisi, Erez Sa’adon, Eyal Eizenberg, Eyal Handelman, Eyal Zukowsky, Gil Shen, Gur Rozenblat, Gur Schreibmann, Guy Givoni, Guy Hazut, Haggai Amar, Hanan Schwart, Harel Naaman, Hila Yafe, Ido Nechushtan, Ilan Malka, Itay Virob, Liran Nachman, Michelle Ben-Baruch, Miki Ohayon, Moshe Tamir, Nadav Musa, Nathan Be’eri, Nezah Rubin, Nimrod Schefer, Nir Ben-David, Nir Dupet, Nir Ohayon, Niv Samban, Noam Keshwisky, Ofek Gal, Ofer Lahad, Ofer Levi, Ofer Winter, Ofer Zafrir, Ofir Edri, Ohad Girhish, Ohad Najme, Omer Dori, Omri Dover, Or Nelkenbaum, Oren Bersano, Oren Cohen, Oren Kupitz, Oren Zini, Pinkhas Buchris, Raz Sarig, Ron Asherov, Ron Levinger, Ron Shirto, Ronen Dan, Ronen Dogmi, Roi Elkabetz, Roi Oppenheimer, Roi Weinberger, Sahar Abargel, Shai Belaich, Shaked Galin, Sharon Itach, Shaul Badusa, Shay Unger, Shimon Siso, Shiran Mussa, Shlomit Tako, Tal Alkobi, Tal Bendel, Tal Kommemi, Tal Ruso, Tamir Oren, Tamir Yadai, Tom Cohen, Tomer Meltzmann, Geva Rapp, Tslil Birbir, Udi Sagie, Uri Ron, Yair Keinan, Yair Palay, Ya’akov(Yaki) Dolf, Yaniv Zolicha, Yaron,Finkelman, Yaron Simsulo, Yehosua (Shuki) Ribak, Yehu Ofer, Yehuda Fuchs, Yehuda Hacohen, Yigal Slovik, Yigal Sudri, Yizhar Yona, Yoav Galant, Yoav Gertner, Yoav Mordechai, Yochai Siemann, Yochanan Locker, Yom-Tov Samia, Yonathan Barenski, Yonathan Felman, Yoni Weitzner, Yossi Abuzaglo, Yossi Bahar, Yossi Beidaz, Yotam Dadon, Yishai Ankri, Yishai Green, Yuval Halamish, Zion Bramli, Zion Shankour, Ziv Danieli, Ziv Trabelsi, Zuf Salomon, Zvi Fogel, Zvi Yehuda Kelner.
The list of Israeli soldiers involved in the murder of the passengers onboard the Mavis Marmara have been identified. It's been reported that Turkish agents operating covertly in Israel helped identify those on this list:
Here are the names:
Agai Yehezkel, Aharon Haliwa, Alex Shakliar, Amir Ulo, Amir Abste, Amir Shimon Ashel, Anna Strelski, Anton Siomin, Aram Zehavi, Ariel Brickman, Ariel Karo, Ariel Rifkin, Ariel Yochanan, Arnon Avital, Assaf Bryt, Avi Balut, Avi Bnayahu, Avi Mizrakhi, Avi Peled, Aviad Perri, Aviel Siman, Avihay Wizman, Avihu Ben Zahar, Avishay Levi, Avishay Shasha, Aviv Edri, Aviv Kochavi, Aviv Mendelowitz, Baruch (Barry) Berlinsky, Basam Alian, Ben-Zion (Benzi) Gruver, Bnaya Sarel, Boaz Dabush, Boaz Rubin, Boris Schuster, Dado Bar- Kalifa, Dan Dolberg, Dan Harel, Daniel Kotler, David Shapira, David Slovozkoi, David Zini, Eden Atias, Eden Atias, Efraim Aviad Tehila, Efraim Avni, Eitan Ben-Gad, Elad Chachkis, Elad Itzik, Elad Shoshan, Elad Yakobson, Eli Fadida, Eli Yafe, Eliezer Shkedi, Elik Sror, Eran Karisi, Erez Sa’adon, Eyal Eizenberg, Eyal Handelman, Eyal Zukowsky, Gil Shen, Gur Rozenblat, Gur Schreibmann, Guy Givoni, Guy Hazut, Haggai Amar, Hanan Schwart, Harel Naaman, Hila Yafe, Ido Nechushtan, Ilan Malka, Itay Virob, Liran Nachman, Michelle Ben-Baruch, Miki Ohayon, Moshe Tamir, Nadav Musa, Nathan Be’eri, Nezah Rubin, Nimrod Schefer, Nir Ben-David, Nir Dupet, Nir Ohayon, Niv Samban, Noam Keshwisky, Ofek Gal, Ofer Lahad, Ofer Levi, Ofer Winter, Ofer Zafrir, Ofir Edri, Ohad Girhish, Ohad Najme, Omer Dori, Omri Dover, Or Nelkenbaum, Oren Bersano, Oren Cohen, Oren Kupitz, Oren Zini, Pinkhas Buchris, Raz Sarig, Ron Asherov, Ron Levinger, Ron Shirto, Ronen Dan, Ronen Dogmi, Roi Elkabetz, Roi Oppenheimer, Roi Weinberger, Sahar Abargel, Shai Belaich, Shaked Galin, Sharon Itach, Shaul Badusa, Shay Unger, Shimon Siso, Shiran Mussa, Shlomit Tako, Tal Alkobi, Tal Bendel, Tal Kommemi, Tal Ruso, Tamir Oren, Tamir Yadai, Tom Cohen, Tomer Meltzmann, Geva Rapp, Tslil Birbir, Udi Sagie, Uri Ron, Yair Keinan, Yair Palay, Ya’akov(Yaki) Dolf, Yaniv Zolicha, Yaron,Finkelman, Yaron Simsulo, Yehosua (Shuki) Ribak, Yehu Ofer, Yehuda Fuchs, Yehuda Hacohen, Yigal Slovik, Yigal Sudri, Yizhar Yona, Yoav Galant, Yoav Gertner, Yoav Mordechai, Yochai Siemann, Yochanan Locker, Yom-Tov Samia, Yonathan Barenski, Yonathan Felman, Yoni Weitzner, Yossi Abuzaglo, Yossi Bahar, Yossi Beidaz, Yotam Dadon, Yishai Ankri, Yishai Green, Yuval Halamish, Zion Bramli, Zion Shankour, Ziv Danieli, Ziv Trabelsi, Zuf Salomon, Zvi Fogel, Zvi Yehuda Kelner.
