TRUMP WINS

kherg007

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I understand your premise to a degree, however with all due respect in case you forgot about the covid era where MSM, many members of the public, our institutions, our political leaders…who put a gun to our heads threatening our livelihoods and ability to put food on the table. That is REAL authoritarianism and a crime against humanity. “Do we tolerate these people?” - dear leader.

So forgive me for sounding rude or condescending, but the left are what they accuse others of ten folds. If you didnt experience this or this wasnt an issue for you, good for you but many Canadians myself included werent so fortunate. And we did not forget and will never forget.

Just a note all this stuff happened in the USA when Trump was president. Remember the hospitals in usa were overflowing the medical community stretched to the max without masks and ventilators hence the lockdown. Despite that usa had the worst outcomes of any industrialised nation due to the mismanagement. In fact the medical community still short of nurses today because of that.
Were there mistakes? Yes. For example, maybe the schools reopened earlier, but we don't know what that would have done to their parents and grandparents. Our only hope is that the legit scientists study the shit out of this so as to be ready for the next one. However, one issue with covid was it was a novel virus so authorities had no idea as to its characteristics (thanks to the authoritarian Chinese regime not sharing) until too late. But there will be another pandemic. The medical schools even in the early 90s constantly taked about when, not if, we'd have another spanish flu.
 

JohnLarue

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Agreed, I don't but the fact that Americans voted him in based on his lies, which are his promises is just plain stupid.
this was a rejection of the left and no confidence in Harris
a choice between bad personality (which you can ignore) and bad policy (which impacts your daily lives)
given only two bad choices it is absurd to call voters stupid for selecting one

now layer on : inflation is political suicide for the incumbent




Not just China, Trump has said he was going to impose tariffs on Canada, Mexico, European countries because they take advantage of US. So expect retaliation, and these will friendly nations will become not friendly anymore.
you just stated he lies but are freaking out over what he said
he does not care if relations become less friendly
access to US markets is extremely important to those trading partners and the US economy is domestic driven
he loves to use leverage and he has that leverage



Tariffs are paid by the importing companies, NOT the exporting one. It was cause demand issues and reduce imports IF there is an alternative with same price, otherwise consumers will face inflation
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Yes , I know

China produces the majority of health care products, so governments are going to bleed money for that to importing companies.
??
US companies dominate the health care sector and cost of manufacturing is not the biggest cost for most health care companies


Trump may try to be selective on what he put tariffs on but all China has to do is restrict or raise prices on these items and fuck them.over, so goes the price wars caused by tariffs.
??

China raising prices would drive US companies to seek domestic supply , which is exactly what Trump wants
Not sure you logic hangs together here



Soon they will become dependent on Russia, Iran or Turkey.
For what????
Caviar, Vodka , Dates/ prunes??

I do not understand why you highlighted these countries

Oil supply is not dictated by China,
Trump is going to remove the shackles on US energy companies and he made the US energy self sufficient once before
and the US will have access to Canadian oil and gas



For some of these exports that they cannot get from China like rare earth metals, or textiles...
I will concede rare earth metals will be a problem
they were going to be a problem independent of Trump
There are other deposits
Canada has some, however the regulatory burden has push mine development timelines out to a decade or more

Trumps is also not going push EV like bidden / Trudeau did
if the market demands EV so be it, but he will not subsidise them or ban ICE if the market demands them

Textiles?
Spinning cotton or synthetic fibres is not rocket science
lots of countries would be happy to take market share from China and play by the rules


and by causing a trade war with Europe and Canada, oil from Iran and Russia. Except Tesla will get an exemption from tariffs for when Elon builds his factory in Mexico and Trump allows him to import from China.
China is the target
Canada's supply management system is not aligned with free trade , so it is at risk, and thus a political hot potato for PM Pierre P.

China is the target
The other trading partners will likely need to concede something so Trump's ego can claim a PR victory
But China is the target
 

JohnLarue

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All of this Trump's far right agenda is not Pierre's agenda.
He is very moderate in his policies and more of a classic conservative.
He is no Canadian Trump as many make him out to be.
So what I said is true.
And I am done with this discussion.

Too funny
You have argued at length that immigrants that illegally enter a country should be allowed to stay
you have argued at length that communist China is a success (despite murdering 20 to 50 million of their own people)
you thought the commie Bernie sanders would have been a good choice


now you are claiming to be conservative supporter??
Bernie Sanders and conservative principals is a very odd mix
I am skeptical

but hey , if you have finally woken up and stated thinking clearly, good for you
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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What's far right about Trump?
His political rhetoric that amounts to:
"We need to reclaim America from dirty foreigners, rioting socialists, and godless queers"
"We need to protect TRUE AMERICANS from the evil woke conspiracy that controls our government"
"We need to lock up our enemies who are pedophiles and traitors"
Extreme blood and soil nationalism, nativism, authoritarianism, isolationism/protectionism are far right.
If you disagree these are far right values, then we have nothing to talk about.
You cannot talk to someone that refuses to acknowledge far right values as far right.
Fascism is a process.
You start here and then the slippery slope ends in fascism.
It is what Trump is promoting.
I am not concerned with some of his policies like cutting taxes, deregulating, expanding the child tax credit.
I am concerned with the ones I highlighted above.
The ones above are also the motivation behind things like mass deportations.
Remove those, and I might be more accepting of Trump.
That is proven by the fact that I support Pierre for Canada in 2025.
Pierre isn't far right like Trump is.
He has none of this dangerous rhetoric.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Too funny
You have argued at length that immigrants that illegally enter a country should be allowed to stay
you have argued at length that communist China is a success (despite murdering 20 to 50 million of their own people)
you thought the commie Bernie sanders would have been a good choice


now you are claiming to be conservative supporter??
Bernie Sanders and conservative principals is a very odd mix
I am skeptical

but hey , if you finally woken up and stated thinking clearly, good for you
I am not a conservative.
I am an Obama era progressive if you want to label me.
I said I will vote Pierre in 2025 (after voting for Trudeau 3 times).
Pierre may be right per Canadian standards, but I consider him....like @kittykellykat labeled him "Lib lite" lol.
The alternative will get us a few more years of this idiot Trudeau.
So I am choosing the lesser of the two evils.
 

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I am not a conservative.
I am an Obama era progressive if you want to label me.
I said I will vote Pierre in 2025 (after voting for Trudeau 3 times).
Pierre may be right per Canadian standards, but I consider him....like @kittykellykat labeled him "Lib lite" lol.
The alternative will get us a few more years of this idiot Trudeau.
So I am choosing the lesser of the two evils.
Ya you’re like a normie milquetoast centrist leaning left. True Canadian

I think you just have a lot of affective empathy so it makes you look more left. I have no affective empathy, but my cognitive empathy is really good
 
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Leimonis

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I think you just have a lot of affective empathy so it makes you look more left. I have no affective empathy, but my cognitive empathy is really good
Omg same! I understand how others feel, I just don’t give a fuck lol
 
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JohnLarue

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I am not a conservative.
I am an Obama era progressive if you want to label me.
I said I will vote Pierre in 2025 (after voting for Trudeau 3 times).
Pierre may be right per Canadian standards, but I consider him....like @kittykellykat labeled him "Lib lite" lol.
The alternative will get us a few more years of this idiot Trudeau.
So I am choosing the lesser of the two evils.

OK
it is very encouraging to see " progressives " clue in and reject the idiot Trudeau
Your claim you will support Pierre implies you also reject Jagmeet Singh, so good for you

So all you need to do is work on
  1. your understanding of the rule of law,
  2. what a criminal is,
  3. what defines success and
  4. the evils of communism
But hey , you are now pointed in the right direction and just take one step at a time towards the application of common sense

no need to thank me, I am happy to help
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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  1. your understanding of the rule of law,
  2. what a criminal is,
  3. what defines success and
  4. the evils of communism
You need to work on the following:
1. How not to move goalposts.
2. How not to apply double standards when talking about human rights.
3. The dangers of far right politics.
4. How not to contradict yourself when talking about human rights.
But I won't hold my breath.
 

SchlongConery

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First of all c49 is for the petroleum in New Foundland.
Secondly.... when exactly did Foundland become New Foundland?

Thirdly... are you new? 😉

*New being a Newfoundland (pronounced as one word 'Newfundland' with the accent on the first syllable) expression for somebody doing or saying something foolish they know little about. 😜

But go on b'y, what were ya after tellin' us about the black cod?


Using big words and claiming you are educated on a topic means nothing, especially when you have no experience to back it up.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Ya you’re like a normie milquetoast centrist leaning left. True Canadian

I think you just have a lot of affective empathy so it makes you look more left. I have no affective empathy, but my cognitive empathy is really good
My cognitive empathy is really good too.
This is why I reject arguments that seem objective but are really not. (Example: "This is the rule of law" like JL mentioned above).
But I do tend to temper it and try to take people at face value.
Especially online where you are interacting with anonymous individuals.
 
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