Trump : Palestinians, please move out of GAZA. We (USA) will clean it up and make it the Riviera of the middle east. Then you can come back.

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The root cause of these conflicts is that there is no Two State Solution,...
Which is an issue among current Palestinian and Israeli leadership. I have seen no sign of any Palestinian leadership taking a Two State peace seriously. Hamas is outright opposed to any permanent peace that includes Israel. Abbas rejected a comprehensive Two State peace in 2008. Netanyahu is against a full two State peace but there are many Israeli politicians who do support it (and netanyahu is very unlikely to survive the next election).

A path forward towards peace is more complicated than it should be but it is important to realize what the stumbling blocks are, not just hold Israel accountable (and my interpretation of that tendency is racism; people see Jews as more white that Arabs so have higher standards for them).
 

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Yep, accepted.

Anti-Jewish riots were happening in the area in 1834 and 1838, long before 'zionism' was a thing.
‘I’m glad you posted this. It’s clear you haven’t read them because both reference Zionist migration, Zionist migrant displacement of the indigenous population and a malevolent impulse to destroy sacred sites and assert control, such as the Dome of the Rock.

Given what we see today, the fears of the local population were completely justified.
 
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Which is an issue among current Palestinian and Israeli leadership. I have seen no sign of any Palestinian leadership taking a Two State peace seriously. Hamas is outright opposed to any permanent peace that includes Israel. Abbas rejected a comprehensive Two State peace in 2008. Netanyahu is against a full two State peace but there are many Israeli politicians who do support it (and netanyahu is very unlikely to survive the next election).

A path forward towards peace is more complicated than it should be but it is important to realize what the stumbling blocks are, not just hold Israel accountable (and my interpretation of that tendency is racism; people see Jews as more white that Arabs so have higher standards for them).
Yes, they were just a hair's length from agreeing to a two State Peace Plan. Israel wanted 5.5% of the 7% of settlements in the West Bank to be annexed. That was the sticking point to Abbas' plan that expected the whole of The West Bank to be a part of Palestine with Jerusalem as the Capital.
But eventually a change of leadership in Israel, then The USA and finally Saudi Arabia derailed this whole Peace Plan.
In 2008 more than 75% Israelis supported that Peace Plan. The subsequent issue has been the West Bank Settlements that has now risen to over 700,000 with regards to the population of the new settlers. Hamas is one of the problems and at the other end is Netanyahu who has pledged to increase the number of new settlement homes in The West Bank. Hence, very unlikely to see a new peace Plan in the Horizon.
 
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And you've proven you don't either. It's just like you swearing to the truth of Trump's bullshit when you find it convenient.
I believe them, support them and post their reports here.
You deny them all and whine about the world being biased against racial supremacists and genocide to the point of calling the UN rapporteur a 'cunt' for reporting on Israeli war crimes.


 

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Which is an issue among current Palestinian and Israeli leadership. I have seen no sign of any Palestinian leadership taking a Two State peace seriously. Hamas is outright opposed to any permanent peace that includes Israel. Abbas rejected a comprehensive Two State peace in 2008. Netanyahu is against a full two State peace but there are many Israeli politicians who do support it (and netanyahu is very unlikely to survive the next election).

A path forward towards peace is more complicated than it should be but it is important to realize what the stumbling blocks are, not just hold Israel accountable (and my interpretation of that tendency is racism; people see Jews as more white that Arabs so have higher standards for them).
Hamas supports the two state solution, you don't.

If you really backed it you would back the world's demand that Israel end the occupation so the two state solution can be implemented.
Your hatred of the two state solution is so clear that you refuse to even acknowledge or discuss this UN resolution and how it could lead to the two state solution.
You just want Greater Israel instead.

 
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