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Butler1000

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All of those things will happen even more under Trump.
More Palestinians will die. More Muslims will suffer.
Added to that, there will be a travel ban
Trump is objectively worse for them just based on policy positions alone.
Except no new wars happened under Trump the first time. He is fact negotiated the end of Afghanistan. So from an objective standpoint your premise is false. It has in fact been worse under Biden. All you have to do is add up the dead, maimed and destroyed.

You are not thinking objectively and using empathy to see their view. You are arguing from only your opinion subjectively and mostly from projected opinion and not what has occured.

Please note as well he has not expressed any desire or policy this time to even a ban. I think he is likely to be far more concerned this time with internal American policy and trade policy.

Actions matter. The Biden/Harris administration is funding the war in Gaza, and now has moved troops in. How can it get worse?
 

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Except no new wars happened under Trump the first time. He is fact negotiated the end of Afghanistan. So from an objective standpoint your premise is false. It has in fact been worse under Biden. All you have to do is add up the dead, maimed and destroyed.

You are not thinking objectively and using empathy to see their view. You are arguing from only your opinion subjectively and mostly from projected opinion and not what has occured.

Please note as well he has not expressed any desire or policy this time to even a ban. I think he is likely to be far more concerned this time with internal American policy and trade policy.

Actions matter. The Biden/Harris administration is funding the war in Gaza, and now has moved troops in. How can it get worse?
There is always a matter of hazard and chance for U.S. Presidents when it comes to foreign affairs. If you tell a partisan that U.S. Presidents have to deal with the hand they are dealt in the state of the globe, you might get a peculiar look of confusion or maybe anger.

Trump had a relatively quiet Iran and a quiet Middle East. Perhaps his approach to Iran and region was partially responsible. More than likely his Administration benefited from some fortuity in the Mideast.

However, your point about no new wars and the Afghanistan withdrawal are correct.
 
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There is always a matter of hazard and chance for U.S. Presidents when it comes to foreign affairs. If you tell a partisan that U.S. Presidents have to deal with the hand they are dealt in the state of the globe, you might get a peculiar look of confusion or maybe anger.

Trump had a relatively quiet Iran and a quiet Middle East. Perhaps his approach to Iran and region was partially responsible.
Yes, he certainly had a deft and sophisticated touch. The Muslim Ban was non partisan, sympathetic and very carefully thought out. And then there were the military operations and the assassinations of Mid East figures he disliked.

Definitely a calming influence in the ME. 💩💩💩
 

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There is always a matter of hazard and chance for U.S. Presidents when it comes to foreign affairs. If you tell a partisan that U.S. Presidents have to deal with the hand they are dealt in the state of the globe, you might get a peculiar look of confusion or maybe anger.

Trump had a relatively quiet Iran and a quiet Middle East. Perhaps his approach to Iran and region was partially responsible.
Quiet Ukraine as well. But yes absolutely the President doesn't decide world events in a bubble.

But my major point was Shaq expects Arab Americans to project what might happen as possibly worse than what is happening. And so my Question is, how can it get much worse from their perspective?
 
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Quiet Ukraine as well.
Because The Poo was waiting for him to be re elected and have the full 4 years of Trump sucking his cock and kneeling in front of him before invading Ukraine. And when Trump fumbled and shat himself in the 2020 election, The Poo figured "WTF. I'll invade anyway."
 
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Quiet Ukraine as well. But yes absolutely the President doesn't decide world events in a bubble.

But my major point was Shaq expects Arab Americans to project what might happen as possibly worse than what is happening. And so my Question is, how can it get much worse from their perspective?
Because the Dems have to walk a tight rope to keep both their moderate centrist pro Israel voters and their far left Frankies in line before the election - and after to some extent.

Whereas Trump will just whoop ass the Muslims like a demented angry old chimpanzee in a rage.
 

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Except no new wars happened under Trump the first time. He is fact negotiated the end of Afghanistan. So from an objective standpoint your premise is false. It has in fact been worse under Biden. All you have to do is add up the dead, maimed and destroyed.

You are not thinking objectively and using empathy to see their view. You are arguing from only your opinion subjectively and mostly from projected opinion and not what has occured.

Please note as well he has not expressed any desire or policy this time to even a ban. I think he is likely to be far more concerned this time with internal American policy and trade policy.

Actions matter. The Biden/Harris administration is funding the war in Gaza, and now has moved troops in. How can it get worse?
And none of those things about wars and Afghanistan has anything to do with Gaza.
This is not my opinion. It is infact you that is projecting your opinion here.
Muslims are voting for Stein, not Trump. Muslims hate Trump. I am talking about the consequences of doing so.
You talked about policy.
I showed you how purely and objectively based on policy alone, Trump is worse for Muslims here, and for Palestinians over there.
Muslims who will vote Jill Stein, will vote based on an her stated policies which are pro-Palestinian.
Sure, but that will end up with a Trump presidency as a consequence whose stated policies are very anti-Palestinian.
They will end up with a guy who they hate even more than they do Harris.
If they were objective they would consider this and vote Harris.
I also showed you a video where Trump explicitly says that that he will remove all restraints on Netanyahu and that Biden is holding him back.
His words not mine.
So as I said, purely and objectively based on policy positions alone, a Trump/Vance Presidency is worse for Muslims than Harris/Walz.
 
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Actions matter. The Biden/Harris administration is funding the war in Gaza, and now has moved troops in. How can it get worse?
Gee I don’t know maybe US betraying their ally and letting Palestinians and other Islamist terrorists cleanse and massacre Israelis and massively undermine US presence on the global scene could be a little bit worse?
 

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WOW: Mark Cuban tries to explain Kamala’s shift from radical leftist to “moderate’ — ends up exposing Kamala as a shameless political opportunist and liar. It’s a really, really bad idea to keep Mark on the campaign trail if you’re Kamala: CUBAN: “She was representing the state of California. You can call it the People's Republic of California, right? And so when you have a far left state, you know, you're going to do what your citizens want when you're representing the United States of America. It's a much broader…." KARL: “But do you think she believes that stuff?" CUBAN: "I think she believed it for sure. But you know, I mean, look, she has to speak for herself on those things…" So, according to Cuban, she believed in her radical leftwing positions when it was expedient in California, but now she doesn’t believe them because it’s not expedient when trying to win the Presidency. Holy smokes.
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And none of those things about wars and Afghanistan has anything to do with Gaza.
This is not my opinion. It is infact you that is projecting your opinion here.
Muslims are voting for Stein, not Trump. Muslims hate Trump. I am talking about the consequences of doing so.
You talked about policy.
I showed you how purely and objectively based on policy alone, Trump is worse for Muslims here, and for Palestinians over there.
Muslims who will vote Jill Stein, will vote based on an her stated policies which are pro-Palestinian.
Sure, but that will end up with a Trump presidency as a consequence whose stated policies are very anti-Palestinian.
They will end up with a guy who they hate even more than they do Harris.
If they were objective they would consider this and vote Harris.
I also showed you a video where Trump explicitly says that that he will remove all restraints on Netanyahu and that Biden is holding him back.
His words not mine.
So as I said, purely and objectively based on policy positions alone, a Trump/Vance Presidency is worse for Muslims than Harris/Walz.
Lol. So you think a travel ban is worse than funding a war? Wow. You haven't shown anything. At best they would carry the same policy. And those voters who think that are staying home, only voting down ballot, or voting for Stein in protest.

Do you ready think you can shame them into voting for Harris?
 
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