Trump indicted like an orange fraud-monkey
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And if ‘she’ says no, then it’s fair game to call a bunch of your friends to break into her house so you can rape her.
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They also have to have valid legal and factual arguments, Dutch.
And Trump went 0-50+ in his last round of litigation. Arrogance and impracticality allied with stupidy just = a big, fat orange loser monkey.
BREAKING: GOP-Backed Ballot Initiative Fails HARD in Ohio
Ohio's biggest university voted 98% against the abortion ban.
The GOP has lost gen z.
Its the party of old angry white guys now.
Yes, it is as shown by the righties right here on this forum. LOL
Trump co-defendant's struggle to find lawyers seen as 'delay tactic' by Florida lawyers
Story by Katherine Doyle and Jonathan Dienst and Tom Winter •2h
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — Record numbers of criminal cases are tried in Florida’s Southern District every year, where attorneys ready to join a blockbuster fight should be easy to come by, former prosecutors and criminal defense attorneys say.
But Carlos De Oliveira, the latest defendant charged alongside Donald Trump in the alleged mishandling of classified government documents, has yet to secure a lawyer who can practice in the state, delaying his plea in a pattern some say is playing into Trump’s attempt to draw out the case. Attorneys for Trump have argued that the trial should take place much later than the May date set by the judge, citing the scope of the indictment and Trump’s status as a presidential candidate.
Delaying the trial could have significant political implications for Trump, who is running to return to the White House. Trump will face primary voters in May and, if he wins the Republican nomination, general election voters in November 2024, and the contents and outcome of a trial could weigh heavily on voters.
That De Oliveira, 56, of Palm Beach Gardens, had obtained counsel in Washington but no one to represent him in Florida was “comical” and “almost funny,” said Dick Gregorie, a 40-year veteran of Florida’s Southern District known for his prosecutions of the late Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega and leaders of the Medellin and Cali drug cartels.
Image: Mar-a-Lago (Steve Helber / AP file)© Provided by NBC News
“I think that’s comical,” Gregorie said. “Here’s a guy from Palm Beach and he can find a lawyer in Washington, D.C., but in the busiest criminal district in the country, in the Southern District of Florida, he’s not able to find a lawyer? It’s almost funny.”
Appearing before a federal judge in Miami last week, De Oliveira, wearing a navy suit and glasses and without a local attorney, was unable to enter a plea.
It was a reprise of the two delays that led Walt Nauta, Trump’s personal aide who is also indicted in the classified documents case, to postpone entering his not guilty plea.
The district has no shortage of legal firepower, said Philip Reizenstein, a former Miami-Dade County prosecutor.
“We’re very active as defense attorneys,” Reizenstein said. “We don’t just roll over and plead guilty.”
Mark Schnapp, a veteran federal prosecutor who led the criminal division at the U.S. attorney’s office in Miami, said, “I don’t know what’s taking so long.” Schnapp said De Oliveira “had to know” he would be charged ahead of time.
Typically the government will contact targets to let them know they’re going to be charged and offer them opportunities to cooperate, former prosecutors said.
A source familiar with the matter said De Oliveira’s legal team was informed ahead of time that the government intended to seek an indictment. The source said the defense was offered a chance to explain why he should not face charges.
But even after the charges were announced in a superseding indictment and De Oliveira made his first court appearance, his defense team was still working to lock down local counsel.
“This is a delay tactic,” said Dave Aronberg, the state attorney in Palm Beach County. “I’ll walk outside in a couple of minutes. I’m going to trip over at least three lawyers who are admitted into the Southern District of Florida. You’ve got to watch your step.”
Yet despite the historic challenge of wanting to represent a former president, veterans of the South Florida legal world who spoke to NBC News said other issues could be complicating the decision.
The cost of securing an attorney independent from Trump’s operation could prove a daunting challenge for workers targeted by federal investigators in the special counsel’s probes.
Gregorie pointed to potential conflicts with Trump, who promised to find De Oliveira an attorney, according to the updated indictment.
Trump’s Save America fundraising group spent at least $20 million on legal fees in the first half of the year, some of it with the firms of lawyers who have signed on to represent his employees, federal records show.
“It’s surprising, in a sense, because it’s one of the biggest criminal cases in the country,” said Marcos Jimenez, a trial lawyer and former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida.
For De Oliveira, a former maintenance worker at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate accused with him and Nauta of conspiring to subvert federal investigators’ efforts to retrieve sensitive classified documents from Trump in his post-presidency, the stakes could not be higher.
Prosecutors allege that De Oliveira lied to the government by denying he had any knowledge of boxes of classified files, despite his role in moving them, and then tried to delete security video at the Palm Beach club after the Justice Department sought to obtain it. Trump called De Oliveira, and the two spoke for more than 20 minutes, according to the indictment.
He later approached another employee, identified as Yuscil Taveras, and informed him that “the boss” wanted the video deleted, prosecutors allege. That employee, who was once represented by a lawyer shared with another Trump defendant, sought new counsel last month.
De Oliveira, who is set to appear before the federal judge assigned to the case Thursday, faces a delicate path that could lead to new challenges down the line.
“This is a question of ‘how is this guy going to pay for his lawyer?’ And if he is being paid by Trump, that lawyer has got to say: ‘Listen, my job is to represent you. Some of the things I’m going to recommend to you may not be what Mr. Trump wants,’” Gregorie said. “That may be a real difficulty.”
Former prosecutors for the Southern District said lawyers face their own liabilities, including the financial peril of a defendant who loses the means to pay or the threat of landing in the very public crosshairs of Trump’s ire.
If a lawyer signs on to a case in Florida and the defendant stops paying, “you’re stuck,” Schnapp said.
Reizenstein said: “Unspoken among my colleagues who wanted to work for the president — within a group of certain people who were being consulted — [was] a cost-benefit analysis. Literally there were lawyers who were asking themselves how much is your reputation worth. Because a lot of people who take on the representation end up getting damaged themselves.”
“That was an undercurrent within the Miami legal community when he was looking for lawyers,” Reizenstein said of Trump.
Said Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney for Southern Florida: “Lawyers associated with Donald Trump have had bad luck.”
This article was originally published on NBCNews.com
Trump co-defendant's struggle to find lawyers seen as 'delay tactic' by Florida lawyers (msn.com)
Story by Katherine Doyle and Jonathan Dienst and Tom Winter •2h
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — Record numbers of criminal cases are tried in Florida’s Southern District every year, where attorneys ready to join a blockbuster fight should be easy to come by, former prosecutors and criminal defense attorneys say.
But Carlos De Oliveira, the latest defendant charged alongside Donald Trump in the alleged mishandling of classified government documents, has yet to secure a lawyer who can practice in the state, delaying his plea in a pattern some say is playing into Trump’s attempt to draw out the case. Attorneys for Trump have argued that the trial should take place much later than the May date set by the judge, citing the scope of the indictment and Trump’s status as a presidential candidate.
Delaying the trial could have significant political implications for Trump, who is running to return to the White House. Trump will face primary voters in May and, if he wins the Republican nomination, general election voters in November 2024, and the contents and outcome of a trial could weigh heavily on voters.
That De Oliveira, 56, of Palm Beach Gardens, had obtained counsel in Washington but no one to represent him in Florida was “comical” and “almost funny,” said Dick Gregorie, a 40-year veteran of Florida’s Southern District known for his prosecutions of the late Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega and leaders of the Medellin and Cali drug cartels.
Image: Mar-a-Lago (Steve Helber / AP file)© Provided by NBC News
“I think that’s comical,” Gregorie said. “Here’s a guy from Palm Beach and he can find a lawyer in Washington, D.C., but in the busiest criminal district in the country, in the Southern District of Florida, he’s not able to find a lawyer? It’s almost funny.”
Appearing before a federal judge in Miami last week, De Oliveira, wearing a navy suit and glasses and without a local attorney, was unable to enter a plea.
It was a reprise of the two delays that led Walt Nauta, Trump’s personal aide who is also indicted in the classified documents case, to postpone entering his not guilty plea.
The district has no shortage of legal firepower, said Philip Reizenstein, a former Miami-Dade County prosecutor.
“We’re very active as defense attorneys,” Reizenstein said. “We don’t just roll over and plead guilty.”
Mark Schnapp, a veteran federal prosecutor who led the criminal division at the U.S. attorney’s office in Miami, said, “I don’t know what’s taking so long.” Schnapp said De Oliveira “had to know” he would be charged ahead of time.
Typically the government will contact targets to let them know they’re going to be charged and offer them opportunities to cooperate, former prosecutors said.
A source familiar with the matter said De Oliveira’s legal team was informed ahead of time that the government intended to seek an indictment. The source said the defense was offered a chance to explain why he should not face charges.
But even after the charges were announced in a superseding indictment and De Oliveira made his first court appearance, his defense team was still working to lock down local counsel.
“This is a delay tactic,” said Dave Aronberg, the state attorney in Palm Beach County. “I’ll walk outside in a couple of minutes. I’m going to trip over at least three lawyers who are admitted into the Southern District of Florida. You’ve got to watch your step.”
Yet despite the historic challenge of wanting to represent a former president, veterans of the South Florida legal world who spoke to NBC News said other issues could be complicating the decision.
The cost of securing an attorney independent from Trump’s operation could prove a daunting challenge for workers targeted by federal investigators in the special counsel’s probes.
Gregorie pointed to potential conflicts with Trump, who promised to find De Oliveira an attorney, according to the updated indictment.
Trump’s Save America fundraising group spent at least $20 million on legal fees in the first half of the year, some of it with the firms of lawyers who have signed on to represent his employees, federal records show.
“It’s surprising, in a sense, because it’s one of the biggest criminal cases in the country,” said Marcos Jimenez, a trial lawyer and former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida.
For De Oliveira, a former maintenance worker at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate accused with him and Nauta of conspiring to subvert federal investigators’ efforts to retrieve sensitive classified documents from Trump in his post-presidency, the stakes could not be higher.
Prosecutors allege that De Oliveira lied to the government by denying he had any knowledge of boxes of classified files, despite his role in moving them, and then tried to delete security video at the Palm Beach club after the Justice Department sought to obtain it. Trump called De Oliveira, and the two spoke for more than 20 minutes, according to the indictment.
He later approached another employee, identified as Yuscil Taveras, and informed him that “the boss” wanted the video deleted, prosecutors allege. That employee, who was once represented by a lawyer shared with another Trump defendant, sought new counsel last month.
De Oliveira, who is set to appear before the federal judge assigned to the case Thursday, faces a delicate path that could lead to new challenges down the line.
“This is a question of ‘how is this guy going to pay for his lawyer?’ And if he is being paid by Trump, that lawyer has got to say: ‘Listen, my job is to represent you. Some of the things I’m going to recommend to you may not be what Mr. Trump wants,’” Gregorie said. “That may be a real difficulty.”
Former prosecutors for the Southern District said lawyers face their own liabilities, including the financial peril of a defendant who loses the means to pay or the threat of landing in the very public crosshairs of Trump’s ire.
If a lawyer signs on to a case in Florida and the defendant stops paying, “you’re stuck,” Schnapp said.
Reizenstein said: “Unspoken among my colleagues who wanted to work for the president — within a group of certain people who were being consulted — [was] a cost-benefit analysis. Literally there were lawyers who were asking themselves how much is your reputation worth. Because a lot of people who take on the representation end up getting damaged themselves.”
“That was an undercurrent within the Miami legal community when he was looking for lawyers,” Reizenstein said of Trump.
Said Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney for Southern Florida: “Lawyers associated with Donald Trump have had bad luck.”
This article was originally published on NBCNews.com
Trump co-defendant's struggle to find lawyers seen as 'delay tactic' by Florida lawyers (msn.com)
Does he mean whiter? DC is fairly diverse, but has a lot of African-Americans...
The sad, pathetic, hopeless whining about "changing venue" starts....
Change of venue - at least in Canada - is normally done to move a case from a small town, where the crime is notorious, to a large city. The theory is that in the small town, everybody has a preconceived opinion on the case whereas no one gives a fuck in the big city. The classic case was moving the Demeter trial from Mississauga (then only a couple of hundred thou people) to London, ON. (London was also pretty small, but was a long way away from Mississauga geographically).
Trump should be able to get a diverse and unopinionated jury in DC ffs! If that's an issue, he can move it to the Virginia burbs or Baltimore. WV is likely to be very non-diverse and is picked as a Trump stronghold where the bulk of the population are poorly educated whites.
You are correct that they can in the sense that they have the jurisdiction to do so but motions and appeals take time and that is the name of the game.
Maybe he'll do better in Georgia.
'I just need 12 votes'.....
LOL
That's an interesting take. So, are you saying someone who is a Dem supporter cannot be impartial and listen to the evidence? So, you're already working on the "Trump was only convicted because the court was biased against him" defence...
But you'd say that regardless of the jurisdiction. If he gets convicted in Florida with Cannon on the bench, you'll blame the DOJ for a political witch-hunt....it doesn't matter if Trump broke the law, or how many times, you just think he should get a pass...
Mitchy, there's a difference between not voting for the guy and being so biased that you vote to convict him against the evidence. Most Dem voters are competent and unbiased jurors, regardless of party affiliation.
