Biggest liar? 1. he did not send the statements, 2. he did not prepare the statements 3. He is right that real estate valuations are often a gusstimate. I don't like the guy but the legal system is not a popularity contest.
Trump gets a $355 million kick to the crotch, will he pay up?
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Lots of lawyers don't know the law, that is why they get disbarred. In this case it was not a matter of knowing the law, but how the legal system can be derailed quite easily.
The judge believed him. The judge didn't believe Trump. There you go.
You're not a judge. You didn't attend the trial. You probably read a twitter post by RealPatriotTrucker or DC Draino or TrumpMAGA Patriot Girl or one of your other usual sources and thought you'd argue the same shit on TERB.
Or just toeing the desinformatzia line to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt.
So then toguy should be disbarred by now. Fellow lawyers and judges don't like lawyers who don't know the law.
Trump's lawyers, incompetent though they seem, apparently have found ways to work and derail the system.
lol. Add real estate to your areas of expertise. The degree to which you and your friends are prepared to overlook fraud is quite astounding. You should volunteer for the Innocence Project and try and free all the people in jail for doing the same thing but who are not former presidents.
Are you suggesting that giving immunity to a witness is unusual? If so you know nothing about the criminal justice system.
That is the way trials work. Each side presents experts and evidence and the judge and/jury decides which evidence to prefer. And that is why there is an appeal process. Time will tell.
but the amazing thing to me is that you and your friend think that just because he professes his innince he is. Gave you ever seen a trial in which the defendant hasn’t. Why are you complaining about the millions of people in jail who have proffessed their innocence and have been convicted.
not ver difficult to understand. Borrowers are risk rated based upon financial statements etc. rates are then assessed base upon the risk profile. Every credit application has words to the effect that the statement is given intending it be be relied upon by the lender. It is fraud to misstate one’s assets and lliabiitiries.
You are really missing the point. In any event do you believe it is OK to lie on a credit application. that is a yes or no. And I don't care if you think that everyone does it. is it OK?
You should tell that to all the people in jail for similar types of fraud. I agree that the amount was very large and I do think it may be reduced on appeal. but i do not believe that the verdict itself will be set aside or that the fraud itself did not occur.. time will tell.
Well then the only thing you are really complaining about is the size of the judgement and in this regard as I have said previously I do believe the amount may be reduced.
Mitchy, did the guy lie routinely on his credit applications or not?....
It's fraud. Move on.
Here's the thing, Mitch.
Trump has gone down big on 2 civil judgments already. Would he have been investigated and sued if he were not an annoying public figure?..... Maybe not.
But the fact is that he was found liable for the wrongs he was sued for. The lawsuits may have been politically motivated, but they were solid and were proven in court. Trump should have kept out of high profile public life if he had dozens of skeletons in his closet.
And he fucked up both trials beyond fucking belief. So the trial proved that he was a dirty candidate who was also an idiot who couldn't think straight when in a conflict situation. The lawsuits actually do the public a service by demonstrating what a pathetic, incompetent moron Trump is.
These civil cases are politically motivated?
Are you aware that your hero, the virtuous Donald J. Trump has been involved in 4,095 civil lawsuits over the last thirty years? Not including the past 6 years. Over 150 lawsuits a year? THREE LAWSUITS A WEEK!
Were they politically motivated?
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You might use the time you didn't spend reading Engoran's $355 MILLION dollar judgement
and read a bit about how Deutsche Bank's Private Banking arm's primary business in those days was laundering Russian Mafia money and re-think your statement that nobody put a gun to anyone's head.He didn't borrow from the local Deutsche Bank branch teller or Assistant Manager wearing a clip on tie. Private Banking is something that even I don't really comprehend the more I learned more about it. But basically, it is being the go-between/broker between private or tightly held groups wanting to place or get money. This is the division that lent Trump $300 million.
Interesting thing about Trump and Deutsche Bank's relationship. Some time in 2008/2009 when the financial market collapsed, Deutsche Bank's Commercial lending division called one of Trump's loans or an advance on a Chicago deal. Trump not only told them to fuck themselves, he claimed that the collapse was all banks faults and therefore they owed HIM billions! Lawsuit ensued.
For some strange reason, the lawsuit was discontinued and Deustche Bank-Private Bank arranged a loan something like $300 million MORE! It was Russian money.
Deutsche Bank faces action over $20bn Russian money-laundering scheme
Exclusive: in confidential internal report seen by the Guardian, bank says scandal has hurt global brand
www.theguardian.com
Deutsche Bank was embroiled in a vast money-laundering operation, dubbed the Global Laundromat. Russian criminals with links to the Kremlin, the old KGB and its main successor, the FSB, used the scheme between 2010 and 2014 to move money into the western financial system. The cash involved could total $80bn, detectives believe.
Deutsche is also under scrutiny in Washington over its financial dealings with Donald Trump. On 15 April, Democrats from the House intelligence and financial services committees issued a subpoena, demanding the bank provide documents about its lending to the president.
Over two decades, Trump borrowed more than $2bn from Deutsche. In 2008, he defaulted on a $45m loan repayment and sued the bank. Its private wealth division in New York subsequently loaned Trump a further $300m – a move that bemused insiders and which has yet to be fully explained.
In recent years, the bank has had a series of bruising encounters with international regulators. Between 2011 and 2018, it paid $14.5bn in fines, with exposure to dubious Russian money a regular theme.
