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Oh yes let’s go back to Chrétien shall we...promising to eliminate the GST to get elected then didn’t...Sponsorship scandal, promised to renegotiate NAFTA to get elected then didn’t, Shawinigate,..then is politely asked to “retire” by his own party...
Not to mention the single biggest downloading of Federally funded programs to Provincial responsibility in the history of Canada.
That's how the Chrétien Liberals "Stabilized" the economy.

What does that say about a Government, that during one of the biggest economic growth periods of the later half of the 20th Century, the only way they could stabilize things was to download hundreds of billions onto the heads of the provinces. And act that pretty much broke Newfoundland, and most provinces are still dealing with to this day.
 

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Not to mention the single biggest downloading of Federally funded programs to Provincial responsibility in the history of Canada.
That's how the Chrétien Liberals "Stabilized" the economy.

What does that say about a Government, that during one of the biggest economic growth periods of the later half of the 20th Century, the only way they could stabilize things was to download hundreds of billions onto the heads of the provinces. And act that pretty much broke Newfoundland, and most provinces are still dealing with to this day.
The same way Harris's Conservatives "stabilized" the Ontario economy, by downloading provincial programs and infrastructure to municipalities without funding mechanisms to keep them going. Pretty much broke Toronto back then, and the various Fords and Torys since haven't made it any better.
 

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The same way Harris's Conservatives "stabilized" the Ontario economy, by downloading provincial programs and infrastructure to municipalities without funding mechanisms to keep them going. Pretty much broke Toronto back then, and the various Fords and Torys since haven't made it any better.
And the same way Ford is trying the same tricks.
One of the reasons he's in hiding right now.
 

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And the same way Ford is trying the same tricks.
One of the reasons he's in hiding right now.
Ford doesn’t hide...he conquers. No tricks.
Everything is going according to plan. Let him do what’s required without throwing up roadblocks at every step.
Deep down you know we are in good hands.

On a related note, what’s the costume JT was wearing when he had blackface and an Afro wig on? He can’t seem to provide an answer to that question no matter how many times he has been asked.
Perhaps you can park your hypocrisy for a moment and answer on his behalf?
 

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You don't think the world economic downturn during Harper's time had anything to do with it?
re GST...why promise you will get rid of it and then do nothing? Because that's how Liberals get elected. Like Wynne and her stretch goals.
All leaders go on a fairwell tour. Let's see what costumes JT will wear on his tour.

btw Has JT yet answered the question about what costume he was wearing that had him in an afro wig, banana tshirt, blackface and dancing like a monkey?
The GST was introduced by a party that promises to reduce, and not increase taxes.... called the Conservative party. So you then blame the Liberals for not scrapping it??

Harper clearly stated that there was no recession even though all the evidence pointed to Canada plunging into it. All he then did was give big tax breaks to the big Corporations and the Elitists.

In 1994-95, the federal deficit was 4.7 per cent of GDP. By 1997-98 the deficit had been eliminated and the federal government ran surpluses for the next nine years. The federal debt was actually reduced by $90 billion; the debt burden fell from 66.6 per cent in 1994-95 to 31.4 per cent in 2006-07.

How does this compare to the Harper government’s fiscal record? In 2006-07, the Conservatives inherited a surplus of $13.8 billion — which they turned into a deficit of $5.8 billion within two years.

Since then, they have been in deficit each and every year. In 2009-10, the deficit reached its peak of 3.5 per cent of GDP. They are desperate now to show a surplus in 2015-16 — one surplus in nine years. Since Harper was elected, the federal debt has increased by over $150 billion, wiping out the reduction in federal debt achieved under Chretien and Martin. Not much to boast about there.

Joe Oliver has announced that the government will introduce balanced budget legislation. But legislation won’t keep a government out of the red if it lacks the political will to do so.

What about the government’s commitment to economic growth and job creation? Who hasn’t heard about the 1.2 million jobs created since “the depths of the recession”? Again — time for a reality check.

The figure — 1.2 million — is correct, but almost meaningless. It certainly doesn’t describe the performance of the economy since 2006 and the labour market situation in Canada. Since 2006, economic growth has declined in every year since 2010 and averaged only 1.7 per cent per year. In the previous nine years, economic growth averaged 3.4 per cent per year. In 2014, only 120,000 new jobs were created — less than in 2013.

At the end of 2014, the unemployment rate was higher than at the end of 2008. The labour force participation rate was lower than in 2008. The employment rate (the percentage of the adult population employed) was lower than at the end of 2008. The youth unemployment rate was higher than at the end of 2008. The share of total employment made up of full-time jobs was less than in 2008 — and the quality of jobs had sunk to its lowest level in a quarter of a century.
 

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The same way Harris's Conservatives "stabilized" the Ontario economy, by downloading provincial programs and infrastructure to municipalities without funding mechanisms to keep them going. Pretty much broke Toronto back then, and the various Fords and Torys since haven't made it any better.
Yep. Was pretty much the trickle down effect from the Chrétien Liberals. And the province would be in an even worse financial position today if it hadn't been done.
 

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The GST was introduced by a party that promises to reduce, and not increase taxes.... called the Conservative party. So you then blame the Liberals for not scrapping it??

Harper clearly stated that there was no recession even though all the evidence pointed to Canada plunging into it. All he then did was give big tax breaks to the big Corporations and the Elitists.

In 1994-95, the federal deficit was 4.7 per cent of GDP. By 1997-98 the deficit had been eliminated and the federal government ran surpluses for the next nine years. The federal debt was actually reduced by $90 billion; the debt burden fell from 66.6 per cent in 1994-95 to 31.4 per cent in 2006-07.

How does this compare to the Harper government’s fiscal record? In 2006-07, the Conservatives inherited a surplus of $13.8 billion — which they turned into a deficit of $5.8 billion within two years.

Since then, they have been in deficit each and every year. In 2009-10, the deficit reached its peak of 3.5 per cent of GDP. They are desperate now to show a surplus in 2015-16 — one surplus in nine years. Since Harper was elected, the federal debt has increased by over $150 billion, wiping out the reduction in federal debt achieved under Chretien and Martin. Not much to boast about there.

Joe Oliver has announced that the government will introduce balanced budget legislation. But legislation won’t keep a government out of the red if it lacks the political will to do so.

What about the government’s commitment to economic growth and job creation? Who hasn’t heard about the 1.2 million jobs created since “the depths of the recession”? Again — time for a reality check.

The figure — 1.2 million — is correct, but almost meaningless. It certainly doesn’t describe the performance of the economy since 2006 and the labour market situation in Canada. Since 2006, economic growth has declined in every year since 2010 and averaged only 1.7 per cent per year. In the previous nine years, economic growth averaged 3.4 per cent per year. In 2014, only 120,000 new jobs were created — less than in 2013.

At the end of 2014, the unemployment rate was higher than at the end of 2008. The labour force participation rate was lower than in 2008. The employment rate (the percentage of the adult population employed) was lower than at the end of 2008. The youth unemployment rate was higher than at the end of 2008. The share of total employment made up of full-time jobs was less than in 2008 — and the quality of jobs had sunk to its lowest level in a quarter of a century.
I blame the Liberals for promising to scrap it so they gain favour at the polls and then once elected, they didn't. Ouright lie like they always do.
Your stats are skewed. A global financial crisis derailed many economies including Canada, albeit Canada did a good job of weathering the storm.
What excuse would you use for Ontario's debt growth over the past 15 years?

And let's get back on topic shall we?
What was the costume Trudeau was wearing when he had on an afro wig, blackface and a banana tshirt? Still waiting...
 

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St. Albert fire chief suspended for two weeks over blackface incident

St. Albert fire chief suspended for two weeks over blackface incident

St. Albert fire chief suspended for two weeks over blackface incident
Thu Sep 26 20:31:18 EDT 2019

EDMONTON—The City of St. Albert has suspended its fire chief for two weeks without pay over an incident of him wearing blackface at a private function three years ago, the chief confirmed Thursday.
He said he had no further comment on the incident.

Blackface is the practice of wearing dark-coloured makeup, historically to mock Black people. It’s widely acknowledged as offensive and has historical ties to slavery and the Jim Crow era in the United States.
In a Thursday news release, St. Albert’s chief administrative officer says the actions of Bernd Gretzinger, who apologized on Wednesday, were racially insensitive and not consistent with the city’s culture.
The city says it is using the incident as an opportunity to “educate staff on the importance of reflecting on their own actions, beliefs and experiences.”

On Wednesday, Star Edmonton reported that Gretzinger wore blackface at a party three years ago as part of a Lenny Kravitz costume. He apologized and said he recognizes the incident was wrong.
In a statement, St. Albert chief administrative officer Kevin Scoble said the actions were racially insensitive and says the employee has taken accountability for the mistake and is “working to make amends, which is a positive step forward.”

He said they won’t be publicly discussing the individual situation or the consequences of Gretzinger’s actions. But they did say they’re using it as an opportunity to educate staff on how to conduct themselves in order to better align with the city’s culture and values.

“Staff are further encouraged to incorporate those values into their decisions and behaviours in the workplace and when off duty,” the statement said.

Malinda S. Smith, a political scientist at the University of Alberta and one of the authors of “The Equity Myth: Racialization and Indigeneity at Canadian Universities,” said she’s not surprised to see that people who have never experienced discrimination don’t necessarily understand the significance of wearing blackface.

“For racialized people, racism has been an ordinary everyday experience. We didn’t need blackface or brownface to bring that to our attention … What it does though, it tells you how unchecked their behaviour was and how little we have done to actually grapple with the history of racism in Canada,” she said.
But she said while the issue of racism has come to the forefront of the news cycle as a result of federal Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau’s blackface scandal, the discussion has been largely superficial and performative.

“You haven’t seen (political) parties come out and say this is what an anti-racist program of action would look like,” she added. “In fact, you will see the same people who are criticizing blackface then go ahead and reproduce Indigenous peoples as mascots.”

Rather than focusing on the action of any individual, Smith would like to see the conversation shift to understanding the existence and impacts of systemic, institutional and cultural racism in Canada.
“It’s an opportunity for us to have a larger conversation about the history of racism in Canada and how its durable effects continue to reverberate in the everyday lives of Black (people) and people of colour and Indigenous peoples.”

Omar Mosleh is an Edmonton-based reporter covering inner-city issues, affordable housing and reconciliation. Follow him on Twitter: @OmarMosleh
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.the...ed-for-two-weeks-over-blackface-incident.html


As I said, these incidents are common. All the Far Right blow hards who insist that “everybody” knows wearing blackface is wrong and they themselves would “NEVER” do such a terrible thing need to sit the fuck down- you guys would be the first ones in line buying black shoe polish for your faces for a Lenny Kravitz impersonation contest.
 

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As I said, these incidents are common. All the Far Right blow hards who insist that “everybody” knows wearing blackface is wrong and they themselves would “NEVER” do such a terrible thing need to sit the fuck down- you guys would be the first ones in line buying black shoe polish for your faces for a Lenny Kravitz impersonation contest.
Correct...we wouldn't do such a thing. But our Prime Minister did...at least 3 times that we know of. And to add fuel to the fire, he has been preaching to everyone else about racism and how WE should all do better.

If you can't comprehend the difference here well all I can say is Day O!
 

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Correct...we wouldn't do such a thing. But our Prime Minister did...at least 3 times that we know of. And to add fuel to the fire, he has been preaching to everyone else about racism and how WE should all do better.

If you can't comprehend the difference here well all I can say is Day O!
Sure.

 

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I think the sad truth is that support for the Liberals and/or Trudeau is entrenched. It's not based on something rational. It's primal/emotional. As I'm sure many of us have learned in our own lives, eventually decisions made based on that kind of thinking result in disaster, and it's often only then that we can re-examine our own beliefs and try to change. The hypocrisy of Trudeau's virtue signalling set against his own (adult) behaviour is not moving the political needle. Integrity, wisdom or intelligence aren't why people voted for him in the first place.

I think that's what is happening in Canada. Canada is going have to get a lot worse (more stretches of low/no economic growth, more wage stagnation, more emptying out of the middle class, more importation of cultural feuds from around the work, more financial hopelessness for young people, higher personal debt and financial failure rates, more failure of our institutions (courts, social security, health care systems)) before voters are going to understand that good policy is always better than personally appealing politicians.

Until then, Trudeau is the "nice guy" and Scheer is the "mean guy", and too many people will vote on that basis alone.
 

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I think the sad truth is that support for the Liberals and/or Trudeau is entrenched. It's not based on something rational. It's primal/emotional. As I'm sure many of us have learned in our own lives, eventually decisions made based on that kind of thinking result in disaster, and it's often only then that we can re-examine our own beliefs and try to change. The hypocrisy of Trudeau's virtue signalling set against his own (adult) behaviour is not moving the political needle. Integrity, wisdom or intelligence aren't why people voted for him in the first place.

I think that's what is happening in Canada. Canada is going have to get a lot worse (more stretches of low/no economic growth, more wage stagnation, more emptying out of the middle class, more importation of cultural feuds from around the work, more financial hopelessness for young people, higher personal debt and financial failure rates, more failure of our institutions (courts, social security, health care systems)) before voters are going to understand that good policy is always better than personally appealing politicians.

Until then, Trudeau is the "nice guy" and Scheer is the "mean guy", and too many people will vote on that basis alone.
Nice narrative!
It appears that more and more as the election date approaches, many will vote in a way as based on how you speculated in your comments.
 

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I think the sad truth is that support for the Liberals and/or Trudeau is entrenched. It's not based on something rational. It's primal/emotional. As I'm sure many of us have learned in our own lives, eventually decisions made based on that kind of thinking result in disaster, and it's often only then that we can re-examine our own beliefs and try to change. The hypocrisy of Trudeau's virtue signalling set against his own (adult) behaviour is not moving the political needle. Integrity, wisdom or intelligence aren't why people voted for him in the first place.

I think that's what is happening in Canada. Canada is going have to get a lot worse (more stretches of low/no economic growth, more wage stagnation, more emptying out of the middle class, more importation of cultural feuds from around the work, more financial hopelessness for young people, higher personal debt and financial failure rates, more failure of our institutions (courts, social security, health care systems)) before voters are going to understand that good policy is always better than personally appealing politicians.

Until then, Trudeau is the "nice guy" and Scheer is the "mean guy", and too many people will vote on that basis alone.
But personality is important. This has been the case since the beginning of elections. The Conservatives know this and yet they still run with Scheer who's personality is as inspiring as a sweaty gym sock.
 

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I'd say it's become tribal, "Trudeau is our guy", many people will vote liberal no matter what, and the Trudeau name helps.
To them it doesn't matter that the blackface incidents exposed the real JT as nothing more than a fake and a holier-than-thou hypocrite.
I disagree with your conclusion that these pictures show us “the real” JT. The SNC Lavalin affair is far more troubling to me than these brownface pics but I’ll probably vote for Trudeau anyway because I fear seeing Scheer do to Canada what DOFO is doing to Ontario. I might vote NDP but probably not.
 

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I disagree with your conclusion that these pictures show us “the real” JT. The SNC Lavalin affair is far more troubling to me than these brownface pics but I’ll probably vote for Trudeau anyway because I fear seeing Scheer do to Canada what DOFO is doing to Ontario. I might vote NDP but probably not.
I was concerned about the SNC Lavalin affair, until it has been disclosed that companies like Siemens were accused of even far bigger bribes and corruption, then they paid their fines in Germany and The USA before continuing to perform their business as usual even in Canada. There are no rules here from withholding Government contracts that were awarded to them, here under various administrations.

Well the Broken baby Scheer, oops again "Broker" baby Scheer had no problem lying about his "Broker" qualifications in his official resumes. That is the very basic lie that you should not get away with under any circumstances. Do not know how many other falsehoods are in his closet, as he had no problem trying to question Trudeau's various skills under his resume!!
 
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