Trip to Vegas with local SP
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Yeah, it is increasingly surprising to find that there are people who have not left Ontario before. It would be an interesting experience to bring someone like this on a vacation tho.
A vacation is a getaway that both people would like to go to and see. I dont gamble and dont like the hustle and bustle of Vegas. If it is really a vacation for the SP does she get a choice as to what the locale will be? If some of you guys dont realize an upscale SP gets offers to go away on a regular basis. With much more appealing destinations then of all places, Vegas. I can get a package deal to Vegas for under $500. I can make $500 in under 2 hours of work. I would go away with a girlfriend pick up a handsome rich guy in the casino and I guarantee you I would have all my expenses paid for dinner and shows and shopping and gambling and all the sex I want for the weekend(me and a friend met a young very rich middle eastern guy last year who was very generous and all three of us had a blast). There are a lot of very rich and generous guys in Vegas. They are a dime a dozen.
BTW Sorely- the SP did not say 'he done good ', Shack said that.
P.S.- Most SP's that I know find these 'vacations' with clients very emotionally draining. I have been on a few and would rather have seen 5 appointments per day on my turf, then be on all day and night for 1 client no matter how nice he is or how much I liked him as a client. It is a lot of work. As a lot of people will attest to, vacationing with friends or family can be difficult and emotionally draining as well. When I am on vacation I dont care what I look like, if I want to wear sweats and no make up i do. I have sex when i want with who I want. I stay out late partying or sleep in all day. It is not my choice to do these things when someone is paying me to be with them. Everyone I know goes on vacation to get away from work. If you are going with a client that is bringing work on your vacation, hence no longer a vacation.
BTW Sorely- the SP did not say 'he done good ', Shack said that.
P.S.- Most SP's that I know find these 'vacations' with clients very emotionally draining. I have been on a few and would rather have seen 5 appointments per day on my turf, then be on all day and night for 1 client no matter how nice he is or how much I liked him as a client. It is a lot of work. As a lot of people will attest to, vacationing with friends or family can be difficult and emotionally draining as well. When I am on vacation I dont care what I look like, if I want to wear sweats and no make up i do. I have sex when i want with who I want. I stay out late partying or sleep in all day. It is not my choice to do these things when someone is paying me to be with them. Everyone I know goes on vacation to get away from work. If you are going with a client that is bringing work on your vacation, hence no longer a vacation.
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Re: Ice Dog
I am 24 years old. When you were 24years old were you interested in the same things your 48 year old parents were? When you were 24 would you not rather vacation with your peers than someone almost twice your age? Common sense right. At the end of the day a vacation is usally only as good as the company you are with, and if you have similar interests. I am at a different stage of life then most of my clients. And therefore have a lot different interests then them. What may interest them probably has no interest to me.
P.S.- Yes you are probably correct most SP's would love to travel with a rich generous man. An exotic locale such as Europe or Hawaii, on a boat sailing down the French rivera.
Not some arrogant cheapskate who will try to get the most out of us for the least amount of money, who thinks that as an SP's we should feel 'priveledged' that he as a client has asked us to go away with them to cheesy Las Vegas, of all places. PLEASE!
An avaerage SP can make between 2K-10K+ in a week. I have travelled to over 20+ different countries on all the continents of the globe. The fact is I can afford my own vacations, thank you very much. I could even afford to take Willywants if he still wants to go away with me ;-)
I am 24 years old. When you were 24years old were you interested in the same things your 48 year old parents were? When you were 24 would you not rather vacation with your peers than someone almost twice your age? Common sense right. At the end of the day a vacation is usally only as good as the company you are with, and if you have similar interests. I am at a different stage of life then most of my clients. And therefore have a lot different interests then them. What may interest them probably has no interest to me.
P.S.- Yes you are probably correct most SP's would love to travel with a rich generous man. An exotic locale such as Europe or Hawaii, on a boat sailing down the French rivera.
Not some arrogant cheapskate who will try to get the most out of us for the least amount of money, who thinks that as an SP's we should feel 'priveledged' that he as a client has asked us to go away with them to cheesy Las Vegas, of all places. PLEASE!
An avaerage SP can make between 2K-10K+ in a week. I have travelled to over 20+ different countries on all the continents of the globe. The fact is I can afford my own vacations, thank you very much. I could even afford to take Willywants if he still wants to go away with me ;-)
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I just got home from work and can see there has been some activity here.
To A1 provider, as to the issues you raised.
1) Fee: Believe me, the lady would be far from destitute if she were to work 5 days a week for 50 weeks at the rate she was paid. Seeing as it is tax-free, it works out to approx. 2-3X what I earn. As Sheik mentioned, it was a negotiation. If she didn't feel comfortable, nobody was forcing her to go. She looked at it as an opportunity for a hopefully exciting adventure with somebody whose company she enjoyed and who she trusted would take good care of her physical well-being. I guess she felt that being in my company was more like being with a friend than actual work.
She told me that she had backed out of a previous similar arrangement at the last minute because she decided that she wasn't going to feel comfortable with this client and he was going to pay her more than double of what we agreed upon.
I was just being up front with her as to what I could afford. If she could see her way through that, fine, if not, that was also fine. It was her choice. I am not a great negotiator. I started out with what I felt was fair. As it was, I paid a little more than I did feel comfortable with, but I saw this as an opportunity for an exciting weekend for myself as well and so I compromised as did she.
As it turned out, we both enjoyed ourselves immensely. We were together 24/7, not because I demanded anything like that, but because we sincerely liked being with eachother and we were having fun, period. She told me several times that she had the best time of her life and she called me after we got home to thank me again for the weekend. She had a good time. I had a good time. Neither of us had any regrets, so what's the problem?
2) Escorts as Creatures: Please pardon my choice of words. I guess it's just the way I turn a phrase. But as you do not know me (at least I don't think you do) I am greatly offended at your puny attempt at trying to analyse me or how I treat any woman, escort or otherwise. I have seen many, many ladies over the last few years and have never had even 1 imply, let alone say outright that I have treated them with anything but the utmost respect. In fact, I have had several remark to me the exact opposite, that they were impressed with the consideration I showed them as a human being as opposed to their average client.
Try reading my previous posts and show me where I say anything denigrating about women. Many of them talk about how I try to go out of my way to make them feel comfortable and appreciated. Most ladies have returned for several visits and I don't kid myself into believing that it is due to my sexual prowess or physical attributes. I'm just a likeable fellow who treats others as I wish to be treated. I may have had an unkind comment of only 1 lady as to her comportment as she betrayed something I told her in supposed confidence.
I could try to do the same thing with you. I could say,"You must really hate your job and hate men and that it is very distasteful work for you because you won't do it unless you are able to get top dollar out of every encounter. No exceptions, even if it's with a nice guy who you trust and feel would treat you well and show you a good time. You are even willing to call up the lady in question and excoriate her for having the audacity to not squeeze every penny out of me. Maybe you are so insecure in your situation that it frightens you that because another lady was willing to take less than the going rate, you are afraid you might not be able to continue to command the same rates you do now. Other hobbyists might see they don't have to pay you as much."
It's not hard to play that game, and it may be your style, but it's not mine. I don't know you, so I won't psychoanalyse you based on a word here or a word there. I was so upset when I read what you said about me, because you could not be more wrong, I was shaking. It's hard to take anything you may say seriously when character assessments are given so frivolously.
As I said, I'm happy, she's happy. Why should anyone else care? This was not a review of the lady, but an account of how things transpired and all I was hoping to do was share our good time in the hopes others may have similar experiences if the opportunity arises. Maybe it is a bit of bragging, but it's bragging for both of us because it worked out. You will obviously only do it if you feel comfortable in the arrangements you make and with the person you want to make them with. No one has the right to put you down for a choice you make of your own free will with your eyes open and no regrets when it's all said and done.
To A1 provider, as to the issues you raised.
1) Fee: Believe me, the lady would be far from destitute if she were to work 5 days a week for 50 weeks at the rate she was paid. Seeing as it is tax-free, it works out to approx. 2-3X what I earn. As Sheik mentioned, it was a negotiation. If she didn't feel comfortable, nobody was forcing her to go. She looked at it as an opportunity for a hopefully exciting adventure with somebody whose company she enjoyed and who she trusted would take good care of her physical well-being. I guess she felt that being in my company was more like being with a friend than actual work.
She told me that she had backed out of a previous similar arrangement at the last minute because she decided that she wasn't going to feel comfortable with this client and he was going to pay her more than double of what we agreed upon.
I was just being up front with her as to what I could afford. If she could see her way through that, fine, if not, that was also fine. It was her choice. I am not a great negotiator. I started out with what I felt was fair. As it was, I paid a little more than I did feel comfortable with, but I saw this as an opportunity for an exciting weekend for myself as well and so I compromised as did she.
As it turned out, we both enjoyed ourselves immensely. We were together 24/7, not because I demanded anything like that, but because we sincerely liked being with eachother and we were having fun, period. She told me several times that she had the best time of her life and she called me after we got home to thank me again for the weekend. She had a good time. I had a good time. Neither of us had any regrets, so what's the problem?
2) Escorts as Creatures: Please pardon my choice of words. I guess it's just the way I turn a phrase. But as you do not know me (at least I don't think you do) I am greatly offended at your puny attempt at trying to analyse me or how I treat any woman, escort or otherwise. I have seen many, many ladies over the last few years and have never had even 1 imply, let alone say outright that I have treated them with anything but the utmost respect. In fact, I have had several remark to me the exact opposite, that they were impressed with the consideration I showed them as a human being as opposed to their average client.
Try reading my previous posts and show me where I say anything denigrating about women. Many of them talk about how I try to go out of my way to make them feel comfortable and appreciated. Most ladies have returned for several visits and I don't kid myself into believing that it is due to my sexual prowess or physical attributes. I'm just a likeable fellow who treats others as I wish to be treated. I may have had an unkind comment of only 1 lady as to her comportment as she betrayed something I told her in supposed confidence.
I could try to do the same thing with you. I could say,"You must really hate your job and hate men and that it is very distasteful work for you because you won't do it unless you are able to get top dollar out of every encounter. No exceptions, even if it's with a nice guy who you trust and feel would treat you well and show you a good time. You are even willing to call up the lady in question and excoriate her for having the audacity to not squeeze every penny out of me. Maybe you are so insecure in your situation that it frightens you that because another lady was willing to take less than the going rate, you are afraid you might not be able to continue to command the same rates you do now. Other hobbyists might see they don't have to pay you as much."
It's not hard to play that game, and it may be your style, but it's not mine. I don't know you, so I won't psychoanalyse you based on a word here or a word there. I was so upset when I read what you said about me, because you could not be more wrong, I was shaking. It's hard to take anything you may say seriously when character assessments are given so frivolously.
As I said, I'm happy, she's happy. Why should anyone else care? This was not a review of the lady, but an account of how things transpired and all I was hoping to do was share our good time in the hopes others may have similar experiences if the opportunity arises. Maybe it is a bit of bragging, but it's bragging for both of us because it worked out. You will obviously only do it if you feel comfortable in the arrangements you make and with the person you want to make them with. No one has the right to put you down for a choice you make of your own free will with your eyes open and no regrets when it's all said and done.
Re: Re: Ice Dog
P.S. I tried to do you a favour A1 by not repeating your second paragraph. You sound pretty pompous there and you probably are better off travelling alone. I can't believe that I stooped to your level but I couldn't resist. Hurt me, hurt me.
That was an interesting point, as I too had some concern as to how we were going to spend the vast majority of the time as I did not intend to spend it all in the bedroom. For the record I am more than twice her age (2.33333 times for you stats freaks) and if we did not have common interests, the trip would have been a bust no matter how good the sex would be, and face it, the sex wouldn't have been good if we didn't get along the rest of the time. Again, things worked out for the best for us in that regard.A1Provider said:
P.S. I tried to do you a favour A1 by not repeating your second paragraph. You sound pretty pompous there and you probably are better off travelling alone. I can't believe that I stooped to your level but I couldn't resist. Hurt me, hurt me.
Re:Shack
I was very angered at your comment saying 'that it was nice to know that not every escort is not a cold, hard money-grubbing woman. So just because her rate is too high for YOU she is cold, hard and money grubbing? No she has decided on a rate for her undivided attention to be given to you for a full day. What gives you the right to try to bargain her down or judge her as cold hard and money-grubbing if she refuses to reduce her rates for you? My daily rate is $1500-2000/US a day and yes I do get it. But I have had a few regular clients who asked me to go away to the USA with them when they go on business trips, get offended when I told them my daily rate, and think I should just be flattered that they would ask and invite me. WTF just because I supply a GFE I am not your girlfriend this is still a business of sex for pay and not a dating service, which some men seem to forget. At the end of the day if $$$ was not involved I would not be meeting with you and if sex was not involved then you would not be meeting with me. No matter how nice we both may be to each other. Lets call a spade a spade guys.
I was very angered at your comment saying 'that it was nice to know that not every escort is not a cold, hard money-grubbing woman. So just because her rate is too high for YOU she is cold, hard and money grubbing? No she has decided on a rate for her undivided attention to be given to you for a full day. What gives you the right to try to bargain her down or judge her as cold hard and money-grubbing if she refuses to reduce her rates for you? My daily rate is $1500-2000/US a day and yes I do get it. But I have had a few regular clients who asked me to go away to the USA with them when they go on business trips, get offended when I told them my daily rate, and think I should just be flattered that they would ask and invite me. WTF just because I supply a GFE I am not your girlfriend this is still a business of sex for pay and not a dating service, which some men seem to forget. At the end of the day if $$$ was not involved I would not be meeting with you and if sex was not involved then you would not be meeting with me. No matter how nice we both may be to each other. Lets call a spade a spade guys.
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As I said in my original post, I did not intend to imply that any of the women I had met were money grubbers. I will not speak either way of any that I have not met. However, as others have also pointed out, with some of the rates being so high, the perception may be that there are money-grubbers out there. I was pointing out that my lady was not one.
Anyway, I don't like arguing. It was intended as a harmless post telling about how two people involved in this aspect of life had a good time. Nobody felt cheated. Exactly the opposite. We both enjoyed ourselves more than either of us had hoped for. Why am I getting raked over the coals?
Anyway, I don't like arguing. It was intended as a harmless post telling about how two people involved in this aspect of life had a good time. Nobody felt cheated. Exactly the opposite. We both enjoyed ourselves more than either of us had hoped for. Why am I getting raked over the coals?
Re:Shack
It is not the fact that you went away on a wonderful bargain trip with a much younger, naive, SP who has not even been on an airplane or left the province in her life, therefore with probably very little life experience. You should be proud of yourself.
You would not believe how many PMs I have recieved from other SP's about your posts that you sounded like you percieve yourself to be some kind of Richard Geere from the movie 'Pretty Woman', or as one person said a white knight who helped to enlighten and showed this young, naive and inexperienced girl a wonderful time.
It is not the fact that you went away on a wonderful bargain trip with a much younger, naive, SP who has not even been on an airplane or left the province in her life, therefore with probably very little life experience. You should be proud of yourself.
You would not believe how many PMs I have recieved from other SP's about your posts that you sounded like you percieve yourself to be some kind of Richard Geere from the movie 'Pretty Woman', or as one person said a white knight who helped to enlighten and showed this young, naive and inexperienced girl a wonderful time.
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wild
See what happens when we go beyond conversation about daty and bbbj? lol
A1 Im sure is a real pro. Shes right its a business sex for money not a dating service. Some clients actually want more and need more because they dont want to give into the societal stereotype that its dehumanizing to women etc. I know Im guilty of this one wanting to be a bfe for the lady of the evening. Some clients feel its important that there be a level of respect and appreciation and at least a cursory friendship exist. Hopefully some sps feel the same way toward the clients otherwise it must just suck to exist in your chosen field.
Isnt it great to learn the truth, that sometimes escorts actually do escort someone somewhere.
Again great post shack.
See what happens when we go beyond conversation about daty and bbbj? lol
A1 Im sure is a real pro. Shes right its a business sex for money not a dating service. Some clients actually want more and need more because they dont want to give into the societal stereotype that its dehumanizing to women etc. I know Im guilty of this one wanting to be a bfe for the lady of the evening. Some clients feel its important that there be a level of respect and appreciation and at least a cursory friendship exist. Hopefully some sps feel the same way toward the clients otherwise it must just suck to exist in your chosen field.
Isnt it great to learn the truth, that sometimes escorts actually do escort someone somewhere.
Again great post shack.
Thanks for the words of support here as well as the PM's I've gotten. It seems like some people, for whatever reason, have a jaded view of the escort scene and have trouble dealing with the fact that others can enjoy themselves on a more esoteric level instead of just a straight up business deal.
I have a rather clever insult that I was dying to use, but it's not worth perpetuating the mudslinging. I think just the tone of the different posters' comments speaks volumes about the kind of person they really are.
I have a rather clever insult that I was dying to use, but it's not worth perpetuating the mudslinging. I think just the tone of the different posters' comments speaks volumes about the kind of person they really are.
Re: Re: Ice Dog
Of course, we know how much tax an average Sp declare.
Guess there are lots of rich women around. Who says females belong to the weaker sex? Why so many women still complain about discrimination ?
An average professional makes $1200-$2000/week, before tax.A1Provider said:
Of course, we know how much tax an average Sp declare.
Guess there are lots of rich women around. Who says females belong to the weaker sex? Why so many women still complain about discrimination ?
ctap2- I would not take you to Vegas for you first trip out of the province, I am more creative than that LOL. I would take you to some really nice places like the beautiful and romantic destination that my favourite poster Willywants mentioned earlier in this thread. Those are what I call vacations. I hope you are not to close to my age as I generally get along better with men much more mature than myself .
ice-dog- You made some assumptions about we do and dont do, and what taxes we pay and dont pay. Assumptions are easy to make but rarely correct. Before I entered this biz I thought all clients would be perverted dirty old ugly men, who just wanted to be pleased and were horrible in bed and could never get a woman. I was wrong most were the handsome, attached, professional business man type who wanted to please me often times more than they wanted to be pleased, and are usually good in bed.
Shack-"It seems like some people have a more jaded view of the escort scene and have trouble dealing with the fact that others can enjoy themselves on a more 'esoteric' level instead of a straight up business deal." LOL that was a real funny comment. Shack it seems like you have a fantasy unrealistic view of the escort scene, confusing SPs with girls in a dating service. News Alert..............THIS IS A BUSINESS DEAL!!! Just in case you dont understand that fact. So many guys complain if an SP is an 'unrealiable creature' as you stated, or not treating this like a biz or professional enough. But the minute she is business like when it comes to finances she is judged as being greedy? Make up your minds! Just because I feel that way does not mean I am hard, cold or money-grubbing. I am an intelligent smart business woman who wants to make the most money , so I can invest and reach my financial goals ASAP, because I cant and dont plan to be in this biz for decades. This biz does not allow that. I have been highly reviewed here on Terb and no one has ever said I was cold or hard( ok maybe just my body LOL) in a session, a matter a fact just the opposite that I enjoy myself and am warm and friendly and easy to talk to. Go figure I like money and sex too, but who does not.
It just pisses me off when a regular client that I have known for a while and provided a GFE+ , and there is a higher level of trust and closeness automatically thinks that ,that entitles them to cheap getaways or huge discounts. And if you refuse they try to use the guilt trip of 'arent we friends'? I have a close relationship with my hairdresser of 4 years, he knows everything about me. But never in my life would I 'expect' or even 'insult' him and ask for a reduced rate, I would feel 'embarrassed' to even ask because I ' respect and like' him and 'value' the A+service he has provided me with over the years. I realize that just because we are 'friends', this does not entitle me to discounts.He does not do this for charity ,it is a business, and maturity and common sense tells me that he has to make a living and has financial responsibilities. This does not make him a greedy, money grubbing, hard person. A matter a fact he gets presents and treats on B-days and X-mas and a good tip each time. Because I truly 'appreciate' and 'value' and 'respect him' and his 'service'!!!!
P.S. I will be starting a thread in the Lounge area about an issue that dozens of SP's have mentioned to me . The fact that a lot of us have noticed that a lot of men and hobbyists become insecure and threatened and turned off , when they learn a SP is financially secure and cultured , not naive but street smart and independent, well travelled and very educated and intelligent . You should see the shocked, almost angry, look on some guys faces or hear their comments when I have mentioned where I have travelled to, the different languages I know , my area of study in university, what I own and my investments and the freedom this biz gives me. Some have even implied that I am lying. I guess I dont fit their stereotype that all SPs are drug addicted , pimp owned, dumb, uneducated, classless people, who are in need of a man to save them and enlighten them . I guess to some a woman with a brain and an opinion is not sexy. Almost as if they feel threatened that a SP could be at their level or beyond. I wonder if it is a male ego , power and control issue? Curious why this is in the year 2002?
ice-dog- You made some assumptions about we do and dont do, and what taxes we pay and dont pay. Assumptions are easy to make but rarely correct. Before I entered this biz I thought all clients would be perverted dirty old ugly men, who just wanted to be pleased and were horrible in bed and could never get a woman. I was wrong most were the handsome, attached, professional business man type who wanted to please me often times more than they wanted to be pleased, and are usually good in bed.
Shack-"It seems like some people have a more jaded view of the escort scene and have trouble dealing with the fact that others can enjoy themselves on a more 'esoteric' level instead of a straight up business deal." LOL that was a real funny comment. Shack it seems like you have a fantasy unrealistic view of the escort scene, confusing SPs with girls in a dating service. News Alert..............THIS IS A BUSINESS DEAL!!! Just in case you dont understand that fact. So many guys complain if an SP is an 'unrealiable creature' as you stated, or not treating this like a biz or professional enough. But the minute she is business like when it comes to finances she is judged as being greedy? Make up your minds! Just because I feel that way does not mean I am hard, cold or money-grubbing. I am an intelligent smart business woman who wants to make the most money , so I can invest and reach my financial goals ASAP, because I cant and dont plan to be in this biz for decades. This biz does not allow that. I have been highly reviewed here on Terb and no one has ever said I was cold or hard( ok maybe just my body LOL) in a session, a matter a fact just the opposite that I enjoy myself and am warm and friendly and easy to talk to. Go figure I like money and sex too, but who does not.
It just pisses me off when a regular client that I have known for a while and provided a GFE+ , and there is a higher level of trust and closeness automatically thinks that ,that entitles them to cheap getaways or huge discounts. And if you refuse they try to use the guilt trip of 'arent we friends'? I have a close relationship with my hairdresser of 4 years, he knows everything about me. But never in my life would I 'expect' or even 'insult' him and ask for a reduced rate, I would feel 'embarrassed' to even ask because I ' respect and like' him and 'value' the A+service he has provided me with over the years. I realize that just because we are 'friends', this does not entitle me to discounts.He does not do this for charity ,it is a business, and maturity and common sense tells me that he has to make a living and has financial responsibilities. This does not make him a greedy, money grubbing, hard person. A matter a fact he gets presents and treats on B-days and X-mas and a good tip each time. Because I truly 'appreciate' and 'value' and 'respect him' and his 'service'!!!!
P.S. I will be starting a thread in the Lounge area about an issue that dozens of SP's have mentioned to me . The fact that a lot of us have noticed that a lot of men and hobbyists become insecure and threatened and turned off , when they learn a SP is financially secure and cultured , not naive but street smart and independent, well travelled and very educated and intelligent . You should see the shocked, almost angry, look on some guys faces or hear their comments when I have mentioned where I have travelled to, the different languages I know , my area of study in university, what I own and my investments and the freedom this biz gives me. Some have even implied that I am lying. I guess I dont fit their stereotype that all SPs are drug addicted , pimp owned, dumb, uneducated, classless people, who are in need of a man to save them and enlighten them . I guess to some a woman with a brain and an opinion is not sexy. Almost as if they feel threatened that a SP could be at their level or beyond. I wonder if it is a male ego , power and control issue? Curious why this is in the year 2002?
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