Trip to Vegas with local SP
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Sorely,
I think a more accurate question is:
"If you asked your hairdresser to shut down his/her business and accompany you on a trip (business, vacation or otherwise) so you could receive the benefit of the exlusive use of his/her services would you expect him/her to do this for you gratis or at some substantial discount? Would you expect him/her to accept a loss when, in fact, they would be incurring the inconvenience of shutting down their business, re-organizing their schedule and having to appease other regular clients who might be annoyed that they were going to be unavailable?"
BTW - In a business relationship airfare, accomodations and meals (first class or otherwise) do not fall under the category of compensation, they fall under the category of expenses or per diem.
Notwithstanding previous comments in this thread if an employee is asked or directed to travel for business purposes reputable companies pay the person's full wage while they are on that trip. Regarding the analogy to other professionals - yes some lawyers fees might be negotiable but try calling Jonny Cochrane or Eddie Greenspan and bargaining them down and see how far you get.
A1's point is simple - leveraging a relatively inexperienced escort is nothing to brag about and certainly should not be used as evidence to support the theroy that escorts can be negotiated with. Apparently some inexperienced escorts can be bargained with but if you use this experience as a basis for attempting to bargain with an established, independent escort you will likely only succeed in pissing her off.
I think a more accurate question is:
"If you asked your hairdresser to shut down his/her business and accompany you on a trip (business, vacation or otherwise) so you could receive the benefit of the exlusive use of his/her services would you expect him/her to do this for you gratis or at some substantial discount? Would you expect him/her to accept a loss when, in fact, they would be incurring the inconvenience of shutting down their business, re-organizing their schedule and having to appease other regular clients who might be annoyed that they were going to be unavailable?"
BTW - In a business relationship airfare, accomodations and meals (first class or otherwise) do not fall under the category of compensation, they fall under the category of expenses or per diem.
Notwithstanding previous comments in this thread if an employee is asked or directed to travel for business purposes reputable companies pay the person's full wage while they are on that trip. Regarding the analogy to other professionals - yes some lawyers fees might be negotiable but try calling Jonny Cochrane or Eddie Greenspan and bargaining them down and see how far you get.
A1's point is simple - leveraging a relatively inexperienced escort is nothing to brag about and certainly should not be used as evidence to support the theroy that escorts can be negotiated with. Apparently some inexperienced escorts can be bargained with but if you use this experience as a basis for attempting to bargain with an established, independent escort you will likely only succeed in pissing her off.
W
Willywants
If I Was An SP.....
.....I'd want him to at least shave the pubes or neatly curl what I want to keep! This, of course, would depend on him being gay!
In my opinion:
The topic of discussion is quite subjective,
When travelling with an SP is the objective!
Regardless of whose chosen when being selective,
How much, who and where is the SP's elective!
Had to wax poetic on this one guys!
It was starting to get tedious!
Think I'll start packing for my paid trip with A1!
Willywants (to go and do whatever she wants! Damn! I'm submissive in the face of beauty!)
.....I'd want him to at least shave the pubes or neatly curl what I want to keep! This, of course, would depend on him being gay!
In my opinion:
The topic of discussion is quite subjective,
When travelling with an SP is the objective!
Regardless of whose chosen when being selective,
How much, who and where is the SP's elective!
Had to wax poetic on this one guys!
It was starting to get tedious!
Think I'll start packing for my paid trip with A1!
Willywants (to go and do whatever she wants! Damn! I'm submissive in the face of beauty!)
in defense of shack
I don't presume to speak for shack but I have been in his shoes.
He offered a girl what he could afford, she accepted. For this he should be stoned? What? He should have made her show him an MBA certificate? Or maybe he should have made her get her Moma's ok on the rate?
Is a girl naïve or inexperienced if she accepts a rate some of you would consider a real bargan?
Jeez, lighten up. (And try not to sound so threatened, it makes your motivation suspect.)
I don't care for the tone of this thread and I know that this post is not going to improve it. But I've taken it long enough. I had to have my say.
Bob
I don't presume to speak for shack but I have been in his shoes.
He offered a girl what he could afford, she accepted. For this he should be stoned? What? He should have made her show him an MBA certificate? Or maybe he should have made her get her Moma's ok on the rate?
Is a girl naïve or inexperienced if she accepts a rate some of you would consider a real bargan?
Jeez, lighten up. (And try not to sound so threatened, it makes your motivation suspect.)
I don't care for the tone of this thread and I know that this post is not going to improve it. But I've taken it long enough. I had to have my say.
Bob
Bob,
I do not presume to speak for A1 but I did not get the impression she was "stoning" him for negotiating with his companion, although it is clear she is not a big fan of the process. It seems to me it was his implication that escorts who refuse to negotiate are "cold and money grubbing" that really angered her (rightly so IMO).
In A1's books a non-negotiation policy is merely a professional way of conducting business - it does not speak to an escort's character one way or the other.
Those who think an escort owes them a discount or who think a professional escort will fall over at the offer of a vacation seem to grossly overestimate their relationship with the escort and underestimate the sophistication and wherewithal of the escort.
IMO, those who seek to "teach" or "educate" naive, young, inexperienced women in the ways of the world have their own issues. It is no great secret that sex and power go hand in hand with one another. If you are only truly comfortable in an intimate relationship with someone with far less education, experience and financial resources than yourself what does that say about you? That you are a true altruist....maybe. That you have real control and self-confidence issues...likely.
I am not a psych major but I would love to hear their opinions.
I do not presume to speak for A1 but I did not get the impression she was "stoning" him for negotiating with his companion, although it is clear she is not a big fan of the process. It seems to me it was his implication that escorts who refuse to negotiate are "cold and money grubbing" that really angered her (rightly so IMO).
In A1's books a non-negotiation policy is merely a professional way of conducting business - it does not speak to an escort's character one way or the other.
Those who think an escort owes them a discount or who think a professional escort will fall over at the offer of a vacation seem to grossly overestimate their relationship with the escort and underestimate the sophistication and wherewithal of the escort.
IMO, those who seek to "teach" or "educate" naive, young, inexperienced women in the ways of the world have their own issues. It is no great secret that sex and power go hand in hand with one another. If you are only truly comfortable in an intimate relationship with someone with far less education, experience and financial resources than yourself what does that say about you? That you are a true altruist....maybe. That you have real control and self-confidence issues...likely.
I am not a psych major but I would love to hear their opinions.
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Colt;
That would be something for prior discussion and agreement.
I would be willing to compensate the hairdresser for doing my hair , just as I would be willing to compensate the sp for doing my other parts.
I wouldn't contemplate paying either of them for their downtime. If they don't want to spend time with me at my place , then don't come.
I hope that I never have to pay for friendship. Sexual acts are another thing. There is a price for a commodity, depending on how badly you want it and how good it is.
Also,I wouldn't want to be stuck with someone I didn't know especially well, for an extended time. Vegas and virtually all other locations provide lots of part time talent ( that you can get rid of when your rocks are polished).
To be honest, I'd rather take my girlfriend, who I enjoy spending travel time with.
Leave the sp's in TO for the stress f**ks during the work week. It's a lot cheaper and more satisfying.
That would be something for prior discussion and agreement.
I would be willing to compensate the hairdresser for doing my hair , just as I would be willing to compensate the sp for doing my other parts.
I wouldn't contemplate paying either of them for their downtime. If they don't want to spend time with me at my place , then don't come.
I hope that I never have to pay for friendship. Sexual acts are another thing. There is a price for a commodity, depending on how badly you want it and how good it is.
Also,I wouldn't want to be stuck with someone I didn't know especially well, for an extended time. Vegas and virtually all other locations provide lots of part time talent ( that you can get rid of when your rocks are polished).
To be honest, I'd rather take my girlfriend, who I enjoy spending travel time with.
Leave the sp's in TO for the stress f**ks during the work week. It's a lot cheaper and more satisfying.
Well, the only trip with an SP that I really enjoyed was somewhat the same arrangement as described in the original post.
I was a regular of an SP for almost a year and had the opportunity to go to Paris for 5 days. As she seemed interested I suggested the following terms:
- I paid for all airfare, food, hotels, tours, etc.
- She had a separate bedroom & bath (it was a suite)
- 6 hours or so of each day was her's to do with as she pleased - she was always given the option of joining me siteseeing, etc.
- I contributed $1,000 a day to her shopping activities.
The thing that made it a true success was that we made sure to talk through our expectations in advance of sealing the deal. As an example she was uncomfortable with sleeping in the same bed - no problem. I wanted at least an idea of when she was going to be out on her own and when she would be with me - no sweat.
I would STRONGLY suggest that if you are not comfortable discussing a deal like this with an SP that you should not be travelling with her anyway.
I have no idea who A1Provider is but I can't imagine getting comfortable enough with someone who had that attitude to ever consider a trip anyway.
Joebob
I was a regular of an SP for almost a year and had the opportunity to go to Paris for 5 days. As she seemed interested I suggested the following terms:
- I paid for all airfare, food, hotels, tours, etc.
- She had a separate bedroom & bath (it was a suite)
- 6 hours or so of each day was her's to do with as she pleased - she was always given the option of joining me siteseeing, etc.
- I contributed $1,000 a day to her shopping activities.
The thing that made it a true success was that we made sure to talk through our expectations in advance of sealing the deal. As an example she was uncomfortable with sleeping in the same bed - no problem. I wanted at least an idea of when she was going to be out on her own and when she would be with me - no sweat.
I would STRONGLY suggest that if you are not comfortable discussing a deal like this with an SP that you should not be travelling with her anyway.
I have no idea who A1Provider is but I can't imagine getting comfortable enough with someone who had that attitude to ever consider a trip anyway.
Joebob
Sorely,
I agree with you regarding downtime and your philosophy in travelling companions.
If i get sent on a business trip and I am regularly paid a salary based on an 8-10 hour work day, I do not expect double salary because I am out of town for 24 hours a day - obviously I am not working 24 hours a day.
I think A1 would tell you though that an escort's daily rate takes into account downtime (i.e., $1500 - $2000 only gets you 8 - 12 hours of an escort's time, if you want 24/7 service I bet you can expect to pay alot more). Therefore the argument that the escorts are not working all the time and therefore should not expect their full daily rate does not really work - their daily rate has already taken that fact into consideration.
Regarding the rate of pay an escort commands versus other professionals and why the market allows them to charge $2000/day - that is a topic we should all discuss on another thread an probably with our therapists as it is we who define the market.
I agree with you about paying for sex. To me it is the physical fulfillment that I seek and nothing more - the physical sensation is real and it is a commodity I am willing to pay for occasionally. The idea of paying for "friendship" or "companionship" does not work for me - it is artificial. Like you I would rather travel, dine, tour, etc. with someone who is genuinely comfortable (i.e., comfortable even without a $2000 retainer) than with someone I am paying - regardless of how good the relationship is.
Having said that, each to their own. For those who enjoy travelling with escorts I think it is great anytime someone finds something / someone that enhances their recreational time. Be happy. But for those contemplating such a trip, I would say to heed the words of A1 - negotiate at your own risk and if you choose to do so I would do it without a hint of entitlement and would be prepared to be dealing with one very angry woman.
My only question for you is when travelling with the gf do you have any tips to create some space and time to sample the local talent? LOL
I agree with you regarding downtime and your philosophy in travelling companions.
If i get sent on a business trip and I am regularly paid a salary based on an 8-10 hour work day, I do not expect double salary because I am out of town for 24 hours a day - obviously I am not working 24 hours a day.
I think A1 would tell you though that an escort's daily rate takes into account downtime (i.e., $1500 - $2000 only gets you 8 - 12 hours of an escort's time, if you want 24/7 service I bet you can expect to pay alot more). Therefore the argument that the escorts are not working all the time and therefore should not expect their full daily rate does not really work - their daily rate has already taken that fact into consideration.
Regarding the rate of pay an escort commands versus other professionals and why the market allows them to charge $2000/day - that is a topic we should all discuss on another thread an probably with our therapists as it is we who define the market.
I agree with you about paying for sex. To me it is the physical fulfillment that I seek and nothing more - the physical sensation is real and it is a commodity I am willing to pay for occasionally. The idea of paying for "friendship" or "companionship" does not work for me - it is artificial. Like you I would rather travel, dine, tour, etc. with someone who is genuinely comfortable (i.e., comfortable even without a $2000 retainer) than with someone I am paying - regardless of how good the relationship is.
Having said that, each to their own. For those who enjoy travelling with escorts I think it is great anytime someone finds something / someone that enhances their recreational time. Be happy. But for those contemplating such a trip, I would say to heed the words of A1 - negotiate at your own risk and if you choose to do so I would do it without a hint of entitlement and would be prepared to be dealing with one very angry woman.
My only question for you is when travelling with the gf do you have any tips to create some space and time to sample the local talent? LOL
Colt;
Your comments on "to each his or her own" are right on.
As far as finding some space when you are travelling with someone, it's been difficult.
A couple of times when I have been skiing in Quebec or at Whistler, I have arranged a "business" conference in Montreal or Vancouver. That generally works but takes more time than you may want it to.
The quickie 1-2 hour breaks are hard to arrange. Possibilities-- gf is having a nap and you went for a walk; go for a jog; go visit some tourist or sport site that the gf has no interested in, conference call or meeting at your local office. Tell her you are going out for a quick bj !!( Duck !!)
What do you think ?
Your comments on "to each his or her own" are right on.
As far as finding some space when you are travelling with someone, it's been difficult.
A couple of times when I have been skiing in Quebec or at Whistler, I have arranged a "business" conference in Montreal or Vancouver. That generally works but takes more time than you may want it to.
The quickie 1-2 hour breaks are hard to arrange. Possibilities-- gf is having a nap and you went for a walk; go for a jog; go visit some tourist or sport site that the gf has no interested in, conference call or meeting at your local office. Tell her you are going out for a quick bj !!( Duck !!)
What do you think ?
Sorely,
We are a wee bit off topic but these are my thoughts....
Honestly what I think is that I need to get my head examined - I either truly want to get caught (can you say issues) or I get as much of a rush from the sheer risk of getting caught as I get from the actual experience. So often I have walked such a thin line that I am sure there is something else going on sub-consiously.
Like you said the 1-2 hour get away is tough, what is really tough that it is hard to travel to an appointment, enjoy your time, get back to the hotel (meeting place, whatever) in under 2 hours.
Excuses I have used:
1.) going for a jog ("Honestly, I go for 2 hour jogs all the time...")
2.) while in de Haag - going to watch the International Court of Justice (hopped a train to Amsterdam for the afternoon)
3.) sports (although it can be hard to explain why you are not all sweaty)
4.) golf (is a good one, particularly because it can explain easily explain cash withdraws that show up on bank statements)
5.) in general just establish myself as not being terribly reliable - therefore when I am gone 2 hours after saying I would be back in an hour it is not anything out of the ordinary
Oh yeah, I need help....lol
We are a wee bit off topic but these are my thoughts....
Honestly what I think is that I need to get my head examined - I either truly want to get caught (can you say issues) or I get as much of a rush from the sheer risk of getting caught as I get from the actual experience. So often I have walked such a thin line that I am sure there is something else going on sub-consiously.
Like you said the 1-2 hour get away is tough, what is really tough that it is hard to travel to an appointment, enjoy your time, get back to the hotel (meeting place, whatever) in under 2 hours.
Excuses I have used:
1.) going for a jog ("Honestly, I go for 2 hour jogs all the time...")
2.) while in de Haag - going to watch the International Court of Justice (hopped a train to Amsterdam for the afternoon)
3.) sports (although it can be hard to explain why you are not all sweaty)
4.) golf (is a good one, particularly because it can explain easily explain cash withdraws that show up on bank statements)
5.) in general just establish myself as not being terribly reliable - therefore when I am gone 2 hours after saying I would be back in an hour it is not anything out of the ordinary
Oh yeah, I need help....lol
W
Willywants
On Very Rare Occassions.......
........I have actually travelled with the wife!
In Jamaica, during one of those afternoon torrential downpours, she wanted to take a nap! I told her I was off to the pool bar for a drink! I went! Got into a shooter contest with some bikinied cuties and had a blast! Also got blasted! I was invited back to one room to continue festivities with a couple of lovelies but had to pass! Too much to drink, plus the wife and I were there for our 25th!
In Miami with wife and kids, she stayed with the kids while I went to a strip bar! Had quite a chat with one of the "B" girls but didn't bite on the offer!
Took the wife to one of my favourite haunts in Halifax! Too much smoke, too much noise! She went back to the hotel to retire and I went to the casino!
There was a similar situation in Nassau!
What one really needs in these situations is the time, # one, and opportunity, # two! Cash also helps!
Getting away in the context of the get-away is no easy feat when with an S/O!
Being married and having an established pattern of periodic absences does make it easier!
It is nice to be able to ponder, "Let's see now, what will I do with the next 3 hours???"!!
Willywants (to keep the wife working and enjoy his free time!)
PS: Giving the S/O sufficient funds for some shopping also presents time and opportunity!
........I have actually travelled with the wife!
In Jamaica, during one of those afternoon torrential downpours, she wanted to take a nap! I told her I was off to the pool bar for a drink! I went! Got into a shooter contest with some bikinied cuties and had a blast! Also got blasted! I was invited back to one room to continue festivities with a couple of lovelies but had to pass! Too much to drink, plus the wife and I were there for our 25th!
In Miami with wife and kids, she stayed with the kids while I went to a strip bar! Had quite a chat with one of the "B" girls but didn't bite on the offer!
Took the wife to one of my favourite haunts in Halifax! Too much smoke, too much noise! She went back to the hotel to retire and I went to the casino!
There was a similar situation in Nassau!
What one really needs in these situations is the time, # one, and opportunity, # two! Cash also helps!
Getting away in the context of the get-away is no easy feat when with an S/O!
Being married and having an established pattern of periodic absences does make it easier!
It is nice to be able to ponder, "Let's see now, what will I do with the next 3 hours???"!!
Willywants (to keep the wife working and enjoy his free time!)
PS: Giving the S/O sufficient funds for some shopping also presents time and opportunity!
Colt,
If shack implied that A1 was "cold and money grubbing" because she does not negotiate that strikes me as pretty harsh. (But as I recall he was not throwing the first punch.) If that is the way she does business that is fine with me. (Although I do wonder how she feels when she is on the buying end of a transaction?)
But I disagree with an apparent implication in several posts that it was immoral on shack's part to offer less than the advertized going rate and/or that the girl was naïve to accept it.
And although shack may have gotten a kick out of the fact that the SP hadn't traveled before, I do not think that he was on a power trip. However he might have expressed it (he might have used the word teach or educate I don't recall), I think that it was nothing more than thinking that since she hadn't traveled before he would be doing something nice for her.
If he thought he might teach or educate the SP something about one tiny aspect of life ... well, I don't see how you can assume he has control and self-confidence issues. I know damn well that I am not a true altruist. Does that mean I have control and self-confidence issues if I do something nice for someone.
Shack, in my book you are not an evil person. Hang in there.
Bob
If shack implied that A1 was "cold and money grubbing" because she does not negotiate that strikes me as pretty harsh. (But as I recall he was not throwing the first punch.) If that is the way she does business that is fine with me. (Although I do wonder how she feels when she is on the buying end of a transaction?)
But I disagree with an apparent implication in several posts that it was immoral on shack's part to offer less than the advertized going rate and/or that the girl was naïve to accept it.
And although shack may have gotten a kick out of the fact that the SP hadn't traveled before, I do not think that he was on a power trip. However he might have expressed it (he might have used the word teach or educate I don't recall), I think that it was nothing more than thinking that since she hadn't traveled before he would be doing something nice for her.
If he thought he might teach or educate the SP something about one tiny aspect of life ... well, I don't see how you can assume he has control and self-confidence issues. I know damn well that I am not a true altruist. Does that mean I have control and self-confidence issues if I do something nice for someone.
Shack, in my book you are not an evil person. Hang in there.
Bob
My only reference to money grubbing was in my original post (BEFORE A1 came along) to say that my lady was NOT a money grubber. I never called anyone that.alliwantislove said:
As most people are able to see, my intent was simply to have a fun weekend with a young lady whose company I enjoyed, to show her a good time and treat her as a lady deserves to be treated. I think I was successful on all accounts. (I'll probably get flamed now for bragging.)
Aside from the fun of the actual activities of which we partook, I derived at least as much pleasure just from knowing that she had as good a time as I did. It's like having some guests over to your house for a party or whatever and knowing that at the end they had a good time. You feel good about it. Mind control, power trips and taking advantage of someone never entered into the equation.
I'm really trying hard to not say anything inflammatory, but who knows? I thought my original post was innocuous (sp?). Rude awakening.
If it feels good and you can afford it; do it !
What an evening to sit in the garden admiring the flowers with my gf ( my spouse as well) and a cold vodka tonic..
By the way, i saw Sammi at 50 Lockeridge earlier today and the horns have been well shaved.
Sorry for buggering up the thread.
What an evening to sit in the garden admiring the flowers with my gf ( my spouse as well) and a cold vodka tonic..
By the way, i saw Sammi at 50 Lockeridge earlier today and the horns have been well shaved.
Sorry for buggering up the thread.
Willywants- I want to thank you again for such a poetic and humourous post, that was one of your better ones. I have not laughed that hard in a long time. I hope you are packing for our trip ;-)
Colt- thank-you for further explaining and agreeing with what I was trying to express in this thread . I am a very passionate person in and out of the bedroom LOL. And yes I expressed myself in a very passionate way because this has been a very hot topic amongst a lot of escorts as of late. And a regular client of 2 years recently tried to bargain my tavel rate down to a unfairly cheap rate. And when I said no I could not afford to do that(I have financial responsibilities and would be losing money by going away with him) he was insulted and had the audacity to say, 'well I thought we were friends, cant you make an exception'?
Joebob- My 'attitude' as you call it stems from the way Shack , as I percieved it ,disrespectfully referred to some SP's as cold hard money-grubbers if they would not lower their daily rates and him stating that we were unrealiable 'creatures'. I am human being with human emotions and have the right like the men on Terb to be angry, and express my opinions too!!! It is funny that you totally dismissed my playful, humourous posts with Willywants, what does that say about my 'attitude' ? I guess people only see what they want to see. BTW- your travel trip with a SP seemed very fair and reasonable(free time, and different sleeping areas and shopping$), in comparison to shacks
The Fan- I never said I would 'never' negotiate my rates as long as it was a reasonable, fair offer ( I have done it ). It is the clients that think they are 'entitled' ( because they are a regular and we are friendly) to a unreasonable and unfair reduced rate ,that I have a problem with. And I believe that it is not going out on a limb when I said, a young person who has never left the province or 'been on a plane' is probably not very worldy or has a lot of life experience , and is probably more naive then someone with more life experience and who is twice her age.
I for one have NEVER cheated or rushed a client when he has spent his hard earned money for a session with me. I prefer to go over the time then under because I am so concerned in giving my clients their moneys worth and more.
When I first started in the biz I worked for an incal agency. I was so pissed off when the other SP's would find it funny if they could rush their client in the quickest time, I think the record of one girl was 7mins. when he paid for a hour session. I felt sorry for the client because she ripped him off and cheated him out of his time and hard earned money. I believe that is rude and disrespectful and mean! I never did that and some girls even mentioned that I spoiled my clients because I was too nice to them. And they wondered why I had such a high repeat rate. I just called it common courtesy and respect , the 'golden rule'. I would try to explain to them that, how would they feel if they went to a restaurant and were treated the way they treat their clients , they would surely have a hissy fit!!!
(I only see regular clients at the moment, I have not advertised in over a year, and as you all can see I do not post a link to my name, website, or email addy- because I dont need the extra business- I also have great reviews on Terb, so I must be doing something right when it comes to how I treat my regular clients). I do well in this business because I am professional, fair and treat my clients like kings for the time we are together. I have very strong feelings about this thread because it sounded like Shack , took advantage of the fact that she was young and probably naive ( he admitted to talking her travel rate down considerably) and therefore , as I see it partially cheated her out of HER fair worth for her time. And then bashed other SPs who would not lower their 'outlandish' rates as 'unrealiable creatures' and who were hard, cold and money grubbing. I percieved that he was almost bragging that he was able to bargain down her prices and score a bargain basement deal. And hinting to other Sps and hobbyists that they should do and expect the same.
In closing , it ANGERS me( and obviously all hobbyists, thus the valid purpose for boards such as Terb) when a SP cheats or rips off a client of his precious time and money. It is wrong and I am glad that you guys here on Terb expose those SPs tactics, because that behaviour is unacceptable.
I hope that the fair and reasonable guys here on terb are ANGERED and realize, that it is just as wrong and unacceptable, and insulting to unreasonably bargain down a sp's rate. And to feel entitled to an unfair discount because they are a regualr client, is an attempt to 'cheat' the Sp out of her valuable and precious time. Cheating works both ways guys!!!
Colt- thank-you for further explaining and agreeing with what I was trying to express in this thread . I am a very passionate person in and out of the bedroom LOL. And yes I expressed myself in a very passionate way because this has been a very hot topic amongst a lot of escorts as of late. And a regular client of 2 years recently tried to bargain my tavel rate down to a unfairly cheap rate. And when I said no I could not afford to do that(I have financial responsibilities and would be losing money by going away with him) he was insulted and had the audacity to say, 'well I thought we were friends, cant you make an exception'?
Joebob- My 'attitude' as you call it stems from the way Shack , as I percieved it ,disrespectfully referred to some SP's as cold hard money-grubbers if they would not lower their daily rates and him stating that we were unrealiable 'creatures'. I am human being with human emotions and have the right like the men on Terb to be angry, and express my opinions too!!! It is funny that you totally dismissed my playful, humourous posts with Willywants, what does that say about my 'attitude' ? I guess people only see what they want to see. BTW- your travel trip with a SP seemed very fair and reasonable(free time, and different sleeping areas and shopping$), in comparison to shacks
The Fan- I never said I would 'never' negotiate my rates as long as it was a reasonable, fair offer ( I have done it ). It is the clients that think they are 'entitled' ( because they are a regular and we are friendly) to a unreasonable and unfair reduced rate ,that I have a problem with. And I believe that it is not going out on a limb when I said, a young person who has never left the province or 'been on a plane' is probably not very worldy or has a lot of life experience , and is probably more naive then someone with more life experience and who is twice her age.
I for one have NEVER cheated or rushed a client when he has spent his hard earned money for a session with me. I prefer to go over the time then under because I am so concerned in giving my clients their moneys worth and more.
When I first started in the biz I worked for an incal agency. I was so pissed off when the other SP's would find it funny if they could rush their client in the quickest time, I think the record of one girl was 7mins. when he paid for a hour session. I felt sorry for the client because she ripped him off and cheated him out of his time and hard earned money. I believe that is rude and disrespectful and mean! I never did that and some girls even mentioned that I spoiled my clients because I was too nice to them. And they wondered why I had such a high repeat rate. I just called it common courtesy and respect , the 'golden rule'. I would try to explain to them that, how would they feel if they went to a restaurant and were treated the way they treat their clients , they would surely have a hissy fit!!!
(I only see regular clients at the moment, I have not advertised in over a year, and as you all can see I do not post a link to my name, website, or email addy- because I dont need the extra business- I also have great reviews on Terb, so I must be doing something right when it comes to how I treat my regular clients). I do well in this business because I am professional, fair and treat my clients like kings for the time we are together. I have very strong feelings about this thread because it sounded like Shack , took advantage of the fact that she was young and probably naive ( he admitted to talking her travel rate down considerably) and therefore , as I see it partially cheated her out of HER fair worth for her time. And then bashed other SPs who would not lower their 'outlandish' rates as 'unrealiable creatures' and who were hard, cold and money grubbing. I percieved that he was almost bragging that he was able to bargain down her prices and score a bargain basement deal. And hinting to other Sps and hobbyists that they should do and expect the same.
In closing , it ANGERS me( and obviously all hobbyists, thus the valid purpose for boards such as Terb) when a SP cheats or rips off a client of his precious time and money. It is wrong and I am glad that you guys here on Terb expose those SPs tactics, because that behaviour is unacceptable.
I hope that the fair and reasonable guys here on terb are ANGERED and realize, that it is just as wrong and unacceptable, and insulting to unreasonably bargain down a sp's rate. And to feel entitled to an unfair discount because they are a regualr client, is an attempt to 'cheat' the Sp out of her valuable and precious time. Cheating works both ways guys!!!
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Willywants
Desperate To Talk Travel!
No! Not a freebee or discounted run around the world!
Just travel in general!
A1, that lovely Provider who showers me with glory and, heretofore, unwarranted compliments, have you disabled your PM facility?? It appears your PM box is full!
Willy
No! Not a freebee or discounted run around the world!
Just travel in general!
A1, that lovely Provider who showers me with glory and, heretofore, unwarranted compliments, have you disabled your PM facility?? It appears your PM box is full!
Willy
My Willy , My BOX is always Empty for your WILLY
I did not realize that it was full. I will try to clear it, maybe I disabled it, I will try to see what is wrong.
I did not realize that it was full. I will try to clear it, maybe I disabled it, I will try to see what is wrong.
