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I decided to go to the Eaton's centre on the weekend haven't been in years. Shopping get something to eat few drinks.

I usually only go to Toronto for food festival like greek, Italian, whatever there normally pretty good.

I parked by harbour street walked a few km to the Eaton's centre.

I can't believe what a shithole toronto is! Bums where everywhere I must of seen hundreds of them. There sleeping on sidewalks. There drinking and doing hard drugs right in the open.

There was some guy with shitstained grey underwear (nothing else) sunbathing on the sidewalk.

The people are wierd looking down there didn't see any attractive females at all!

For restaurants I couldn't find anything decent ended up eating chipotles. Drinks where a mission to get I ended up sitting g on the street drinking beer. There no decent outside patios around that I could locate.

You go to Europe the city centre are shut down to traffic all it is restaurant, nice coffee shops, bars, cafes it's amazing.

Every building in Toronto is pretty much the same design not sure who the architect is a five year old who draws a rectangle with crayon. The city has no soul.

I wouldn't live in Toronto if you gave me a million dollar condo for free. It was that bad of a time.

The city is such a dump seems to be getting worse every year if it possible.
Big cities are always a dump.
As the population increases, everything is exemplified which can highlight all the bad.
Urbanites always believe they are at the center of the universe.

It's worth a visit once and a while for coochie - but I couldn't ever imagine myself living in Toronto.

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Toronto is much more the Eaton Centre. However due to the COVID situation, all neighbourhoods have been hit hard economically and certainly do not look their best right now.
 

james t kirk

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What makes me laugh is Yonge Street has always been seedy. Especially around that corner. For like 50+ years. I don't know how old he is or what village outside Thunder Bay he is from but he is in complete redneck territory.
I always liked Yonge Street being a bit "seedy" (Gritty is more a word I would use.) It's got a feel to it.

I am dismayed at what I see happening to my Yonge Street up towards Gerrard and also around the intersection of Bloor Street. Cool old buildings being torn down and replaced with banal condos. It's a blight. When I was a kid, my friends and I would make the trek from Hamilton and just walk up and down Yonge Street all night long. It was so full of energy and there was always something to see and an interesting store to browse through. Then there were the record stores, the working girls, the sights, the smells, The Big Slice (sadly gone a couple of years ago.)

Yonge street is being sanitized.

Save our grit.
 

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I always liked Yonge Street being a bit "seedy" (Gritty is more a word I would use.) It's got a feel to it.

I am dismayed at what I see happening to my Yonge Street up towards Gerrard and also around the intersection of Bloor Street. Cool old buildings being torn down and replaced with banal condos. It's a blight. When I was a kid, my friends and I would make the trek from Hamilton and just walk up and down Yonge Street all night long. It was so full of energy and there was always something to see and an interesting store to browse through. Then there were the record stores, the working girls, the sights, the smells, The Big Slice (sadly gone a couple of years ago.)

Yonge street is being sanitized.

Save our grit.
My understanding is there plans to take down everything between Bloor to Gerrard that is low rise. Many towers in the 50+ story range. Mix of Condo, Business Condos, and retail.

The Brass Rail and Zanzibar will go with it. And any other "gritty shops".
 

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I liked 42nd Street/Times Square in NYC when it was a bit seedy and sleazy then they "cleaned" it up and brought in Disneyland and Mickey Mouse.
 
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My understanding is there plans to take down everything between Bloor to Gerrard that is low rise. Many towers in the 50+ story range. Mix of Condo, Business Condos, and retail.

The Brass Rail and Zanzibar will go with it. And any other "gritty shops".
That’s exactly the problem with Toronto. Turning everything into condos just destroys the character of the city and also further exacerbates the problem with gentrification. I’m not into urban neighborhoods myself but I remember gallivanting in Toronto in the 90s that included trips to Captain Johns, 4Ds Diner and Honest Ed’s.

Now if you walk on Yonge Street it’s as though every other business is for lease. Unless you’re OK with living in a concrete jungle, Toronto is probably not for everyone.
 
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That’s exactly the problem with Toronto. Turning everything into condos just destroys the character of the city and also further exacerbates the problem with gentrification. I’m not into urban neighborhoods myself but I remember gallivanting in Toronto in the 90s that included trips to Captain Johns, 4Ds Diner and Honest Ed’s.

Now if you walk on Yonge Street it’s as though every other business is for lease. Unless you’re OK with living in a concrete jungle, Toronto is probably not for everyone.
I call it the "Manhattanization" of Toronto.

But the fact is as the economic hub of Canada, and now becoming a world destination as a safe spot to park money, and finally all the land built on, there is nowhere to go but up.

We are getting(minus this year due to Covid-19) about 100-150,000 new residents every year. The GTHA(and notice how Hamilton is now in the mix with everything in between) is continuing to grow.

As long as there is a market this will continue.
 
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I'm an out of towner and when I come to Toronto for anything I use the Go train. Traffic going into and out of the cit is crazy. Not to mention parking sucks and so over priced.I use the Path system any chance I can to avoid the homeless and beggars.
I enjoy visiting big cities for what they have to offer,but would never live in one.
 

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I'm an out of towner and when I come to Toronto for anything I use the Go train. Traffic going into and out of the cit is crazy. Not to mention parking sucks and so over priced.I use the Path system any chance I can to avoid the homeless and beggars.
I enjoy visiting big cities for what they have to offer,but would never live in one.
Pan Handlers are in the path too along with junkies and assorted crazies. You can't really avoid them downtown. I live downtown and love it but it isn't for everyone.
 
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I call it the "Manhattanization" of Toronto.
Having been to Manhattan many times in the past, I can say that they have wide sidewalks that are pedestrian friendly with very little clutter.

Here in Toronto we have narrow sidewalks that are full of A-frames, store merchandise, little ramps, tables, chairs, benches, flower pots, patios, etc. that reduce walkable sidewalk space.
 
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Having been to Manhattan many times in the past, I can say that they have wide sidewalks that are pedestrian friendly with very little clutter.

Here in Toronto we have narrow sidewalks that are full of A-frames, store merchandise, little ramps, tables, chairs, benches, flower pots, patios, etc. that reduce walkable sidewalk space.
I agree. Which is why when the build the condos they should increase the set back. I think they did at Yonge and Dundas already.
 
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Pan Handlers are in the path too along with junkies and assorted crazies. You can't really avoid them downtown. I live downtown and love it but it isn't for everyone.
Never come across a pan handler,junkie or assorted crazy in the path.
 

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Having been to Manhattan many times in the past, I can say that they have wide sidewalks that are pedestrian friendly with very little clutter.

Here in Toronto we have narrow sidewalks that are full of A-frames, store merchandise, little ramps, tables, chairs, benches, flower pots, patios, etc. that reduce walkable sidewalk space.
As crazy as it sounds but I always felt like there is more of a sense of community in NYC than Toronto.
 

bazokajoe

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Oh they're around trust me.
No doubt. Last year I stayed at The Sheraton on Queen Street for the Indy weekend. Used the Path every day to get to Union. Path was a ghost town. During the week maybe it's too busy and they just seem to get lost in the crowd.
 

james t kirk

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That’s exactly the problem with Toronto. Turning everything into condos just destroys the character of the city and also further exacerbates the problem with gentrification. I’m not into urban neighborhoods myself but I remember gallivanting in Toronto in the 90s that included trips to Captain Johns, 4Ds Diner and Honest Ed’s.

Now if you walk on Yonge Street it’s as though every other business is for lease. Unless you’re OK with living in a concrete jungle, Toronto is probably not for everyone.
The condos that they are building now in Toronto (and have been building since the early 90's) are soul crushing. Cold, sterile, with no architectural merit whatsoever. Just a concrete frame with glass bolted to the frame from street to roof top. Absolutely 0 street-scape (and how could you, it's just a wall of glass). Everything is built cheap cheap cheap. It reminds me of the development you see in Asia - Hong Kong (especially), China, Singapore, etc. Just a box with glass, beside another box with glass. The WORST has to be down off Spadina around SkyDome. It's just devoid of life.

If you ever go to any community meeting in Toronto (and I have) when they want to tear down a block and put up a glass box, the existing local residents go mental. And with good reason. They all know that condos in Toronto are like weeds. You get one and first thing you know, the neighbourhood that you love will be destroyed and replaced with more and more weeds. When I moved to Toronto I marveled at how I could be walking off Yonge Street, arguably THEE main street in Toronto, make a right or left onto a side street and immediately be into single family homes. Amazing. The city had a unique character in that respect. Now, the things I found incredible are being knocked down one by one by greedy developers whose only motive is to make money. More money on top of more money. Build cheap cheap cheap concrete and glass boxes, in the best neighbourhoods and charge the maximum. What KILLS me is when you go to these public meetings, these greedy developers all like to portray themselves as community saviors. As if they are coming into these downtrodden areas in the city in the name of urban renewal. Fucking liars. They seek out the coolest urban neighbourhoods because they KNOW that it's already a magnet in terms of attracting people and they want to capitalize on the existing character of the neighbourhood. Usually when they say this shit at a public meeting the whole place will erupt in a scream because everyone knows that they (the greedy developers) are full of shit. (If they were so altruistic, they would be building their boxes in brown fields, or in Rexdale, or Jane and Finch, but no, King West needs saving and they are the saviors. They will save King West alright; right into their chequing accounts!)

Now, because they know they will be called on their bullshit, the same greedy developers have figured out a new approach. (Kind like those who oppose sex work. They no longer call it sex work, they've labeled it "human trafficking" But I digress.) What the greedy developers are now saying is that they are building homes for people in Toronto because there are not enough homes available for people. That they are addressing a housing shortage and those opposed to their altruism are just self-absorbed individuals, NIMBYS who don't want to "share" with the people. (A La Margaret Atwood in her recent fight to protect the Annex.) Nothing could be a bigger load of horse shit. It's all about the money. Developers want to move into the cool old neighbourhoods in Toronto, raze them, build their blight, and pocket a SHIT LOAD of money in the process. It's just as simple as that. (And fuck the City in the process, who cares. We're going to make A LOT of money.)
 
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